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On 12/03/18 14:29, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/11/2018 11:55 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: Emanuel, with all due respect, have you considered buying a book? These are the ones I have acquired or borrowed from the public library. The road bike books obviously don't cover the Torpedo rear hub, and the Swedish books are mechanically at a lower level than that, the Dutch one maybe covers it but I don't read the language - it has some good illos tho so I wouldn't rule it out. "Effective cycling" I gave up on as it was so boring to read with very few illustrations and a tiresome focus on policy/traffic issues which I can't influence anyway. @book{complete-road-bike-maintenance, Â*Â* authorÂ*Â*Â*Â* = {Guy Andrews}, Â*Â* ISBNÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* = {978 1 4081 7093 9}, Â*Â* publisherÂ* = {Bloomsbury}, Â*Â* titleÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* = {Complete Road Bike Maintenance}, Â*Â* yearÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* = 2013 } @book{en-cyklo-pedi, Â*Â* authorÂ*Â*Â*Â* = {Johan Tell}, Â*Â* ISBNÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* = {978-91-1-307337-8}, Â*Â* publisherÂ* = {Nordstedt}, Â*Â* titleÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* = {En cyklo pedi}, Â*Â* yearÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* = 2016 } @book{effective-cycling, Â*Â* authorÂ*Â*Â*Â* = {John Forester}, Â*Â* ISBNÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* = {978-0-262-51694-5}, Â*Â* publisherÂ* = {Cambridge}, Â*Â* titleÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* = {Effective Cycling}, Â*Â* yearÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* = 2012 } @book{bike, Â*Â* authorÂ*Â*Â*Â* = {Daniel Benson and Richard Moore}, Â*Â* ISBNÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* = 9781781312346, Â*Â* publisherÂ* = {Aurum}, Â*Â* titleÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* = {Bike! A Tribute to the World's Greatest Cycling Designers}, Â*Â* yearÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* = 2014 } @book{cykelbok, Â*Â* authorÂ*Â*Â*Â* = {Staffan Skott}, Â*Â* ISBNÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* = {91-550-3942-1}, Â*Â* publisherÂ* = {Tiden}, Â*Â* titleÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* = {Cykelbok}, Â*Â* yearÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* = 1994 } @book{praktisch-fietsboek, Â*Â* authorÂ*Â*Â*Â* = {Rob van der Plas}, Â*Â* ISBNÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* = {90 274 9848 2}, Â*Â* publisherÂ* = {Spectrum}, Â*Â* titleÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* = {Praktisch Fietsboek}, Â*Â* yearÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* = 1984 } You might consider a review of basic principles and prior art besides consumer 'how to' books: https://www.alibris.com/booksearch?k...&hs.x=0&hs.y=0 You are not wrong. John Forester is an asshole https://waronthemotorist.wordpress.c...is-an-asshole/ |
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On 3/12/2018 3:44 PM, Tosspot wrote:
On 12/03/18 14:29, AMuzi wrote: On 3/11/2018 11:55 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: Emanuel, with all due respect, have you considered buying a book? These are the ones I have acquired or borrowed from the public library. The road bike books obviously don't cover the Torpedo rear hub, and the Swedish books are mechanically at a lower level than that, the Dutch one maybe covers it but I don't read the language - it has some good illos tho so I wouldn't rule it out. "Effective cycling" I gave up on as it was so boring to read with very few illustrations and a tiresome focus on policy/traffic issues which I can't influence anyway. @book{complete-road-bike-maintenance, Â*Â* authorÂ*Â*Â*Â* = {Guy Andrews}, Â*Â* ISBNÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* = {978 1 4081 7093 9}, Â*Â* publisherÂ* = {Bloomsbury}, Â*Â* titleÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* = {Complete Road Bike Maintenance}, Â*Â* yearÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* = 2013 } @book{en-cyklo-pedi, Â*Â* authorÂ*Â*Â*Â* = {Johan Tell}, Â*Â* ISBNÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* = {978-91-1-307337-8}, Â*Â* publisherÂ* = {Nordstedt}, Â*Â* titleÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* = {En cyklo pedi}, Â*Â* yearÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* = 2016 } @book{effective-cycling, Â*Â* authorÂ*Â*Â*Â* = {John