Does a trike put me on a collision course with traffic?

On Apr 11, 11:05*pm, Pat wrote:
On Apr 11, 9:02*am, ComandanteBanana
wrote:





On Apr 10, 11:57*pm, Pat wrote:

How can you deny that change is inevitable, constant and
unpredictable?

When did I make a claim to the contrary?

So if you believe that change will occur, why do you think it will
occur in every area of life except energy? *In energy is where is will
MOST likely occur because of it has a high economic motive.

I can see your game clearly through your thinly veiled excuses...

You are part of the problem; you pollute more than your fair share...
What's your best strategy, defense? Nah, discredit others who want to
do something. The best strategy for defense is offense. But your
camouflage is flawed.

Actually, I don't pollute that much ... and probably a lot less than
you do.

I live in a community that's primary electricity is hydro. *I have
wood to supplement that, but it's all off of construction sites that
would have gone to the landfill otherwise -- or would have rotted away
and released its carbon. *So my supplemental heat is carbon neutral.

I work out of my house and don't commute anywhere. *So there's no
commuting pollution. *Plus I don't have A/C, which causes a lot of
pollution.


If you are not hiding a dirty environmental footprint, then you really
must be retarded. Why you insist on critizing others? You do what you
can, where you can. I can't live without A/C where I live, but I could
ride a bike if they made it safe for me. But it ain't safe.

Just yesterday I was almost attacked for doing the right thing. The
guy blew the horn and I gave him the finger. I shouldn't have, but he
didn't have to harass me with the horn. It just happens that at that
particular draw bridge I'm supposed to walk the bike on the sidewalk!
No more biking on that road, or any other road shared with traffic.
I'll drive my girlfriend's Lexus...

Not until it's all part of an international campaign under the banner
of the revolution...

http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution

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Jack May wrote:
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On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:48:17 -0700, "Jack May"
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Sheesh! What is important is the total expenditure on transportation, not
merely what a regional government agency spends.

Governments have a budget they must live with. The question is do they
spend their limited fund wisely or foolishly. Transit is typically very
foolish spending by Governments.

When the costs of private vehicle operation are considered, transit
spending is a drop in the bucket.

99% of transportation in the US is with cars and other road vehicles. Less
than 1% is transit. The questions are cost per person and the economic
consequences of the mode transportation. Total cost does not affect
people. They are only affected by their cost. Just doing a total is not
rational.

Transit cost 10 to 100 times more per user than cars. That is major money
and not a drop in the bucket. There is also an extremely high cost of
transit in the lost opportunity to have a highly productive job in a highly
efficient economy to have a good standard of living.

Lack of mobility with transit is an extremely high cost to the economy as is
really apparent in third world economies. The cost of transit is also
extremely high to Governments which leads to major problems funding other
parts of Government.

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On Apr 12, 12:48 am, "Jack May" wrote:


No, you were implying that transit spending is much higher than that of
individualized private motorized transport, which is silly when total
expenditures are compared.

As I said above total cost has no affect on people. Individual cost is what
is important.

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Pat wrote:
On Apr 13, 3:22 am, Eric Vey wrote:
Pat wrote:


You and Jack are two of a kind. Both of you live in unusual places, but
you both look around and project what you see on the rest of the country.
Living in a dying part of the country and 3 blocks from a huge university
are not usual places.

I have lived in other places, I have traveled a lot and worked with people
in different parts of the country. We are not limited to understanding
only where we live, especially with the world wide media and extensive
communications we live with.

You are describing a 1900's farm life where people did not travel more than
10 miles away in their life time. That is not the real world in the 21st
Century.

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Jens Müller wrote:
Tom Sherman schrieb:

Pat and Jack May obviously have the belief that bipedal apes can overcome
any problem through technological development. That is foolish hubris,
since these bipedal apes are not all powerful. It will be amusing to
observe the reaction of the bipedal apes when the ecological limits of
what the Earth can support are exceeded for an extended period.

Well we bipedal apes have a long track record of solving problems. Since
problem solving with technology grows exponentially over time, there is a
very good chance we can continue to solve problems.

Again you are just ****ed because nobody probably considers you part of the
solution and will pay you for solutions.

Pat wrote:


Why do you persist to be such an egocentric and arrogant snot. The
whole world does live like you do, doesn't want to live like you do,
and won't ever live like you do. Just because a bike is good for you,
it doesn't mean it's good for everyone. You live in some hell-hole
city that you like, but lots and lots of people don't. It's a big
world out there. Look up and realize that the whole world isn't
paved. The whole would is urban. The whole world is bikable. The
whole world isn't compact. I drove 500 miles to a meeting and back,
yesterday. You'd still be on your bike.

Geez. Wake up and realize that you're not the only person on the
planet and that you don't have "the best" lifestyle.

