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Should SUV Driving amount to Drunk Driving?
"Jack May" wrote in message . .. "Pat" wrote in message ... On Dec 10, 7:42 pm, "Jack May" wrote: "donquijote1954" wrote in message ... Oil will NEVER run out. That is a common fallicy. Eventually it will get scare and with scarcity comes a higher price. As prices get higher, substitutes become economical. Then the substitutes take over the demand. As gas prices rise, bio-diesel, ethenol, etc. become more viable. At some point they will take over and replace oil. It's just a matter of time. Meanwhile, the last of the prohibitively expensive oil will sit in the ground. Certainly true. There are reports though that we are late already and the alternative energy sources will not be ramped up in time. Of course shortages will cause a lot of alternative fuel production to ramp up quickly. Maybe we will make the transition by the thinnest of margins without shutting down the US economy. It will be a cliff hanger. The thing is, if we insist on developing and traveling in the most wasteful manner possible, the sheer amount that will have to be produced to fill the gap will be much larger. If we can do some things now to rein in our own wastefulness, the task will be much easier. |
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"Jack May" wrote: "donquijote1954" wrote in message ... What's wrong with the idea of HAVING OPTIONS? Or do you want an America where all drive SUVs? The problem with options is that Government often spends far more money than can be justified to support those options. Even after the California legislator gutted transit funds in the budget this year, the Bay Area is still spending two thirds of it transportation funds for four and a half percent of the travelers and only a third of its money on the 90% plus of travelers using personal vehicle. The increase of funds for personal vehicles if from the $40B bonds the voters approved to partially repair the damage done to California by the foolish spending on transit over the last decades. Having options is the brain dead cliché used by people that don't understand that funds are limited and options are often far more expensive than main stream transportation. Options usually carry far too few people to be of any real value. Better that than the brain-dead notion you espouse, that trillions of dollars should be spent subsidizing the use of one car for every commuter. Now, you're right in that the quixotic one is a ****wit, but don't join him in the ranks of ****wits. |
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"Jack May" wrote: "Pat" wrote in message . .. On Dec 10, 7:42 pm, "Jack May" wrote: "donquijote1954" wrote in message . com... Oil will NEVER run out. That is a common fallicy. Eventually it will get scare and with scarcity comes a higher price. As prices get higher, substitutes become economical. Then the substitutes take over the demand. As gas prices rise, bio-diesel, ethenol, etc. become more viable. At some point they will take over and replace oil. It's just a matter of time. Meanwhile, the last of the prohibitively expensive oil will sit in the ground. Certainly true. There are reports though that we are late already and the alternative energy sources will not be ramped up in time. Of course shortages will cause a lot of alternative fuel production to ramp up quickly. Maybe we will make the transition by the thinnest of margins without shutting down the US economy. It will be a cliff hanger. Nope, it's too late. The window of opportunity is closed. Oil wars are the trend of the future. Buckle up. The US economy will be ****ed beyond all recognition. But it it's any consolation, so will the Chinese economy. |
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Should SUV Driving amount to Drunk Driving?