Forester}, Â*Â* ISBNÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* = {978-0-262-51694-5}, Â*Â* publisherÂ* = {Cambridge}, Â*Â* titleÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* = {Effective Cycling}, Â*Â* yearÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* = 2012 } @book{bike, Â*Â* authorÂ*Â*Â*Â* = {Daniel Benson and Richard Moore}, Â*Â* ISBNÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* = 9781781312346, Â*Â* publisherÂ* = {Aurum}, Â*Â* titleÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* = {Bike! A Tribute to the World's Greatest Cycling Designers}, Â*Â* yearÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* = 2014 } @book{cykelbok, Â*Â* authorÂ*Â*Â*Â* = {Staffan Skott}, Â*Â* ISBNÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* = {91-550-3942-1}, Â*Â* publisherÂ* = {Tiden}, Â*Â* titleÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* = {Cykelbok}, Â*Â* yearÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* = 1994 } @book{praktisch-fietsboek, Â*Â* authorÂ*Â*Â*Â* = {Rob van der Plas}, Â*Â* ISBNÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* = {90 274 9848 2}, Â*Â* publisherÂ* = {Spectrum}, Â*Â* titleÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* = {Praktisch Fietsboek}, Â*Â* yearÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* = 1984 } You might consider a review of basic principles and prior art besides consumer 'how to' books: https://www.alibris.com/booksearch?k...&hs.x=0&hs.y=0 The book _Bicycles & Tricycles, An Elementary Treatise_ is probably interesting only to those who love the history of engineering. It was written well over 100 years ago. I enjoyed finding out what they knew back then - which was quite a lot - but it's not useful for fixing a bike. You are not wrong.Â* John Forester is an asshole Forester's book is also not the best for learning to work on a bike. But the book was absolutely ground breaking, and those of us who actually ride on public streets and roads owe Forester a great debt. He's devoted his life to preserving cyclists' rights to the road and teaching cyclists how to handle traffic. His online personality is prickly indeed; but he's a brilliant thinker, and most attacks against him come from the "bicycle facility complex." That's the idealists who imagine we can and should build a segregated network for bikes, parallel to our existing network of streets, and the designers who make their money by deluding the idealists and selling their services to cities. When people point out that's not possible, or that the yearned-for designs create difficult problems, those folks get nasty. https://waronthemotorist.wordpress.c...is-an-asshole/ -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 3/12/2018 2:44 PM, Tosspot wrote:
On 12/03/18 14:29, AMuzi wrote: On 3/11/2018 11:55 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: Emanuel, with all due respect, have you considered buying a book? These are the ones I have acquired or borrowed from the public library. The road bike books obviously don't cover the Torpedo rear hub, and the Swedish books are mechanically at a lower level than that, the Dutch one maybe covers it but I don't read the language - it has some good illos tho so I wouldn't rule it out. "Effective cycling" I gave up on as it was so boring to read with very few illustrations and a tiresome focus on policy/traffic issues which I can't influence anyway. @book{complete-road-bike-maintenance,   author    = {Guy Andrews},   ISBN      = {978 1 4081 7093 9},   publisher = {Bloomsbury},   title     = {Complete Road Bike Maintenance},   year      = 2013 } @book{en-cyklo-pedi,   author    = {Johan Tell},   ISBN      = {978-91-1-307337-8},   publisher = {Nordstedt},   title     = {En cyklo pedi},   year      = 2016 } @book{effective-cycling,   author    = {John Forester},   ISBN      = {978-0-262-51694-5},   publisher = {Cambridge},   title     = {Effective Cycling},   year      = 2012 } @book{bike,   author    = {Daniel Benson and Richard Moore},   ISBN      = 9781781312346,   publisher = {Aurum},   title     = {Bike! A Tribute to the World's Greatest Cycling Designers},   year      = 2014 } @book{cykelbok,   author    = {Staffan Skott},   ISBN      = {91-550-3942-1},   publisher = {Tiden},   title     = {Cykelbok},   year      = 1994 } @book{praktisch-fietsboek,   author    = {Rob van der Plas},   ISBN      = {90 274 9848 2},   publisher = {Spectrum},   title     = {Praktisch Fietsboek},   year      = 1984 } You might consider a review of basic principles and prior art besides consumer 'how to' books: https://www.alibris.com/booksearch?k...&hs.x=0&hs.y=0 You are not wrong. John Forester is an asshole https://waronthemotorist.wordpress.c...is-an-asshole/ He may well be, but he's right about many things too. Who among us is right all the time? Not me anyway. c.f. Sen Joe McCarthy, a consummate asshole by anyone's measure, who was largely proven right by The Venona Papers in 1993. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 06:26:54 +0100, Emanuel Berg
