Ride an SUB not an SUV

--Electric cars - - - add a million to the world fleet, and then tell
me how your gonna recharge them.

Either look at the bigger picture, or go back to jousting with your
SUV Windmill.--

As a matter of fact, windmills are a good solution --in some cases.
And in some other cases is the bike, and then public transportation
and so on. So the solution is MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION combined with
MULTIMODAL ENERGY, meaning options like the Ethanol or Hydrogen
fuels...

What we need though is the POLITICAL WILL --or THE REVOLUTION-- to
make it happen.

"Global warming may or may not be the great environmental crisis of
the next century, but -- regardless of whether it is or isn't -- we
won't do much about it. We will (I am sure) argue ferociously over it
and may even, as a nation, make some fairly solemn-sounding
commitments to avoid it. But the more dramatic and meaningful these
commitments seem, the less likely they are to be observed. Little will
be done. . . . Global warming promises to become a gushing source of
national hypocrisy.''

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...070400789.html

--show me a car that a poor person can afford today that is fuel
efficient and clean--

The bike, public transportation, car pooling, car sharing... they all
are available cheap options to the public. However because they are
just plain dangerous (the bike) or never spoken about, they are out of
mind for most folks. A good campaign may start by putting bin Laden on
the passenger seat...

"The terrorists who attacked America weren't being funded primarily by
drug money. They were being funded primarily by oil money. In other
words, it isn't the drug addicts who should feel guilty. It's the
gasoline addicts."

(some info here for those who want to start THE REVOLUTION)

So you say you want a revolution? Well, we all want to change the
world. So what? Quit bitching and moaning, quit bellyaching, and get
off your duff. There is no way to change the world by sitting on your
ass in an air conditioned room, even if you listen to nothing but
early Dylan and read nothing but Hunter Thompson. You can't change the
world unless you change yourself first. As Gandhi used to say, "Be the
change you want to see in the world".

http://www.faulkingtruth.com/Article...ning/1054.html

MORE OPTIONS HERE...
http://www.mycommute.org/site/options

On 13 Apr 2007 11:27:43 -0700, "donquijote1954"
wrote:

As a matter of fact, windmills are a good solution --in some cases.

Windmills are a good supplement. In the U.S. with tax breaks and
setasides, even the oil companies are buying lots, but its a huge
investment and it doesn't add up to much as a percentage of the power
needed and in the windiest areas they aren't reliable enough to
support even a small grid on their own. Windmills are not a solution.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

"donquijote1954" wrote in message
ups.com...


"The terrorists who attacked America weren't being funded primarily by
drug money. They were being funded primarily by oil money. In other
words, it isn't the drug addicts who should feel guilty. It's the
gasoline addicts."


So where did this "oil money" come from? Before you answer, be careful,
you about to justify the Iraq War.

In article ,
Baxter wrote:

"Matthew T. Russotto" wrote in message
et...

Fantasy. Utter fantasy. Remove the US occupation and you still have left
every grudge, every grievance, every complaint that one Iraqi group
has against another, not to mention the complaints they have with
Iraq's neighbors (and Iraq's neighbors likely ambitions in Iraq). The
idea that Iraq is filled with reasonable people turned to radicalism
by the US occupation is simply a fairy tale.

Leave them to work out their own problems. Or do you think we should be a
Nanny State?

Oh, no, I agree that the US should withdraw. I simply disagree about
the outcome of that withdrawal.


--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.

In article ABKTh.2406$vD4.975@bigfe9,
Amy Blankenship wrote:


That's plain silly. Republicans don't even let their children watch Harry
Potter, because they believe it might lead them to believe in magic.

Nonsense. There are many enlightened Republicans who have no problem
with magic. THEY don't allow their children to watch Harry Potter
because the Malfoys hit a little too close to home.



--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.

In article ,
dgk wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:56:11 -0500,
(Matthew T. Russotto) wrote:

Fantasy. Utter fantasy. Remove the US occupation and you still have left
every grudge, every grievance, every complaint that one Iraqi group
has against another, not to mention the complaints they have with
Iraq's neighbors (and Iraq's neighbors likely ambitions in Iraq). The
idea that Iraq is filled with reasonable people turned to radicalism
by the US occupation is simply a fairy tale.

Look at Iran. Before we invaded Iraq, the mullahs were clinging to
power and there were large pro-western demonstrations. As soon as we
invaded, the mullahs were firmly back in power.

