A FIRST! : A mountain biker who can learn from his mistakes

Shame you never learned from your mistakes Mike .... even criminal convictions don't appear to have had the necessary, salutary effect

What is "necessary"? This should be good for a laugh.

Clearly you are not ready to even take the first, necessary step ... which is to acknowledge that your previous course of action was wrong. Until you can do that you will make no progress and will probably become more isolated and extreme.

Remember, we are discussing Moutainbiking. It is not one of the world's big problems; it's a minimally impacting leisure activity. Which you happen to resent.

That something so minor should result in you committing battery is clearly wrong and it is therefore NECESSARY to acknowledge that ... as a first step.

I'm not trying to change your mind about mountainbiking, you're entitled to your opinion, but your methods need to change.

On Monday, September 23, 2013 2:02:30 AM UTC-7, Blackblade wrote:
Shame you never learned from your mistakes Mike .... even criminal convictions don't appear to have had the necessary, salutary effect What is "necessary"? This should be good for a laugh. Clearly you are not ready to even take the first, necessary step ... which is to acknowledge that your previous course of action was wrong. Until you can do that you will make no progress and will probably become more isolated and extreme. Remember, we are discussing Moutainbiking. It is not one of the world's big problems; it's a minimally impacting leisure activity.

BS. It is the most damaging activity allowed in any park. It destroys huge amounts of habitat through trailbuilding and excess human presence. But I don't expect any biological knowledge or wisdom from mountain bikers. You guys just don't CARE!

Which you happen to resent. That something so minor should result in you committing battery is clearly wrong

BS. Can you say "charge dismissed"?

and it is therefore NECESSARY to acknowledge that ... as a first step. I'm not trying to change your mind about mountainbiking, you're entitled to your opinion, but your methods need to change.

You need to start telling the truth. Until then, everything you say is worthless, which is exactly why mountain bikers get no respect -- which is exactly as it should be.

On Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:14:34 PM UTC-7, I love Mike wrote:
On Monday, September 23, 2013 4:20:26 PM UTC+12, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Sunday, September 22, 2013 6:39:51 PM UTC-7, I love Mike wrote: On Monday, September 23, 2013 11:42:49 AM UTC+12, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Sunday, September 22, 2013 11:30:01 AM UTC-7, I love Mike wrote: Still promoting your laughable research old chum? Hilarious. You have no credentials or qualifications in environmental science. Your views on mountain biking are irrelevant. You are a psychologist not a natural scientist nor do you have the capability to produce any credible science owing to your irrationality and biases. REAL scientists (unlike you) disagree: Vandeman, Michael J.. ), 1998. Wildlife Need Habitat Off-Limits to Humans! in Personal, Societal, and Ecological Values of Wilderness: Sixth World Wilderness Congress: Proceedings on Research, Management, and Allocation: A. E.. Watson, G. H. Aplet, J. C. Hendee, eds. Fort Collins, CO: U.S. Dept. of Agriculture, Forest Service, Rocky Mountain Research Station; also available at http://mjvande.nfshost.com/india3.htm. Vandeman, Michael J. ), "The Myth of the Sustainable Lifestyle". Presented at the Society for Conservation Biology meeting, University of Hawaii, Hilo, Hawaii, July 30, 2001, http://mjvande.nfshost.com/sustain.htm. Vandeman, Michael J. ), 2008. The Impacts of Mountain Biking on Amphibians and Reptiles. In Urban Herpetology. J. C.. Mitchell, R. E. Jung Brown, and B. Bartholomew, editors. Society for the Study of Amphibians and Reptiles, Herpetological Conservation 3:155-156; expanded version also available at http://mjvande.nfshost.com/herp.htm. etc. I am sorry that's not good enough. Two of those "publications" are conference papers an have not been published. Finally that last one is very old and doesn't contain any meaningful data on impacts. It is an opinion piece is a very obscure publication. If you want to make a difference get an education, do some field work and get it published in a real journal. You, on the other hand, aren't qualified to judge. EVERY publication is "obscure", to your uneducated mind. Nor are you anywhere to be seen at any of the conferences or publications. Mikey: I don't turn to those conferences where you are presenting for the simple reason I don't value your opinion. You are not a scientist.