wrote: Why don't you and Liebermann write one? I have written a book. It isn't that easy. (Started in 1995, spent a few hours on it today.) -- Joy Beeson joy beeson at comcast dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/ |
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AMuzi wrote:
On 3/12/2018 2:44 PM, Tosspot wrote: On 12/03/18 14:29, AMuzi wrote: On 3/11/2018 11:55 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: Emanuel, with all due respect, have you considered buying a book? You don't really think a lack of paper, pencils, or posters is the problem[1], do you? These are the ones I have acquired or borrowed from the public library. The road bike books obviously don't cover the Torpedo rear hub, and the Swedish books are mechanically at a lower level than that, the Dutch one maybe covers it but I don't read the language - it has some good illos tho so I wouldn't rule it out. "Effective cycling" I gave up on as it was so boring to read with very few illustrations and a tiresome focus on policy/traffic issues which I can't influence anyway. ^^^^^^^^^ Bingo. This fits the classic definition of "idiot." [list of books] You might consider a review of basic principles and prior art besides consumer 'how to' books: https://www.alibris.com/booksearch?k...&hs.x=0&hs.y=0 A new edition is merely 1.3 pounds? Won't fix a SWEloi's wetware issue even if you directly hurl it at his cranium. Maybe if you bundle it with a hardcover Sutherland's, an old Siegfrid & Fritz https://www.amazon.de/gp/offer-listing/3870730145/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used and https://www.adlibris.com/se/bok/tabellenbuch-fahrradtechnik-9783808523346 You are not wrong. John Forester is an asshole https://waronthemotorist.wordpress.c...is-an-asshole/ A quick check shows that the mob at that site even resort to misrepresenting the deadly accidents they link to. Zero credibility. He may well be, but he's right about many things too. Who among us is right all the time? Not me anyway. To millennial snowflakes who have never learned to properly drive or ride, anyone surviving vehicular cycling as long as Forester has will automatically look like an a. -- "With some clients, make sure to collect upfront before giving free advice." [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irSwMr9Zxs0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vlr-J9Sbww |
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Joy Beeson wrote:
Why don't you and Liebermann write one? I have written a book. It isn't that easy. (Started in 1995, spent a few hours on it today.) I have also written one [1]. I know we have a novel written on the list as well. No one said its supposed to be easy [1] http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/borta/ -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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I have also written one [1]. I know we have
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On 13/03/2018 6:32 AM, Sepp Ruf wrote:
AMuzi wrote: On 3/12/2018 2:44 PM, Tosspot wrote: On 12/03/18 14:29, AMuzi wrote: On 3/11/2018 11:55 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: Emanuel, with all due respect, have you considered buying a book? You don't really think a lack of paper, pencils, or posters is the problem[1], do you? These are the ones I have acquired or borrowed from the public library. The road bike books obviously don't cover the Torpedo rear hub, and the Swedish books are mechanically at a lower level than that, the Dutch one maybe covers it but I don't read the language - it has some good illos tho so I wouldn't rule it out. "Effective cycling" I gave up on as it was so boring to read with very few illustrations and a tiresome focus on policy/traffic issues which I can't influence anyway. ^^^^^^^^^ Bingo. This fits the classic definition of "idiot." [list of books] You might consider a review of basic principles and prior art besides consumer 'how to' books: https://www.alibris.com/booksearch?k...