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  #61  
Old March 13th 12, 01:36 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Mike Vandeman[_4_]
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Default Road Bicycle Helmets Offer Inadequate Protection for Mountain Biking

On Mar 6, 11:48*am, Bob Berger wrote:
In article ,
Shraga says...







On Mar 5, 6:48=A0pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mar 5, 10:34=A0am, Shraga wrote:


Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!


In other words, you think nearly all sports are stupid. So how do you
feel about seat belts? Do hand rails make staircases "extreme?"


Thanks for demonstrating, once again, just how insane mountain bikers
are. You obviously don't care about your own welfare, or anyone
else's.


And, yes, seatbelts prove that driving a motor vehicle is insane. You
don't see too many hikers wearing seatbelts or helmets, do you? QED


I have demonstrated nothing but your dishonesty, liar.


So according to you, "seatbelts prove that driving a motor vehicle is
insane." But you obviously hide from the fact that seatbelts are also
used by passengers in motor vehicles and aircraft. Why did you
deliberately avoid those uses, liar? What are you hiding?


You wrote "special protective equipment." I continue to assert that
"nearly all" sports recommend special protective equipment, and I am
merely providing examples that demonstrate your insanity. You gave me
ONE bad example in response, so you clearly don't understand what
"QED" means. Maybe you should leave the Latin phrases to the adults.


By the way, can you remind me which country won the hiking world
championships last year?


You also sound like you don't have a lot of hiking experience.
Personally, I always carry a whistle, dry matches, a first aid kit and
a light rain shell to *protect* me from the elements.


You need to understand. Mike is very serious about his position. Since hiking
boots and shoes are designed to protect the wearer, he hikes barefoot. And when
it dawned on him that the puropse of clothing is to protect the hiker from the
elements, he quit wearing those too.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Why can't mountain bikers EVER tell the truth???
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  #62  
Old March 13th 12, 03:42 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Bob Berger[_2_]
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Default Road Bicycle Helmets Offer Inadequate Protection for Mountain Biking

In article ,
Mike Vandeman says...

On Mar 6, 11:48=A0am, Bob Berger wrote:
In article .=

com,
Shraga says...







On Mar 5, 6:48=3DA0pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mar 5, 10:34=3DA0am, Shraga wrote:


Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment=

is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!


In other words, you think nearly all sports are stupid. So how do yo=

u
feel about seat belts? Do hand rails make staircases "extreme?"


Thanks for demonstrating, once again, just how insane mountain bikers
are. You obviously don't care about your own welfare, or anyone
else's.


And, yes, seatbelts prove that driving a motor vehicle is insane. You
don't see too many hikers wearing seatbelts or helmets, do you? QED


I have demonstrated nothing but your dishonesty, liar.


So according to you, "seatbelts prove that driving a motor vehicle is
insane." But you obviously hide from the fact that seatbelts are also
used by passengers in motor vehicles and aircraft. Why did you
deliberately avoid those uses, liar? What are you hiding?


You wrote "special protective equipment." I continue to assert that
"nearly all" sports recommend special protective equipment, and I am
merely providing examples that demonstrate your insanity. You gave me
ONE bad example in response, so you clearly don't understand what
"QED" means. Maybe you should leave the Latin phrases to the adults.


By the way, can you remind me which country won the hiking world
championships last year?


You also sound like you don't have a lot of hiking experience.
Personally, I always carry a whistle, dry matches, a first aid kit and
a light rain shell to *protect* me from the elements.


You need to understand. Mike is very serious about his position. Since hi=

king
boots and shoes are designed to protect the wearer, he hikes barefoot. An=

d when
it dawned on him that the puropse of clothing is to protect the hiker fro=

m the
elements, he quit wearing those too.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Why can't mountain bikers EVER tell the truth???


Best you can do? Disappointing.

  #63  
Old March 13th 12, 03:51 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Bob Berger[_2_]
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Default Road Bicycle Helmets Offer Inadequate Protection for Mountain Biking

In article ,
Mike Vandeman says...

On Mar 6, 9:59=A0am, Shraga wrote:
On Mar 5, 11:38=A0pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:





On Mar 5, 6:54=A0pm, Len McGoogle wrote:
I agree, it is selfish to force an animal to carry and be con=

trolled
by some fat human. Together we can free horses from this dang=

erous,
destructive pastime.