REAL scientists don't agree with you. Your opinions are self-serving and dishonest. Until you can learn how to tell the truth, your statements will all be worthless.

You are a psychologist who has had major problems with the law.

BS. Can you say "charge dismissed"?

Perhaps more importantly the real big name journals for conservation are conservation biology, biological conservation and nature. You have no articles or research notes published in any of these publications....

What real scientists? Provide some sources please. And by references I don't mean conference papers, newspaper articles or blog entries I mean peer reviewed scientific that is published and shows concrete evidence that mountain biking is done kind of massive environmental problem like climate change..

On Monday, September 23, 2013 1:06:05 PM UTC-7, I love Mike wrote: What real scientists?

I was referring to your statement: "You are not a scientist." As I listed above, REAL scientists (unlike you) consider me a scientist, or they wouldn't have allowed me to speak & publish a paper. STILL Vandeman 1000, mountain bikers ZERO. You just don't know when you've been beaten.

Provide some sources please. And by references I don't mean conference papers, newspaper articles or blog entries I mean peer reviewed scientific that is published and shows concrete evidence that mountain biking is done kind of massive environmental problem like climate change.

Hahaha. You are a real scientist? Laughable. You must have had some bath salts or something for breakfast.

Shame you never learned from your mistakes Mike .... even criminal convictions don't appear to have had the necessary, salutary effect What is "necessary"? This should be good for a laugh. Clearly you are not ready to even take the first, necessary step ... which is to acknowledge that your previous course of action was wrong. Until you can do that you will make no progress and will probably become more isolated and extreme. Remember, we are discussing Moutainbiking. It is not one of the world's big problems; it's a minimally impacting leisure activity.

BS. It is the most damaging activity allowed in any park. It destroys huge amounts of habitat through trailbuilding and excess human presence. But I don't expect any biological knowledge or wisdom from mountain bikers. You guys just don't CARE!

Get some perspective. Mostly trails already exist and the few extra created specifically for mountainbiking are minimal in comparison with logging, road-building, construction, plantations etc etc etc. It's a pinprick on a global scale. If everyone went mountainbiking instead of shopping then the world would be far greener than it is now.

Which you happen to resent. That something so minor should result in you committing battery is clearly wrong

BS. Can you say "charge dismissed"?

No, you can't because it wasn't. This is precisely what I mean about NECESSARY steps to dealing with your situation. You were prosecuted, you were found guilty in a court by a jury. Once your conviction, and the punishment, were spent you were able to apply for a petition to expunge your conviction. That does not, by any stretch of the imagination, mean 'charge dismissed'. And, by the way, you've not provided one shred of evidence that the petition was applied for nor granted anyway.

But, your continual denial of basic facts just makes you look like an idiot.. Man up and face what happened. And learn from it. Or don't ... and continue to be an amusement for a bunch of people who don't take you seriously..

You need to start telling the truth. Until then, everything you say is worthless, which is exactly why mountain bikers get no respect -- which is exactly as it should be.

You should, most definitely, tell the truth ... and until you do so, no, you won't get any respect nor will anyone take you seriously. So, again, were you or were you not convicted in a court of law ??

I was referring to your statement: "You are not a scientist." As I listed above, REAL scientists (unlike you) consider me a scientist, or they wouldn't have allowed me to speak & publish a paper. STILL Vandeman 1000, mountain bikers ZERO. You just don't know when you've been beaten.

Small conferences issue a "Call for Papers" which, for a while, you were able to respond to and get on the agenda.

However, your egregiously bad performances have lead to no repeat invitations and your not being on the agenda to speak at any for nearly a decade. You even publish, on your website, a letter pleading with one conference to accept you after a rejection !