Back at you.

"Look up and realize that the whole world isn't
[un]paved."

You choose to live in the boondocks where 500 mile trips are routine for
you. That is your choice, but realize that MOST people do not choose to
do what you do. Yet, you persist in reminding us of this choice you made
and making a big stink against people that only want to improve their
own locality.

"Geez. Wake up and realize that you're not the only person on the
planet and that you don't have "the best" lifestyle."

BTW, next time you drive past a "dead" dairy farm in the boondocks,
reflect upon the farmer and what ever happened to his sons. You know,
the sons that replied, "I'll do anything and go anywhere as long as I
don't have to smell cow ****!" when asked the usual questions boys are
asked.

Where did they all go?

Jack May wrote:
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On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:48:17 -0700, "Jack May"
wrote:


Sheesh! What is important is the total expenditure on transportation, not
merely what a regional government agency spends.

Governments have a budget they must live with. The question is do they
spend their limited fund wisely or foolishly. Transit is typically very
foolish spending by Governments.
When the costs of private vehicle operation are considered, transit
spending is a drop in the bucket.

99% of transportation in the US is with cars and other road vehicles. Less
than 1% is transit. The questions are cost per person and the economic
consequences of the mode transportation. Total cost does not affect
people. They are only affected by their cost. Just doing a total is not
rational.

Depending on an unsustainable system is not rational.

And if the government stopped subsidizing individualized motorized
transport, transit or cycling would be a lot more attractive to those
same individuals.

Transit cost 10 to 100 times more per user than cars.

Citation?

That is major money
and not a drop in the bucket. There is also an extremely high cost of
transit in the lost opportunity to have a highly productive job in a highly
efficient economy to have a good standard of living.

Most of those jobs in the US have been eliminated by the corporate
elite. Most of the technical jobs will also soon be exported to southern
Asia in the near future. Have an individualized motorized transportation
system that will allow commuting to those job?

Lack of mobility with transit is an extremely high cost to the economy as is
really apparent in third world economies. The cost of transit is also
extremely high to Governments which leads to major problems funding other
parts of Government.

Is that why the economies of northern and western Europe with highly
developed transit systems are currently doing better than the US
economy, and why the people in those countries have a higher quality of
life?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Eric Vey wrote:
Pat wrote:


Why do you persist to be such an egocentric and arrogant snot. The
whole world does live like you do, doesn't want to live like you do,
and won't ever live like you do. Just because a bike is good for you,
it doesn't mean it's good for everyone. You live in some hell-hole
city that you like, but lots and lots of people don't. It's a big
world out there. Look up and realize that the whole world isn't
paved. The whole would is urban. The whole world is bikable. The
whole world isn't compact. I drove 500 miles to a meeting and back,
yesterday. You'd still be on your bike.

Geez. Wake up and realize that you're not the only person on the
planet and that you don't have "the best" lifestyle.

Back at you.

"Look up and realize that the whole world isn't
[un]paved."

You choose to live in the boondocks where 500 mile trips are routine for
you. That is your choice, but realize that MOST people do not choose to
do what you do. Yet, you persist in reminding us of this choice you made
and making a big stink against people that only want to improve their
own locality.

"Geez. Wake up and realize that you're not the only person on the
planet and that you don't have "the best" lifestyle."

BTW, next time you drive past a "dead" dairy farm in the boondocks,
reflect upon the farmer and what ever happened to his sons. You know,
the sons that replied, "I'll do anything and go anywhere as long as I
don't have to smell cow ****!" when asked the usual questions boys are
asked.

Where did they all go?

The dairy farm failed because all the cows (not steers) were sold for
beef while in their milk producing prime.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Jack May wrote:
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Jack May wrote:
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On Apr 12, 12:48 am, "Jack May" wrote:

No, you were implying that transit spending is much higher than that of
individualized private motorized transport, which is silly when total
expenditures are compared.

As I said above total cost has no affect on people. Individual cost is what
is important.

Total cost has no effect? Does that money fall out of the sky as a gift
from heaven?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Jack May wrote:
"Eric Vey" wrote in message
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Pat wrote:
On Apr 13, 3:22 am, Eric Vey wrote:
Pat wrote:

You and Jack are two of a kind. Both of you live in unusual places, but
you both look around and project what you see on the rest of the country.
Living in a dying part of the country and 3 blocks from a huge university
are not usual places.

I have lived in other places, I have traveled a lot and worked with people
in different parts of the country. We are not limited to understanding
only where we live, especially with the world wide media and extensive
communications we live with.

You are describing a 1900's farm life where people did not travel more than
10 miles away in their life time. That is not the real world in the 21st
Century.

Sounds what life will be like for the survivors (if any) in the 22nd
Century.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful