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Remember what I said a couple of weeks ago, well...
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006...0060049_en.pdf "CAUSING DEATH BY DRIVING: UNLICENSED, DISQUALIFIED OR UNINSURED DRIVERS (1) In the Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52), after section 3ZA (inserted by section (Meaning of driving without due care and attention)) insert— "3ZB CAUSING DEATH BY DRIVING: UNLICENSED, DISQUALIFIED OR UNINSURED DRIVERS A person is guilty of an offence under this section if he causes the death of another person by driving a motor vehicle on a road and, at the time when he is driving, the circumstances are such that he is committing an offence under— (a) section 87(1) of this Act (driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence), (b) section 103(1)(b) of this Act (driving while disqualified), or (c) section 143 of this Act (using motor vehicle while uninsured or unsecured against third party risks)." Sorry I could not copy the act as I only have Acrotat Reader but you get the idea. Not sure if it's been given a commencement date as yet, probably not as I cant find any reference to an order but it's there. If I were big headed I would say it's 3 out of 3 to me but I know there's a lot more behind these things than the guidence meetings I have attended. Still... Seizure of uninsured vehicles Endorsement of licence for mobile phone use whilst driving Unlicenced drivers guilty of Causing Death Dangerous Driving if they...Close Ye Haaa Sniper8052 |
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Sniper8052(L96A1) wrote:
Remember what I said a couple of weeks ago, well... http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006...0060049_en.pdf Another desperate and poorly framed law specifically targeting motorists rather than specifically dangerous or reckless criminal acts. Like the kerb-crawling one mentioned in another thread. All this will result in is even more lazy prosecuting, with the less serious offences being used rather than manslaughter which is used for culpable violent deaths where motor vehicles aren't involved. If I were big headed I would say it's 3 out of 3 to me but I know there's a lot more behind these things than the guidence meetings I have attended. Still... You should be ashamed, not proud, that you cannot see the paucity of justice involved in these cop-out ideas. Seizure of uninsured vehicles There is a much easier way, and it would ensure that all collisions are actually covered by insurance. But if revenge, rather than justice, is the goal then this will do nicely. Endorsement of licence for mobile phone use whilst driving No. Missed the mark again. All the new regs give is endorsement of licence for being seen to be using a hand-held phone. It doesn't tackle the dangerous part, that of /using/ a mobile phone whilst in control of a vehicle, whether it is hand-held or hands-free. And it doesn't cover using one when in charge of other dangerous machinery or plant either!!! Another cop-out aimed at easy convictions rather than culpable actions. Unlicenced drivers guilty of Causing Death Dangerous Driving if they...Close Why the obsession with creating low-proof, easy to prosecute, offences, and only for motorists??? Ye Haaa Pathetic. -- Matt B |
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mb wrote:
On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 21:53:38 +0000, Matt B wrote: Sniper8052(L96A1) wrote: Remember what I said a couple of weeks ago, well... http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006...0060049_en.pdf Another desperate and poorly framed law specifically targeting motorists rather than specifically dangerous or reckless criminal acts. Like the kerb-crawling one mentioned in another thread. Kerb crawling is "dangerous or reckless"? You're deranged. No, it's another desperate and poorly framed law specifically targeting motorists rather than its specific criminal act. Why try to misrepresent the point??? -- Matt B |
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in message , Sniper805
(L96A1) ') wrote: Remember what I said a couple of weeks ago, well... http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006...0060049_en.pdf "CAUSING DEATH BY DRIVING: UNLICENSED, DISQUALIFIED OR UNINSURED DRIVERS (1) In the Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52), after section 3ZA (inserted by section (Meaning of driving without due care and attention)) insert— "3ZB CAUSING DEATH BY DRIVING: UNLICENSED, DISQUALIFIED OR UNINSURED DRIVERS A person is guilty of an offence under this section if he causes the death of another person by driving a motor vehicle on a road and, at the time when he is driving, the circumstances are such that he is committing an offence under— (a) section 87(1) of this Act (driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence), (b) section 103(1)(b) of this Act (driving while disqualified), or (c) section 143 of this Act (using motor vehicle while uninsured or unsecured against third party risks)." Sorry I could not copy the act as I only have Acrotat Reader but you get the idea. Not sure if it's been given a commencement date as yet, probably not as I cant find any reference to an order but it's there. If I were big headed I would say it's 3 out of 3 to me but I know there's a lot more behind these things than the guidence meetings I have attended. Still... Seizure of uninsured vehicles Endorsement of licence for mobile phone use whilst driving Unlicenced drivers guilty of Causing Death Dangerous Driving if they...Close Now we have to wait and see whether the prosecuting authorities will take a blind bit of notice. Still, brilliant if they do. -- (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/ Wannabe a Web designer? URL:http://userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/97dec/19971206.html |