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John Everett wrote: On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:04:13 -0500, "David L. Johnson" wrote: Jack May wrote: The last I saw, the average MPG did not change over the last couple of decades with the introduction of SUV's. You weren't paying attention, then. The corporate MPG requirements specifically excluded "light trucks", which is why SUV's exist. They are classified as trucks, thus don't count in the CAFE statistics. Ah yes, the old law of unintended consequences. Hardly. The real unintended consequence is the slow-motion collapse of the Big Three due to their failure to perceive reality for what it is. It may be too late for them. What's your excuse? |
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"George Conklin" wrote: People switched to SUVs because the small cars made by GM and Japan were so damn miserable to drive people got sick of it. Yeah, that's why those miserable small cars outsell SUVs and the Big Three are sucking sewage. But no, blame it on the unions! Yeah, that's the ticket! |
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"Jack May" wrote: "donquijote1954" wrote in message ... Bicycles though are the ultimate weapon against Climate Change and safer roads... 1- They are cheap, so they are DEMOCRATIC. 2- They are healthy, so we keep the Medical Industry on a diet. 3- They are here now, not sometime in the future. Since the food used to power bikes is air shipped from all over the world, it is an energy hog. Not if you shop with a modicum of awareness. It's easy to minimize the foods you buy from other parts of the world, and it's easy to buy (relatively) local. Well, at least if your grocery store is also paying a modicum of attention. Fortunately mine does (currently all the food in my fridge, with the exception of condiments, was produced within 200 miles of my home). |
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"Tim McNamara" wrote in message ... In article , "George Conklin" wrote: People switched to SUVs because the small cars made by GM and Japan were so damn miserable to drive people got sick of it. Yeah, that's why those miserable small cars outsell SUVs and the Big Three are sucking sewage. But no, blame it on the unions! Yeah, that's the ticket! Your complaint was that there are too many SUVs. Now you say there are not. In fact, people don't like those miserable small cars. |
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"Dane Buson" wrote in message ... In rec.bicycles.misc George Conklin wrote: "Jack May" wrote in message Having options is the brain dead clich? used by people that don't understand that funds are limited and options are often far more expensive than main stream transportation. Options usually carry far too few people to be of any real value. But, as you have noted, transit riders tell us they are morally, culturally and intellectually superior to people in cars, who are isolated, lonely and, yes, as this thread says, basically drunk. Oh no George! You've forgotten that people who use sensible transportation (i.e., not cars) are also hipper, more sexually desirable, fitter, and all around just more Fabulous! Just thought I'd help you out that little bit! Such people also enjoy sleeping on the subway cars, since it gives them extra warmth on a cold night. |
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Should SUV Driving amount to Drunk Driving?
"Amy Blankenship" wrote in message . .. "Jack May" wrote in message . .. "Pat" wrote in message ... On Dec 10, 7:42 pm, "Jack May" wrote: "donquijote1954" wrote in message ... Oil will NEVER run out. That is a common fallicy. Eventually it will get scare and with scarcity comes a higher price. As prices get higher, substitutes become economical. Then the substitutes take over the demand. As gas prices rise, bio-diesel, ethenol, etc. become more viable. At some point they will take over and replace oil. It's just a matter of time. Meanwhile, the last of the prohibitively expensive oil will sit in the ground. Certainly true. There are reports though that we are late already and the alternative energy sources will not be ramped up in time. Of course shortages will cause a lot of alternative fuel production to ramp up quickly. Maybe we will make the transition by the thinnest of margins without shutting down the US economy. It will be a cliff hanger. The thing is, if we insist on developing and traveling in the most wasteful manner possible, the sheer amount that will have to be produced to fill the gap will be much larger. If we can do some things now to rein in our own wastefulness, the task will be much easier. The saved oil will be happily used in India and China. |
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"Tim McNamara" wrote in message ... In article , "Jack May" wrote: "Pat" wrote in message . .. On Dec 10, 7:42 pm, "Jack May" wrote: "donquijote1954" wrote in message . com... Oil will NEVER run out. That is a common fallicy. Eventually it will get scare and with scarcity comes a higher price. As prices get higher, substitutes become economical. Then the substitutes take over the demand. As gas prices rise, bio-diesel, ethenol, etc. become more viable. At some point they will take over and replace oil. It's just a matter of time. Meanwhile, the last of the prohibitively expensive oil will sit in the ground. Certainly true. There are reports though that we are late already and the alternative energy sources will not be ramped up in time. Of course shortages will cause a lot of alternative fuel production to ramp up quickly. Maybe we will make the transition by the thinnest of margins without shutting down the US economy. It will be a cliff hanger. Nope, it's too late. The window of opportunity is closed. Oil wars are the trend of the future. Buckle up. The US economy will be ****ed beyond all recognition. But it it's any consolation, so will the Chinese economy. Why don't you buy the mule your grandfather rode and solve all the world's problems? |
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