Should we make people pass a cycling/motorcycle test before a drivingtest?

On Oct 12, 6:27 am, "Road_Hog" wrote:
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"ComandanteBanana" wrote in message
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Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
or pedestrians in real life.

Simply some people should not be driving!

uk.rec.driving

meet the obsessed, militant footsoldiers you share the road with.

I think you all need to talk this through

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These would be spared, right?

http://www.phatcycles.com/soon.htm

The lady is cute, but the bicycle looks like a stupid motorcycle.

On Oct 12, 7:02 am, Halmyre wrote:
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"ComandanteBanana" wrote in message
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Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
or pedestrians in real life.

Simply some people should not be driving!

uk.rec.driving

meet the obsessed, militant footsoldiers you share the road with.

I think you all need to talk this through

Trouble is, there's no such thing as a cycling test, which is blatantly
obvious when you observe the behaviour of cyclists.

I think cyclists are left anarchists by nature, unlike motorcyclists
who are right Libertarians.

On Oct 12, 2:15 pm, Jym Dyer wrote:
[Removed from rec.bicycles.rides where this was NEVER on-topic.]

=v= The potential and actual damages of bicycles don't come
anywhere near those of motorized vehicles. It's simply not
worth the price of the bureaucracy involved.

=v= If the world's most repressive regimes can get by without
demanding licensing of bicyclists, I think free countries could
somehow manage to muddle through without it as well.
_Jym_

The most repressive regimes allow cyclists to be fair game for the
SUVs.

Hunting season usually is in the summer time.

On Oct 12, 5:08 pm, "alan.holmes" wrote:
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"ComandanteBanana" wrote in message
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Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
or pedestrians in real life.

Simply some people should not be driving!

uk.rec.driving

meet the obsessed, militant footsoldiers you share the road with.

I think you all need to talk this through

ALL car drivers shold have to ride a cycle for at least a year on the road
every day before getting a driving licence for a car.

It would better that they drive first an SUV, and then all the way
down to a bicycle.

The drivers of the former have a lower IQ than those on two wheels.

(KingOfTheApes=ComandanteBanana, but I don't mean any offense to
anyone here)

On Oct 12, 7:25*pm, Phil W Lee phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk
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ComandanteBanana considered Fri, 10 Oct
2008 15:03:00 -0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write:

Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
or pedestrians in real life.

Simply some people should not be driving!

I'd go further, and have a mandatory route through increasing weight
of vehicle, starting with a bicycle, then moped, small motorcycle,
performance motorcycle, small car, high performance car, larger car or
van, SUV, rigid truck or bus, articulated truck or bus.
Use for hire or reward an additional test, at any level (but
separately testable for each subsequent level attained).
Trailers to be an additional test, at any appropriate level (but
separately testable for each subsequent level attained).
The only optional classes should be the performance ones, other than
that, the preceding one is the only way of obtaining a provisional
licence for the next class up.
Possible disability exemptions, but drivers so exempted should be
identifiable, so people can make allowances.
Put a branch in for agricultural vehicles, alongside SUVs.

So everyone would start on a bicycle, and once they had been using it
long enough, they could take a test that would qualify them to learn
to use a moped (if they wanted to).
Once they'd passed the moped test, they would become eligable to learn
to ride a small motorcycle.
etc. etc. up through the grades.

I'd also adopt the "assumed liability" laws from the Netherlands,
where in the absence of evidence to the contrary, the driver of the
larger vehicle in any incident is assumed to be at fault.

As well as safety benefits, this licencing scheme would provide a
relatively soft landing for road users when the oil runs out or
becomes too expensive to waste on non-essential travel.

It makes so much sense. Now do we convince our candidates that such an
idea should be a presidential issue?

It should right up there with the designer glasses worn by Ms. Palin.


Look, they're all eyeing those Palin glasses

A self-confessed "pitbull in lipstick" and "hockey mum", Palin is
finding her niche in the fashion industry with her Kazuo Kawasaki
rimless eyeglasses.

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/N...cle/index_html

"Pitbull in lipstick" almost sounds like "lion in lipstick." They are
real hungry.

