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Should Cyclists Pack Guns?
On May 2, 1:00 pm, wrote:
On May 2, 12:10 pm, Turby wrote: On 2 May 2007 07:23:29 -0700, wrote: Again - so many fearful people in this country. It's kind of sad. Yeah, it is. The statistics say that one out of three women in America will be sexually assaulted in her lifetime. and if I carry my gun while riding/running in a rural area, I will be able to protect myself! Oh? Do you have a citation for that? I'd like to see it. For it to be true, the definition of "sexually assault" must be very broad, indeed! How broad do you want? Being touched, groped, penetrated or sodomized, I call all that rape if I don't want it. Isn't it easy for men to say these things. I don't think that a man getting ready to go for a ride will ask himself if he will get hurt or raped while out by himself. But even if true (which I seriously doubt) ISTM the solution isn't for all women to pack guns all the time. Runway models wearing holsters might turn on a few NRA fans, but it's not likely to catch on with other folks. Good for you if you don't want to ride with a gun...again, I would much rather be safe than sorry. I will not become a statistic. And carrying a gun gives me some type of protection agains the weirdos out there. If you don't like it, too bad. Thats what makes America Great. Ladies out there, get a gun, be protected. - Frank Krygowski |
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On May 2, 1:07 pm, evelyn wrote:
On May 2, 1:00 pm, wrote: On May 2, 12:10 pm, Turby wrote: On 2 May 2007 07:23:29 -0700, wrote: Again - so many fearful people in this country. It's kind of sad. Yeah, it is. The statistics say that one out of three women in America will be sexually assaulted in her lifetime. and if I carry my gun while riding/running in a rural area, I will be able to protect myself! Oh? Do you have a citation for that? I'd like to see it. For it to be true, the definition of "sexually assault" must be very broad, indeed! How broad do you want? Being touched, groped, penetrated or sodomized, I call all that rape if I don't want it. Isn't it easy for men to say these things. I don't think that a man getting ready to go for a ride will ask himself if he will get hurt or raped while out by himself. But even if true (which I seriously doubt) ISTM the solution isn't for all women to pack guns all the time. Runway models wearing holsters might turn on a few NRA fans, but it's not likely to catch on with other folks. Good for you if you don't want to ride with a gun...again, I would much rather be safe than sorry. I will not become a statistic. And carrying a gun gives me some type of protection agains the weirdos out there. If you don't like it, too bad. Thats what makes America Great. Ladies out there, get a gun, be protected. - Frank Krygowski- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Is this gun of yours carried at the hip or in your camelpak or bag? |
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On May 2, 1:29 pm, Marz wrote:
On May 2, 1:07 pm, evelyn wrote: On May 2, 1:00 pm, wrote: On May 2, 12:10 pm, Turby wrote: On 2 May 2007 07:23:29 -0700, wrote: Again - so many fearful people in this country. It's kind of sad. Yeah, it is. The statistics say that one out of three women in America will be sexually assaulted in her lifetime. and if I carry my gun while riding/running in a rural area, I will be able to protect myself! Oh? Do you have a citation for that? I'd like to see it. For it to be true, the definition of "sexually assault" must be very broad, indeed! How broad do you want? Being touched, groped, penetrated or sodomized, I call all that rape if I don't want it. Isn't it easy for men to say these things. I don't think that a man getting ready to go for a ride will ask himself if he will get hurt or raped while out by himself. But even if true (which I seriously doubt) ISTM the solution isn't for all women to pack guns all the time. Runway models wearing holsters might turn on a few NRA fans, but it's not likely to catch on with other folks. Good for you if you don't want to ride with a gun...again, I would much rather be safe than sorry. I will not become a statistic. And carrying a gun gives me some type of protection agains the weirdos out there. If you don't like it, too bad. Thats what makes America Great. Ladies out there, get a gun, be protected. - Frank Krygowski- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Is this gun of yours carried at the hip or in your camelpak or bag?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I wear on my hip. It doesn't interfere with my biking. I'm not a "patron of the Fearmonger's Shop" like Pat suggests but I'm of the mind set that its better to be safe than sorry. I live in rural Virginia where almost everyone has guns in their trucks and in their houses. |
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On May 2, 1:44 pm, Patrick Lamb wrote:
(newsgroups trimmed a bit...) wrote: On May 2, 12:10 pm, Turby wrote: On 2 May 2007 07:23:29 -0700, wrote: Again - so many fearful people in this country. It's kind of sad. Yeah, it is. The statistics say that one out of three women in America will be sexually assaulted in her lifetime. Oh? Do you have a citation for that? I'd like to see it. For it to be true, the definition of "sexually assault" must be very broad, indeed! I've seen similar statistics before. Doesn't mean it's right, but it's become (becoming?) conventional wisdom. But even if true (which I seriously doubt) ISTM the solution isn't for all women to pack guns all the time. If you take 70 years as the mean life span, and 1/3 of the women in the US are assaulted, you're chance of being sexually assaulted today is something like 1 out of 75,000. It wouldn't be worth it to me to pack a pistol every day, given that remote a chance, but if one was a regular patron of the Fearmonger's Shop like "evelyn" seems to be, maybe one might think it worthwhile for onesself. Pat What do you suggest women do? I've taken self defense classes, karate classes and finally a class to be certified to carry a fire arm. I'm not living in the fairy tale world where nothing bad ever happens. Even in rural, country communities, crime can occur. I don't think there is any problem with women carrying guns. Evelyn |