Before we invaded Iraq, the mullahs in Iran had been in power for many
years, and they still remain so. They were never in any danger of
being ousted.


I repeat Matthew, what was the Iraq invasion all about? Come on, you
know.

Actually, I don't. It wasn't about oil, or at least not in the
obvious way. The fact that Saddam took a shot at Bush's daddy
probably had something to do with it.

And you are wrong about Iran. The mullahs were losing their grip on
power. Our invasion of Iraq ended that, for the short term.

The mullahs have supposedly been losing their grip since the joke "The
Ayatollah Khomeni thanks you on behalf of the moderates in Iran" was
current, during the Reagan era. All wishful thinking.

--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.

Curtis L. Russell wrote:
On 13 Apr 2007 11:27:43 -0700, "donquijote1954"
wrote:

As a matter of fact, windmills are a good solution --in some cases.

Windmills are a good supplement. In the U.S. with tax breaks and
setasides, even the oil companies are buying lots, but its a huge
investment and it doesn't add up to much as a percentage of the power
needed and in the windiest areas they aren't reliable enough to
support even a small grid on their own. Windmills are not a solution.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Has anybody looked at the current generation of high-tech (sic) windmills?
They are a joke, and bird killers to boot.
The best windmill designs were those that were in use in the 1930's when
the TVA project demanded that a farmer take down or disable his windmill
to get power to the farm. Obviously that would take enough electricity
to pay for running out the electricity so the farmer could have electric
lights. The new, 3 skinny blade windmills are a joke since 90% of the
air pass right through the gaps.
The intake vanes of a modern jet engine show how a windmill should be
designed, along with a feathering mechanism for windy days.
Too much thinking for the current crop of over-educated dimwits.
Bill Baka

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:31:11 -0700, Bill wrote:

Curtis L. Russell wrote:
On 13 Apr 2007 11:27:43 -0700, "donquijote1954"
wrote:

As a matter of fact, windmills are a good solution --in some cases.

Windmills are a good supplement. In the U.S. with tax breaks and
setasides, even the oil companies are buying lots, but its a huge
investment and it doesn't add up to much as a percentage of the power
needed and in the windiest areas they aren't reliable enough to
support even a small grid on their own. Windmills are not a solution.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Has anybody looked at the current generation of high-tech (sic) windmills?
They are a joke, and bird killers to boot.

Oh, F the damn birds. Sit under the damn thing with a net, pluck 'em, fry at
350 degrees.

The best windmill designs were those that were in use in the 1930's when
the TVA project demanded that a farmer take down or disable his windmill
to get power to the farm. Obviously that would take enough electricity
to pay for running out the electricity so the farmer could have electric
lights. The new, 3 skinny blade windmills are a joke since 90% of the
air pass right through the gaps.

Will still produce 10 Kw from a 27 foot fan in a 12 mph wind, so they can't be
all that bad.

The intake vanes of a modern jet engine show how a windmill should be
designed, along with a feathering mechanism for windy days.
Too much thinking for the current crop of over-educated dimwits.
Bill Baka

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Do stay on track - the issue is whether we spend hundreds of
billions
of
dollars on Iraqi's or whether we spend a tenth of that on
our
own
people.

(and yes, there are reports that elections are not
particularly
fair
in
LA.)

Then why did you bring up your feeling that the people of
Louisiana
are
somehow downtrodden in a way that Mississippians aren't?

Your question is nonsensical.

Obviously you don't have an answer then.

No, your question is nonsensical in this context. Your question
might
be
more appropriate in context with the US Attorneys firings that are
in
the
news.

I see you've learned one of George Conklin's less admirable
techniques...If
someone disagrees with you or questions you further, declare the
comment/question irrelevant, drivel, or nonsensical. Nice :-)

Then suppose you detail that relevance for us?

That's what I was asking you to do.

Let's see - you want *me* to explain the relelavance of *your*
response?!
That's the sort of thing Conklin does.

No, I want you to explain why you think your feeling that the people of
New
Orleans are somehow uniquely downtrodden has anything to do with the topic
of this threat or even this forum as a whole. And as an aside, do you
have
any direct experience of the area that was hit by Katrina to base your
reaction on?

"Feeling that the people of New Orleans are somehow uniquely downtrodden"
are YOUR words - YOU explain them.