On Oct 13, 10:38 pm, "S'mee" wrote:
On Oct 13, 5:41 pm, ComandanteBanana
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On Oct 11, 11:29 am, "S'mee" wrote:

On Oct 10, 9:30 pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:

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"S'mee" writes:

Uh you obviously FAILED at both critical reading and thinking. He said
if you can't ride a bicycle(pushbike in barbarian lands) or ride a
motorcycle you shouldn't be aloud to drive anything at all...not a bad

^^^^^

Go back to bed.

Sleep is for the weak and my spelling is notorious. 8^/

idea too bad I thought of it back when I started riding back in '76.

Good for you.

Yabbut nobody listens to the ideas of a kid.

At least we're free to rebut.

Without getting decapitated. Just investigated ;-)
Water boarded, violated (just searching for contraband comrad)
And that's what's better about Western/New World society.
I thought it was the beer and single malt whiskeys. mmm, single malt,
mmm hic.

Go back to bed.

I was still up from a nice 6am start that day.

Maybe have a tomato juice in the morning.

Why I've coffee, a piece of tail and no hangover...some of us are
responsible. Unlike over half of america.

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Yes...I vote that nobody votes for either party. Anyway we need MORE
parties...even if they are socialist democratic christians. We need
some parties fun to laugh at not easy.
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I say a vote for Obama may be a mistake, but a vote for McPain would
be a unforgiveable.

I'm with the majority that does NOT vote.

On Oct 13, 11:22 pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:
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"S'mee" writes:

Yes...I vote that nobody votes for either party. Anyway we need MORE
parties...even if they are socialist democratic christians. We need
some parties fun to laugh at not easy.

A party sounds good to me.

'Xcept I gotta go to work tomorrow.

What the heck -- I vote we have a party!
With whores d'ouevres and absinthe cocktails
and deli platters and good tunes and dancing,
and a scientific guy to fascinatedly listen to
for a brief while, and then walk away from in
the throes of ennui.

And valet bicycle parking.

cheers, & the situation is hopeless but not serious,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

Then come to Miami on Nov. 9th, bike celebration time! Some new bike
lanes and valet parking for bikes. The hookers you have to get on your
own, but Biscayne Blvd is nearby. Just be ready to put with Banana
Republic politics.

With the Banana Revolution we plan to have the girls free, since we
plan to bring the Dutch model over here. Yes, the bike facilities are
included.

On Oct 12, 5:08 pm, "alan.holmes" wrote:
"BOFH" wrote in message

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"ComandanteBanana" wrote in message
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Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
or pedestrians in real life.

Simply some people should not be driving!

uk.rec.driving

meet the obsessed, militant footsoldiers you share the road with.

I think you all need to talk this through

ALL car drivers shold have to ride a cycle for at least a year on the road
every day before getting a driving licence for a car.

Alan

And then if the survive they'll get points toward the Driver's
License. Makes sense.

It also makes sense that we adopt the British system by which the new
licensees get to bear the letter L for learner. And then if they never
learn they should bear the letter S for stupid.

A lot of them in America.

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Sorry, I didn't provide more info...

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=474893

No, I won't be there because the bike lanes won't be anywhere near
where I live. ;(

(I quote here)

I could not believe my eyes when I read this article in the paper this
morning. Is this the same Miami I live and bike in? Miami,
acknowledged road rage capital of the US, where cars aim at cyclists
on the street, where I get yelled at on a weekly basis to "get the
f@ck off the road!"

Originally Posted by Szczuldo
"the OP's "test" is completely moronic, it will not teach a driver
anything about cyclists and how to react when they are on the same
road. If anything, new drivers need to spend a certain amount of time
on a bike on the road. Quite possibly on a tandem with an instructor
as the stoker except he also has access to the brakes. If new drivers
do not understand what it's like to be a cyclist on the road, then as
drivers they will not know where to look for them and could quite
possibly hit them. If they spend enough time on a bike and see how
drivers disrespect bike riders maybe they'll learn and not do it
themselves. The amount of time spent on a bike with an instructor
should be 1.5 or 2x as much as time with an instructor spent in a car,
and of course should also be done first."

As opposed to licensing people "factory style," where the instructor
and the test provider all work to produce as many drivers as
possible.