Face it Vandeman, you are no scientist; you have made your mind up about mountainbiking and nothing is going to dissuade you from that fact. John Maynard Keynes put it very well ... "When the facts change I change my mind. What do you do, sir ?". Nothing is going to change your mind so you are not a scientist.

On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:13:55 AM UTC-7, Blackblade wrote:
Shame you never learned from your mistakes Mike .... even criminal convictions don't appear to have had the necessary, salutary effect What is "necessary"? This should be good for a laugh. Clearly you are not ready to even take the first, necessary step ... which is to acknowledge that your previous course of action was wrong. Until you can do that you will make no progress and will probably become more isolated and extreme. Remember, we are discussing Moutainbiking. It is not one of the world's big problems; it's a minimally impacting leisure activity. BS. It is the most damaging activity allowed in any park. It destroys huge amounts of habitat through trailbuilding and excess human presence. But I don't expect any biological knowledge or wisdom from mountain bikers. You guys just don't CARE! Get some perspective. Mostly trails already exist and the few extra created specifically for mountainbiking are minimal in comparison with logging, road-building, construction, plantations etc etc etc. It's a pinprick on a global scale.

Thanks for demonstrating your utter ignorance of basic biology. There are thousands of miles of trails built for mountain biking, mostly illegal, and each one destroys a 2-mile swath of habitat, since the habitat is unusable when too many humans (in the case of mountain bikers, I use the term "humans" loosely) using it.

If everyone went mountainbiking instead of shopping then the world would be far greener than it is now. Which you happen to resent. That something so minor should result in you committing battery is clearly wrong BS. Can you say "charge dismissed"? No, you can't because it wasn't. This is precisely what I mean about NECESSARY steps to dealing with your situation. You were prosecuted, you were found guilty in a court by a jury. Once your conviction, and the punishment, were spent you were able to apply for a petition to expunge your conviction. That does not, by any stretch of the imagination, mean 'charge dismissed'. And, by the way, you've not provided one shred of evidence that the petition was applied for nor granted anyway. But, your continual denial of basic facts just makes you look like an idiot. Man up and face what happened. And learn from it. Or don't ... and continue to be an amusement for a bunch of people who don't take you seriously. You need to start telling the truth. Until then, everything you say is worthless, which is exactly why mountain bikers get no respect -- which is exactly as it should be. You should, most definitely, tell the truth ... and until you do so, no, you won't get any respect nor will anyone take you seriously.. So, again, were you or were you not convicted in a court of law ??

The final disposition, the only one that counts, is "charge dismissed". Just as you can get a Ph.D. even if you got a "B" on a test once in the past. Sorry to disappoint you. But I know that's not going to stop you from lying about it, since you are addicted to lying.

On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:19:27 AM UTC-7, Blackblade wrote:
I was referring to your statement: "You are not a scientist." As I listed above, REAL scientists (unlike you) consider me a scientist, or they wouldn't have allowed me to speak & publish a paper. STILL Vandeman 1000, mountain bikers ZERO. You just don't know when you've been beaten. Small conferences issue a "Call for Papers" which, for a while, you were able to respond to and get on the agenda. However, your egregiously bad performances have lead to no repeat invitations and your not being on the agenda to speak at any for nearly a decade.

Very funny. You think just making an assertion makes it true. I gave a paper at the Society for Conservation Biology conference in July, 2012. I would have given more, but I don't care to travel too far, e.g. to New Zealand.

You even publish, on your website, a letter pleading with one conference to accept you after a rejection ! Face it Vandeman, you are no scientist; you have made your mind up about mountainbiking and nothing is going to dissuade you from that fact. John Maynard Keynes put it very well ... "When the facts change I change my mind. What do you do, sir ?". Nothing is going to change your mind so you are not a scientist.

You don't have any scientific evidence. That is the only thing that would impress a scientist. All you have is unsupported lies.