The easiest way to make horseback riding safer is to restrict b=

ikes to
paved roads.


We'll work on that later.


For now, you and I need to spread the word that riding horses is
"pretty stupid, kind of like the people who practice it".


Obviously, that's not what I said, liar.


Mike, don't be so modest, that's exactly what you said. You said ANY
sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!


Don't worry, I'll make sure you get all the credit.


You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.


The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.

Please read this article:

http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40...280a.html#tbl7

Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.

While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.

Furthermore, here is a helpful list of protective equipment
recommended to horseback riders:

http://www.hughston.com/hha/a.horse.htm- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Irrelevant. We are discussing trail riding, not competition. Trail
riding is only made dangerous by mountain bikers.


Mike, read the book "Death In Yellowstone" by Lee H. Whittlesey. The author has
included an entire chapter on horse related human deaths in the park; and in it,
mountain bikers aren't mentioned once.

I know you'd rather
change the subject, because you were caught LYING -- the mountain
bikers' stock in trade. Mountain biking requires a helmet because it
is inherently dangerous. Horseback riding is NOT inherently dangerous.
Horses are smarter than mountain bikers, and don't seek out dangerous
situations, as mountain bikers DO. Face the FACTS, dumdum.


  #64  
Old March 13th 12, 08:11 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Mike Vandeman[_4_]
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Default Road Bicycle Helmets Offer Inadequate Protection for Mountain Biking

On Mar 12, 7:51*pm, Bob Berger wrote:
In article ,
Mike Vandeman says...







On Mar 6, 9:59=A0am, Shraga wrote:
On Mar 5, 11:38=A0pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:


On Mar 5, 6:54=A0pm, Len McGoogle wrote:
I agree, it is selfish to force an animal to carry and be con=

trolled
by some fat human. Together we can free horses from this dang=

erous,
destructive pastime.


The easiest way to make horseback riding safer is to restrict b=

ikes to
paved roads.


We'll work on that later.


For now, you and I need to spread the word that riding horses is
"pretty stupid, kind of like the people who practice it".


Obviously, that's not what I said, liar.


Mike, don't be so modest, that's exactly what you said. You said ANY
sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!


Don't worry, I'll make sure you get all the credit.


You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.


The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.


Please read this article:


http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40...280a.html#tbl7


Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.


While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.


Furthermore, here is a helpful list of protective equipment
recommended to horseback riders:


http://www.hughston.com/hha/a.horse.htm-Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Irrelevant. We are discussing trail riding, not competition. Trail
riding is only made dangerous by mountain bikers.


Mike, read the book "Death In Yellowstone" by Lee H. Whittlesey. The author has
included an entire chapter on horse related human deaths in the park; and in it,
mountain bikers aren't mentioned once.



I know you'd rather
change the subject, because you were caught LYING -- the mountain
bikers' stock in trade. Mountain biking requires a helmet because it
is inherently dangerous. Horseback riding is NOT inherently dangerous.
Horses are smarter than mountain bikers, and don't seek out dangerous
situations, as mountain bikers DO. Face the FACTS, dumdum.


Because mountain biking isn't allowed in the park. DUH! ALL parks
should be like that. You guys are too easy.
  #65  
Old March 13th 12, 11:16 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Bob Berger[_2_]
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Default Road Bicycle Helmets Offer Inadequate Protection for Mountain Biking

In article ,
Mike Vandeman says...

On Mar 12, 7:51=A0pm, Bob Berger wrote:
In article =

s.com,
Mike Vandeman says...







On Mar 6, 9:59=3DA0am, Shraga wrote:
On Mar 5, 11:38=3DA0pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:


On Mar 5, 6:54=3DA0pm, Len McGoogle wrote:
I agree, it is selfish to force an animal to carry and be =

con=3D
trolled
by some fat human. Together we can free horses from this d=

ang=3D
erous,
destructive pastime.


The easiest way to make horseback riding safer is to restric=

t b=3D
ikes to
paved roads.


We'll work on that later.


For now, you and I need to spread the word that riding horses =

is
"pretty stupid, kind of like the people who practice it".


Obviously, that's not what I said, liar.


