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The good news is Wessex Trains have drop charges for reserving a bike
space, the bad news is they have banned non-folders from peak time services. From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/3702921.stm Bikes banned on peak-time trains Taking bicycles on trains during peak hours is to be banned by rail operator Wessex Trains. The company blames a sharp rise in passenger numbers for the ban, saying it has become problematic for them to compete for space with bikes. As a compromise Wessex has dropped charges for reserving cycle space during non-peak services. The order has been imposed on trains arriving in Bristol, Cardiff, Exeter, Plymouth and Truro. Wessex Trains Managing Director said: "Our peak services into the major towns and cities we serve have become very busy and we need to provide a balance for the benefit of all passengers." Peter Andrews, the director of Bristol-based Life Cycle said: "Getting bikes on trains has progressively become more difficult. "I can understand why they have imposed this ban when there are a lot of people standing, it's pushing it to expect a lot of bikes on the same train. "We would hope that newer trains, which could have flip-up seats, could solve this problem. We are trying to encourage the operators to think about doing this." The company will continue to allow folding bikes on trains. The ban runs between 0700 and 0900, then between 1600 and 1800. |
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Colin Blackburn wrote:
Peter Andrews, the director of Bristol-based Life Cycle said: "I can understand why they have imposed this ban when there are a lot of people standing, it's pushing it to expect a lot of bikes on the same train. Well done Peter, there's commitment for you! Why does Wessex Trains persist with cramped, 'sprinter' trains on cross-country routes? I'm thinking Portsmouth-Cardiff here -- a route I use quite often. |
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 14:28:51 +0100, "Simonb"
wrote: Colin Blackburn wrote: Peter Andrews, the director of Bristol-based Life Cycle said: "I can understand why they have imposed this ban when there are a lot of people standing, it's pushing it to expect a lot of bikes on the same train. Well done Peter, there's commitment for you! Why does Wessex Trains persist with cramped, 'sprinter' trains on cross-country routes? I'm thinking Portsmouth-Cardiff here -- a route I use quite often. I also (Portsmouth end; where are you?). The Bristol, Bath to South Coast Multi Modal Study recommended all sorts of upgrades to this v. busy service. The minimal improvement being the simple increase in the size of the trains. I just don't get it I'm afraid; Portsmouth to Cardiff is an intercity route not a local commuter service so why not run something bigger than the two carriage jobs they use at present. Unfortunately, until the capacity is increased the bike ban is acceptable. (Although, for consistency, they could also ban prams, pushchairs, big luggage and wheelchairs). Folders are still OK. |
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 18:12:32 +0100 someone who may be "[Not
Responding]" wrote this:- I just don't get it I'm afraid; Portsmouth to Cardiff is an intercity route not a local commuter service so why not run something bigger than the two carriage jobs they use at present. Given the level of leasing costs and the lack of alternative trains, what do you suggest? I have a suggestion. The four and five coach "Voyager" trains currently causing problems on other routes would probably be ideal for this line, but that means replacing them with better trains on the lines they currently use. There is no money to do this. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government prevents me using the RIP Act 2000. |
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Colin Blackburn wrote:
The good news is Wessex Trains have drop charges for reserving a bike space, the bad news is they have banned non-folders from peak time services. From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/3702921.stm Bikes banned on peak-time trains [...] Wessex Trains Managing Director said: "Our peak services into the major towns and cities we serve have become very busy and we need to provide a balance for the benefit of all passengers." Interesting use of the word 'all' there. -- Keith Willoughby http://flat222.org/keith/ "After my experience, I have come to hate war. War settles nothing." - Dwight D. Eisenhower |
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 19:15:15 +0100, David Hansen
wrote: On Tue, 11 May 2004 18:12:32 +0100 someone who may be "[Not Responding]" wrote this:- I just don't get it I'm afraid; Portsmouth to Cardiff is an intercity route not a local commuter service so why not run something bigger than the two carriage jobs they use at present. Given the level of leasing costs and the lack of alternative trains, what do you suggest? I'll admit that rail economics is out of my area of expertise. But *is* there a shortage of trains nationally? My limited knowledge extends to there being new electric trains and diesels for Virgin, new electrics for SWT and I think FGW have something shiny as well. What's happened to all the old stuff? If it's still around then surely supply and demand will take care of leasing rates. Maybe all the old stuff has been scrapped or runs on the wrong sort of electricity. In which case the TOCs need to raise prices a bit. Last time I did Portsmouth - Bath the advance ticket was less than the cost of the petrol alone had I driven. (IIRC: £16 UKP vs 150 miles @ 11p per mile petrol = £16.50 or £25 at a more realistic marginal cost of motoring) I have a suggestion. The four and five coach "Voyager" trains currently causing problems on other routes would probably be ideal for this line, but that means replacing them with better trains on the lines they currently use. There is no money to do this. |
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[Not Responding] wrote:
I also (Portsmouth end; where are you?). Southampton. I go up to Cardiff and Bath a lot on this service. Having to displace passengers in order to park the bike is pretty embarrassing (some of the looks you get!). Then again, I have paid extra to carry a bike on and it's not my fault there is no real provision for bikes (though sometimes they have a cupboard-type-thing for bikes). |
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"[Not Responding]" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, until the capacity is increased the bike ban is acceptable. (Although, for consistency, they could also ban prams, pushchairs, big luggage and wheelchairs). Folders are still OK. Even when crowded I've never had problems tucking my Brompton in the luggage rack at the end ;-) Tony |
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 20:11:55 +0100 someone who may be "[Not
Responding]" wrote this:- What's happened to all the old stuff? Most of it is not suitable, for many reasons. One of the reasons is that it tends to be slower than the newer trains and as a result the timetable would have to be rewritten to take account of the slower trains. That is not easy. As an example of the difficulties they can face, when the railways here did not get the last of the new trains as quickly as expected they had to keep some old trains running for a few months. The timetable had been rewritten for all new trains, so there was a problem as the old trains could not keep to it. The only solution was to remove the middle coach, which was the only one with a toilet, so the shortened old trains could keep to the timetable. If it's still around then surely supply and demand will take care of leasing rates. You didn't believe what the Tories said about rail privatisation did you? -- David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government prevents me using the RIP Act 2000. |
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