I NEED INCREDIBLY STRONG RIMS! I hear mixed reviews and don't know what to think; your help?

wizardB wrote:

The EX325 on a Hugi hub Built with gage spokes and brass nipples is
about as Bomb proof as you can make a wheel.IMHO

What are "gage" spokes?

pete fagerlin Wrote:
wizardB wrote:

The EX325 on a Hugi hub Built with gage spokes and brass nipples is
about as Bomb proof as you can make a wheel.IMHO

What are "gage" spokes?

He's probably talking about gauge, which is the spoke's thickness.

Quote from 'Sheldon Brown'
(http://sheldonbrown.com/wheelbuild.html#spokes) "-U.S./British 13
gauge is 2.3 mm
U.S./British 14 gauge is 2.0 mm
U.S./British 15 gauge is 1.8 mm
U.S./British 16 gauge is 1.6 mm-

Straight gauge have the same thickness all over, gauge 14, while butted
spokes are thinner in the middle. ) Straight gauge is cheapest, makes
stiff wheels and are easy to build. Butted spokes makes for more
durable wheels and can be trickier to build.

What kind of gauge he's talking about remains to be seen...


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dabac

dabac wrote:
pete fagerlin Wrote:
wizardB wrote:

The EX325 on a Hugi hub Built with gage spokes and brass nipples is
about as Bomb proof as you can make a wheel.IMHO
What are "gage" spokes?

He's probably talking about gauge, which is the spoke's thickness.

Quote from 'Sheldon Brown'
(http://sheldonbrown.com/wheelbuild.html#spokes) "-U.S./British 13
gauge is 2.3 mm
U.S./British 14 gauge is 2.0 mm
U.S./British 15 gauge is 1.8 mm
U.S./British 16 gauge is 1.6 mm-

Straight gauge have the same thickness all over, gauge 14, while butted
spokes are thinner in the middle. ) Straight gauge is cheapest, makes
stiff wheels and are easy to build. Butted spokes makes for more
durable wheels and can be trickier to build.

What kind of gauge he's talking about remains to be seen...


I was talking about 14 gauge 2.0mm it's pretty much the standard wheel
build here on the North Shore and the wheel take the rocks , root and
air just fine.

wizardB wrote:

I was talking about 14 gauge 2.0mm it's pretty much the standard wheel
build here on the North Shore and the wheel take the rocks , root and
air just fine.

If you're looking for a "bombproof" wheel then a straight
gauge spoke (with a traditional "j" bend") is not the best
choice, nor "as bomb proof as you can make a wheel.

pete fagerlin wrote:

wizardB wrote:

I was talking about 14 gauge 2.0mm it's pretty much the standard wheel
build here on the North Shore and the wheel take the rocks , root and
air just fine.

If you're looking for a "bombproof" wheel then a straight
gauge spoke (with a traditional "j" bend") is not the best
choice, nor "as bomb proof as you can make a wheel.

I'll pile on and agree with Pete... the butted spokes are actually
stronger in all the ways that matter. Straight gauge spokes
concentrate the stress at the elbow and base of the threads, where on
a butted spoke, it tends to be distributed along the thinner section
as well. They'll also be a bit easier on your rims. The fact they're
lighter and more aero is just icing on the cake.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame

Mark Hickey wrote:
I'll pile on and agree with Pete... the butted spokes are actually
stronger in all the ways that matter. Straight gauge spokes
concentrate the stress at the elbow and base of the threads, where on
a butted spoke, it tends to be distributed along the thinner section
as well. They'll also be a bit easier on your rims. The fact they're
lighter and more aero is just icing on the cake.

Or get a wheel that uses straight gauge spokes from Industry
Nine that address all of the shortcomings of "traditional"
straight gauge spokes (as described above).

pete fagerlin Wrote:
Mark Hickey wrote:
I'll pile on and agree with Pete... the butted spokes are actually
stronger in all the ways that matter. Straight gauge spokes
concentrate the stress at the elbow and base of the threads, where
on
a butted spoke, it tends to be distributed along the thinner section
as well. They'll also be a bit easier on your rims. The fact
they're
lighter and more aero is just icing on the cake.

Or get a wheel that uses straight gauge spokes from Industry
Nine that address all of the shortcomings of "traditional"
straight gauge spokes (as described above).

As long as we don't HOW his rims have broken in the past there really
isn't much point in discussing the various pros and cons of different
spokes. There isn't a spoke in the world that'll protect a wheel from
death due to direct impact. OTOH if they've been cracking around the
nipples, then it's another question and maybe going to butted spokes
would help him.


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dabac

dabac wrote:

pete fagerlin Wrote:
Mark Hickey wrote:
I'll pile on and agree with Pete... the butted spokes are actually
stronger in all the ways that matter. Straight gauge spokes
concentrate the stress at the elbow and base of the threads, where
on
a butted spoke, it tends to be distributed along the thinner section
as well. They'll also be a bit easier on your rims. The fact
they're
lighter and more aero is just icing on the cake.

Or get a wheel that uses straight gauge spokes from Industry
Nine that address all of the shortcomings of "traditional"
straight gauge spokes (as described above).

As long as we don't HOW his rims have broken in the past there really
isn't much point in discussing the various pros and cons of different
spokes. There isn't a spoke in the world that'll protect a wheel from
death due to direct impact. OTOH if they've been cracking around the
nipples, then it's another question and maybe going to butted spokes
would help him.

Yep - you're right... I didn't really make clear that a spoke is
pretty much irrelevant once the rim is deflected to the point there's
no longer any tension on it, so the spoke's not going to prevent
flat-spotting the rim. There might be very slight localized
differences in the way a particular portion of the rim responds to an
impact due to adjacent spoke loading, but I think it's fair to say
that it's not gonna make a whole lot of difference in the real world.

The effect I was (vaguely) discussing was the cracking of rims around
the spoke holes (which is less likely on a wheel built with butted
spokes).

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame

I already use butted spokes, so what's the take on a set of Hope Hugi
hubs?