Mike, don't be so modest, that's exactly what you said. You said A=

NY
sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!


Don't worry, I'll make sure you get all the credit.


You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.


The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.


Please read this article:


http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40...280a.html#tbl7


Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.


While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.


Furthermore, here is a helpful list of protective equipment
recommended to horseback riders:


http://www.hughston.com/hha/a.horse.htm-Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -



Irrelevant. We are discussing trail riding, not competition. Trail
riding is only made dangerous by mountain bikers.


Mike, read the book "Death In Yellowstone" by Lee H. Whittlesey. The
author has included an entire chapter on horse related human deaths
in the park; and in it, mountain bikers aren't mentioned once.


Because mountain biking isn't allowed in the park. DUH! ALL parks
should be like that.


Thank you for accepting the validity of my statement. I gave you an
authoritative source for information about some of the dangers of horseback
trail riding. You did not dispute that source, and you even went so far as to
agree mountain biking was not a factor. Thus, you acknowledge that there are
dangers to horseback trail riders that are not associated with mountain bikers.

Therefore, your assertion that "Trail riding is only made dangerous by mountain
bikers" is falsified.

You guys are too easy.


We try to be in hopes you'll be able to understand what we're saying.

  #66  
Old March 14th 12, 03:22 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Mike Vandeman[_4_]
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Posts: 1,755
Default Road Bicycle Helmets Offer Inadequate Protection for Mountain Biking

On Mar 13, 3:16*pm, Bob Berger wrote:
In article ,
Mike Vandeman says...







On Mar 12, 7:51=A0pm, Bob Berger wrote:
In article =

s.com,
Mike Vandeman says...


On Mar 6, 9:59=3DA0am, Shraga wrote:
On Mar 5, 11:38=3DA0pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:


On Mar 5, 6:54=3DA0pm, Len McGoogle wrote:
I agree, it is selfish to force an animal to carry and be =

con=3D
trolled
by some fat human. Together we can free horses from this d=

ang=3D
erous,
destructive pastime.


The easiest way to make horseback riding safer is to restric=

t b=3D
ikes to
paved roads.


We'll work on that later.


For now, you and I need to spread the word that riding horses =

is
"pretty stupid, kind of like the people who practice it".


Obviously, that's not what I said, liar.


Mike, don't be so modest, that's exactly what you said. You said A=

NY
sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!


Don't worry, I'll make sure you get all the credit.


You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.


The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.


Please read this article:


http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40...280a.html#tbl7


Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.


While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries..
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.


Furthermore, here is a helpful list of protective equipment
recommended to horseback riders:


http://www.hughston.com/hha/a.horse.htm-Hidequoted text -


- Show quoted text -
Irrelevant. We are discussing trail riding, not competition. Trail
riding is only made dangerous by mountain bikers.
Mike, read the book "Death In Yellowstone" by Lee H. Whittlesey. The
author has included an entire chapter on horse related human deaths
in the park; and in it, mountain bikers aren't mentioned once.

Because mountain biking isn't allowed in the park. DUH! ALL parks
should be like that.


Thank you for accepting the validity of my statement. I gave you an
authoritative source for information about some of the dangers of horseback
trail riding. You did not dispute that source,


Only because I havent' read it. If I did, I'm positive I'd fnd that
you lied. As usual.

and you even went so far as to
agree mountain biking was not a factor. Thus, you acknowledge that there are
dangers to horseback trail riders that are not associated with mountain bikers.

Therefore, your assertion that "Trail riding is only made dangerous by mountain
bikers" is falsified.

You guys are too easy.


We try to be in hopes you'll be able to understand what we're saying.


Still waiting for your answer: Why can't mountain bikers EVER tell the
truth???
  #67  
Old March 15th 12, 02:15 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Len McGoogle
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Default Road Bicycle Helmets Offer Inadequate Protection for Mountain Biking

On Mar 9, 5:29*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mar 9, 12:52*pm, Len McGoogle wrote:









On Mar 8, 12:51*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:


On Mar 8, 6:51*am, Shraga wrote:


On Mar 8, 5:12*am, Mike Vandeman wrote:


On Mar 7, 1:08*pm, Shraga wrote:


On Mar 7, 2:58*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:


On Mar 7, 8:40*am, Shraga wrote:


On Mar 6, 11:46*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:


On Mar 6, 8:59*am, Shraga wrote:
You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.