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In article ,
Turby wrote: Yeah, it is. The statistics say that one out of three women in America will be sexually assaulted in her lifetime. Using some definition of "sexual assault" which includes crude come-ons, I'm sure. Or finding out the Mercedes was borrowed. -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. |
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evelyn wrote: How broad do you want? Being touched, groped, penetrated or sodomized, I call all that rape if I don't want it. Then get a better definition, because you're cheapening the word "rape". -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. |
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On May 2, 2:14 pm, (Matthew T. Russotto)
wrote: In article .com, evelyn wrote: How broad do you want? Being touched, groped, penetrated or sodomized, I call all that rape if I don't want it. Then get a better definition, because you're cheapening the word "rape". -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. maybe i should clarify: being touched, groped, penetrated or sodomized, I call all that SEXUAL ASSAULT if I don't want it. does this sound better? You are right, I don't want to cheapen the word "rape" |
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evelyn wrote: BUT....As I agree that I have the right to carry a gun, I don't agree with owning the crazy machine guns, we don't need them, hunters don't need them; the sole purpose is to kill. What's your 38 for? Face it, some people just need killin'. You are stupid...yea, I carry my gun so that I can shoot people when I'm out riding my bike! Yep, thats me. Again, you are an idiot. I carry my legal gun (I have passed all the requirements for carring it) so that I am protected. You must know that there are rapist and murderers everywhere and I would use my gun for protection. Exactly. Like I said, some people just need killin'. That would be the rapists and muggers... I am not going out for a bike ride and looking to shoot someone! Of course not. DPH |
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evelyn wrote in
ups.com: On May 1, 3:41 pm, Jim Yanik wrote: evelyn wrote oups.com: Hi! I just read a couple of the items here...but I am a cyclist who packs. I have a 38 revolver that fits right into a fanny pack that I wear when I ride. I am a female and ride in rural areas by myself (haven't found a riding partner yet!) and I will not be a woman who goes out for a ride or a run and not come back. I am not concerned with time or the extra weight that the gun adds. I would rather be safe than sorry. BUT....As I agree that I have the right to carry a gun, I don't agree with owning the crazy machine guns, we don't need them, hunters don't need them; the sole purpose is to kill. Uh,the Second Amendment is not about hunting or sporting.It's about having the means to "alter or to abolish" a government gone bad,as it states in the Declaration of Independence. It's not about "need",either.Government does not get to determine what law abiding citizens "need" or don't need. And sometimes,it's necessary to kill a bad guy. (and why do YOU carry a gun then?) Yea, I really go for a ride and look for people to shoot! I will use my gun for self protection if needed. Against anyone or anything. Are you aware that to legally OWN a machine gun,one must have a REGISTERED MG,and be background checked,fingerprinted,pay a $200 Federal tax,and get the approval of a local law enforcement official(LEO)? And in some states,you STILL can't own a full-auto weapon. GOOD for that! The number of legal registered MGs is FIXED,and one cannot buy NEW full- auto firearms since 1968.(excluding government and LEOs) Also,only ONE legally owned,registered machine gun has been criminally used since the 1934 NFA was enacted. However lots of people DO own full-auto firearms,and shoot them for sport.They are VERY expensive because of the limited supply of *registered* weapons. Any time you see or read about machine guns being used in crimes,they are not LEGALLY OWNED,and were likely smuggled into the US,or illegal conversions of legal semi-auto guns. BTW,the Federal Gov't is missing over 600 of their guns,some machine guns. Orlando police had two MG's stolen from a unmarked patrol car,one a silenced machine pistol.Other PDs are missing/"lost" some of their guns. One year,it was found that 40% of guns recovered from crimes in DC were missing from the DC police EVIDENCE LOCKER.Police were illegally selling guns from the evidence lockers. I do agree that it is too easy to get guns in the US, and there are too many out there. Thanks, Evelyn Ziennker-Lee Virginia I hope you have the proper carry permit for legal concealed carry. Otherwise,you also are a criminal. UGH, yes I have the proper permit,,,do you think that I just went out and got a gun to carry? I go to the shooting range at least once a month and will use my gun if needed. IIRC,open carry is legal in VA. That means you could legally carry it in a *visible* holster,but not IN a fanny pack. I really don't care if my gun is "visible" to others, I have it and it gives me a sense of protection. What are you gonna do, arrest me? I'm not a cop. (and in some states,allowing your "concealed" firearm to inadvertantly show is grounds for revocation of your permit.Since VA has "open carry,that's not a concern for you,*in VA*. Travel to other states,and you could be in trouble.) Yes, If someone stops my and tries to do bodily harm, I will use my 38, I will shoot whoever it is! That why I carry it! don't get your panties in a wad; your post showed you don't have much knowledge about guns or gun laws. I'm GLAD you are a lawful gun owner and have a permit and are prepared in case you are attacked. What bugs me is gun owners who feel only THEIR sort of gun should be permitted,such as hunters being against handguns,"military-style" semi-auto rifles,or "assault weapons". And that CRAP about "need" REALLY bugs me. Some uncaring politician or gov't official could have easily decided YOU don't "need" a gun for protection,as if they know better than you what threats you may encounter. That happens in a number of US states. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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