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Sniper8052(L96A1) wrote on 04/03/2007 20:40 +0100:
Sorry I could not copy the act as I only have Acrotat Reader but you get the idea. Use http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk for all you legislative needs. Not sure if it's been given a commencement date as yet, probably not as I cant find any reference to an order but it's there. It received Royal Assent on 8 November 2006 and the fact it is called an Act not a Bill means it is in force. So get booking ;-) -- Tony "...has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least wildly inaccurate..." Douglas Adams; The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy |
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What's the betting the local troll objects to unfairness against motorists, and shouldn't the police be looking at serious stuff etc., etc., etc., of all the drivel it is known for :-D |
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On Mar 5, 8:34 am, "wafflycat" wrote:
What's the betting the local troll objects to unfairness against motorists, and shouldn't the police be looking at serious stuff etc., etc., etc., of all the drivel it is known for :-D Don't feed. Whilst some of his points are valid, most are hopelessly naive or deranged. I'm sure he wouldn't object to removing any kind of licensing. I mean, why do I need proof of medical training before I am allowed to carry out surgery? Surely anyone who is competent should be allowed to do it... It is an excellent change in teh law and one which will make life much easier for the police and judiciary, allowing the rest of us (who behave responsibly and fulfil our social contract) to live life just that bit safer. ...d |
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On 4 Mar, 21:53, Matt B wrote:
Sniper8052(L96A1) wrote: Remember what I said a couple of weeks ago, well... http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006...0060049_en.pdf Another desperate and poorly framed law specifically targeting motorists rather than specifically dangerous or reckless criminal acts. Like the kerb-crawling one mentioned in another thread. All this will result in is even more lazy prosecuting, with the less serious offences being used rather than manslaughter which is used for culpable violent deaths where motor vehicles aren't involved. If I were big headed I would say it's 3 out of 3 to me but I know there's a lot more behind these things than the guidence meetings I have attended. Still... You should be ashamed, not proud, that you cannot see the paucity of justice involved in these cop-out ideas. Seizure of uninsured vehicles There is a much easier way, and it would ensure that all collisions are actually covered by insurance. But if revenge, rather than justice, is the goal then this will do nicely. Endorsement of licence for mobile phone use whilst driving No. Missed the mark again. All the new regs give is endorsement of licence for being seen to be using a hand-held phone. It doesn't tackle the dangerous part, that of /using/ a mobile phone whilst in control of a vehicle, whether it is hand-held or hands-free. And it doesn't cover using one when in charge of other dangerous machinery or plant either!!! Another cop-out aimed at easy convictions rather than culpable actions. Unlicenced drivers guilty of Causing Death Dangerous Driving if they...Close Why the obsession with creating low-proof, easy to prosecute, offences, and only for motorists??? Ye Haaa Pathetic. -- Matt B Up jumped the troll... Really if your brains were formed into rounds I could use them for blowing holes in tanks. Is it nice out there in La La Land, snice you seem to have the intelect of a Tele Tubby. Bye then. Sniper8052 |
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On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 08:34:06 -0000, "wafflycat"
wrote: What's the betting the local troll objects to unfairness against motorists, and shouldn't the police be looking at serious stuff etc., etc., etc., of all the drivel it is known for :-D The local troll seems to be getting more and more desperate for attention; he's fastening on to any post to which he can attempt to attach a diversion into said drivel. Don't bite. Bad Sniper, no sticky buns for you. |
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wafflycat wrote:
What's the betting the local troll objects to unfairness against motorists, How is it unfair against motorists? Is it that they require "special" laws with lower standards of proof to be more certain of convicting them of something/anything? You could perhaps argue that it is unfair to those who are victims of non-motorists, because only time-tested common law is available to them, and they therefore have no opportunity to seek revenge without a robust case, and due consideration by twelve good men and true. and shouldn't the police be looking at serious stuff etc., etc., etc., of all the drivel it is known for :-D Whoever "it" might be. Evidently it isn't me at least, as I've never commented on how I think the police should spend their time. -- Matt B |
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