The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.


Please read this article:


http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40...280a.html#tbl7


Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.


While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.


As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..


That's not what my response is addressing, idiot. Learn to READ.


What you wrote, liar, and now refuse to address is, "Horseback riding
is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."


I proved the contrary, and you are to much of a coward to admit it.


BS. You only proved that equestrians sometimes use helmets, NOT that
they are REQUIRED. Learn to READ, idiot.


Odd. I apparently mistook you for someone with an IQ above room-
temperature. I OBVIOUSLY showed you that equestrians sustain injuries
independent of mountain biker activity. Yet now you are going on about
helmets. You are just like a politician responding at a debate....
Someone asks you a question, and you provide an answer that has
nothing to do with it.


You wrote: "Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS


endanger equestrians." That is CLEARLY a lie; you were caught, and now
you are AFRAID to address it.


Nope. True. You have proved nothing.


That's a childish claim, considering you can't refute what I wrote.


There's nothing to refute, since you never proved that horseback
riding is so dangerous that it REQUIRES one to wear a helmet. Until
you do that, you are only blowing hot air, as usual. QED


The International Federation for Equestrian Sports REQUIRES helmets
for competition.


We aren't talking about competion, dum dum. We are talking about
normal riding on trails.

The United States Equestrian Federation REQUIRES all riders to wear
certified helmets while competing in Hunter, Jumpers, and Hunt Seat
Equitation classes, and in any other class, including Hunter Hack,
where jumping is required.


We aren't talking about competion, dum dum. We are talking about
normal riding on trails.


Normal mountain biking isn't competition either, thus it does NOT
require special equipment negating this entire thread you started.


  #68  
Old March 15th 12, 02:17 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Len McGoogle
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Posts: 58
Default Road Bicycle Helmets Offer Inadequate Protection for Mountain Biking

On Mar 12, 8:30*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mar 6, 9:59*am, Shraga wrote:









On Mar 5, 11:38*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:


On Mar 5, 6:54*pm, Len McGoogle wrote:
I agree, it is selfish to force an animal to carry and be controlled
by some fat human. Together we can free horses from this dangerous,
destructive pastime.


The easiest way to make horseback riding safer is to restrict bikes to
paved roads.


We'll work on that later.


For now, you and I need to spread the word that riding horses is
"pretty stupid, kind of like the people who practice it".


Obviously, that's not what I said, liar.


Mike, don't be so modest, that's exactly what you said. You said ANY
sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!


Don't worry, I'll make sure you get all the credit.


You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.


The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.


Please read this article:


http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40...280a.html#tbl7


Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.


While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.


Furthermore, here is a helpful list of protective equipment
recommended to horseback riders:


http://www.hughston.com/hha/a.horse.htm-Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Irrelevant. We are discussing trail riding, not competition. Trail
riding is only made dangerous by mountain bikers. I know you'd rather
change the subject, because you were caught LYING -- the mountain
bikers' stock in trade. Mountain biking requires a helmet because it
is inherently dangerous. Horseback riding is NOT inherently dangerous.
Horses are smarter than mountain bikers, and don't seek out dangerous
situations, as mountain bikers DO. Face the FACTS, dumdum.


Mountain biking doesn't require any helmet, idiot.
  #69  
Old March 15th 12, 04:50 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Mike Vandeman[_4_]
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Posts: 1,755
Default Road Bicycle Helmets Offer Inadequate Protection for Mountain Biking

On Mar 14, 6:15*pm, Len McGoogle wrote:
On Mar 9, 5:29*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:





On Mar 9, 12:52*pm, Len McGoogle wrote:


On Mar 8, 12:51*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:


On Mar 8, 6:51*am, Shraga wrote:


On Mar 8, 5:12*am, Mike Vandeman wrote:


On Mar 7, 1:08*pm, Shraga wrote:


On Mar 7, 2:58*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:


On Mar 7, 8:40*am, Shraga wrote:


On Mar 6, 11:46*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:


On Mar 6, 8:59*am, Shraga wrote:
You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians.. You are fooling
no one except yourself.


The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.