&hs.x=0&hs.y=0 A new edition is merely 1.3 pounds? Won't fix a SWEloi's wetware issue even if you directly hurl it at his cranium. Maybe if you bundle it with a hardcover Sutherland's, an old Siegfrid & Fritz https://www.amazon.de/gp/offer-listing/3870730145/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used and https://www.adlibris.com/se/bok/tabellenbuch-fahrradtechnik-9783808523346 You are not wrong. John Forester is an asshole https://waronthemotorist.wordpress.c...is-an-asshole/ A quick check shows that the mob at that site even resort to misrepresenting the deadly accidents they link to. Zero credibility. He may well be, but he's right about many things too. Who among us is right all the time? Not me anyway. To millennial snowflakes who have never learned to properly drive or ride, anyone surviving vehicular cycling as long as Forester has will automatically look like an a. Maybe but it's not just millennial snowflakes that find Forester's penchant to reject out of hand anything but his own solution to be flawed. Case in point, the idea that adding something to trucks to keep cyclists and pedestrians from getting under the wheels. We've had several deaths in Montreal directly related to this. One can sit on their pompous ass and blame the cyclist or pedestrians for not reading their book. But putting barriers on trucks isn't a bad idea. Nor is improved visibility. We have the tech to use cameras and proximity alerts on my Toyota but not on an 18 wheeler? Doesn't make much sense to be against these things in my opinion. |
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Sepp Ruf wrote:
I can't influence anyway. Bingo. This fits the classic definition of "idiot." *plonk* -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 11:02:16 AM UTC-4, duane wrote:
On 13/03/2018 6:32 AM, Sepp Ruf wrote: To millennial snowflakes who have never learned to properly drive or ride, anyone surviving vehicular cycling as long as Forester has will automatically look like an a. Maybe but it's not just millennial snowflakes that find Forester's penchant to reject out of hand anything but his own solution to be flawed. Case in point, the idea that adding something to trucks to keep cyclists and pedestrians from getting under the wheels. We've had several deaths in Montreal directly related to this. One can sit on their pompous ass and blame the cyclist or pedestrians for not reading their book. But putting barriers on trucks isn't a bad idea. Nor is improved visibility. We have the tech to use cameras and proximity alerts on my Toyota but not on an 18 wheeler? Doesn't make much sense to be against these things in my opinion. Does Forester really reject the idea of putting side guards on trucks? I doubt it. I believe his logic is more like the following: Cyclists occasionally get killed when they are right hooked by a large truck. When that happens, the immediate cause of death is usually that the rear wheels of the truck or its trailer smash the cyclist. Yes, it's a problem. So how should a cyclist avoid that fate? One way would be to begin the lobbying process to create a state law mandating side guards on all such trucks and trailers. That will be opposed by the trucking industry, so it will involve a long fight. If we start now, installation may being in, oh, five years if we're lucky. And it's likely to apply only to new trucks, so old ones will be running around unguarded for maybe 20 more years. And the side guards won't be perfect - not even close. Because of the necessary ground clearance, the guards will still fail some cyclists. In other words, the cyclists wanting to avoid that fate will not be saved by this strategy for a long time, if ever. On the other hand, if a cyclist wants to avoid that fate, he could learn to avoid getting into a right hook situation. He could drop the fantasy that a bike lane - even a "protected bike lane" - constitutes an impenetrable barrier. Neither of these strategies will protect the ignorant cyclists. But when Forester talks about avoiding these right hooks, he's trying to reduce the number of ignorant cyclists. The cyclists that really learn this will be much, much safer. One way to teach the lesson is to note, after one of these fatalities, that the cyclist did make a mistake. Of course, many people castigate that as "victim blaming." So instead of teaching, they promote fantasy solutions. That's nuts. I imagine what those people would have done if they'd been math teachers: "Johnny, you said 2+2=5. I don't want to hurt your self esteem, so I'm going to do what I can to make two plus two actually equal five. No need to thank me! I just want to make the world a better place for everyone!" - Frank Krygowski |
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