Please read this article:


http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40...280a.html#tbl7


Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.


While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.


As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..


That's not what my response is addressing, idiot. Learn to READ.


What you wrote, liar, and now refuse to address is, "Horseback riding
is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."


I proved the contrary, and you are to much of a coward to admit it.


BS. You only proved that equestrians sometimes use helmets, NOT that
they are REQUIRED. Learn to READ, idiot.


Odd. I apparently mistook you for someone with an IQ above room-
temperature. I OBVIOUSLY showed you that equestrians sustain injuries
independent of mountain biker activity. Yet now you are going on about
helmets. You are just like a politician responding at a debate...
Someone asks you a question, and you provide an answer that has
nothing to do with it.


You wrote: "Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS


endanger equestrians." That is CLEARLY a lie; you were caught, and now
you are AFRAID to address it.


Nope. True. You have proved nothing.


That's a childish claim, considering you can't refute what I wrote.


There's nothing to refute, since you never proved that horseback
riding is so dangerous that it REQUIRES one to wear a helmet. Until
you do that, you are only blowing hot air, as usual. QED


The International Federation for Equestrian Sports REQUIRES helmets
for competition.


We aren't talking about competion, dum dum. We are talking about
normal riding on trails.


The United States Equestrian Federation REQUIRES all riders to wear
certified helmets while competing in Hunter, Jumpers, and Hunt Seat
Equitation classes, and in any other class, including Hunter Hack,
where jumping is required.


We aren't talking about competion, dum dum. We are talking about
normal riding on trails.


Normal mountain biking isn't competition either, thus it does NOT
require special equipment negating this entire thread you started.


Good. Then I hope you never wear a helmet, since it "isn't required".
Idiot.
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Old March 15th 12, 07:12 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Len McGoogle
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Default Road Bicycle Helmets Offer Inadequate Protection for Mountain Biking

On Mar 14, 11:50*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mar 14, 6:15*pm, Len McGoogle wrote:









On Mar 9, 5:29*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:


On Mar 9, 12:52*pm, Len McGoogle wrote:


On Mar 8, 12:51*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:


On Mar 8, 6:51*am, Shraga wrote:


On Mar 8, 5:12*am, Mike Vandeman wrote:


On Mar 7, 1:08*pm, Shraga wrote:


On Mar 7, 2:58*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:


On Mar 7, 8:40*am, Shraga wrote:


On Mar 6, 11:46*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:


On Mar 6, 8:59*am, Shraga wrote:
You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.


The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.


Please read this article:


http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40...280a.html#tbl7


Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.


While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.


As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane.. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..


That's not what my response is addressing, idiot. Learn to READ.


What you wrote, liar, and now refuse to address is, "Horseback riding
is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."


I proved the contrary, and you are to much of a coward to admit it.


BS. You only proved that equestrians sometimes use helmets, NOT that
they are REQUIRED. Learn to READ, idiot.


Odd. I apparently mistook you for someone with an IQ above room-
temperature. I OBVIOUSLY showed you that equestrians sustain injuries
independent of mountain biker activity. Yet now you are going on about
helmets. You are just like a politician responding at a debate...
Someone asks you a question, and you provide an answer that has
nothing to do with it.


You wrote: "Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS


endanger equestrians." That is CLEARLY a lie; you were caught, and now
you are AFRAID to address it.


Nope. True. You have proved nothing.


That's a childish claim, considering you can't refute what I wrote.


There's nothing to refute, since you never proved that horseback
riding is so dangerous that it REQUIRES one to wear a helmet. Until
you do that, you are only blowing hot air, as usual. QED


The International Federation for Equestrian Sports REQUIRES helmets
for competition.


We aren't talking about competion, dum dum. We are talking about
normal riding on trails.


The United States Equestrian Federation REQUIRES all riders to wear
certified helmets while competing in Hunter, Jumpers, and Hunt Seat
Equitation classes, and in any other class, including Hunter Hack,
where jumping is required.


We aren't talking about competion, dum dum. We are talking about
normal riding on trails.


Normal mountain biking isn't competition either, thus it does NOT
require special equipment negating this entire thread you started.


Good. Then I hope you never wear a helmet, since it "isn't required".
Idiot.


I won't because I don't mountain bike, moron.
 




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