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Old April 15th 21, 01:18 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 2:11:50 PM UTC-5, wrote:

This is suppose to be a cycling technology newsgroup. Should you be
getting the latest technology such as titanium or carbon fiber?

I had my tibio-fibular syndesmosis (dense fibrous ligament holding the two lower leg bones together just above the ankle) stabilized with two screws made of polylactic acid (a biologically resorbable plastic). This was over three years ago, and the screws were gone after about 9 months. No second surgery.
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Old April 15th 21, 03:48 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 15:37:34 -0400, Frank Krygowski
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Wow. I'm completely non-bionic.


I've got a piece of wire in my collar bone, and decades later the
surgeon doing a biopsy left a "clip" to mark the place where the
sample was taken.

I don't know how many of my teeth are fake or partly fake -- but I ate
rib tips today, at an age when the plurality of people are dead.
Modern dentistry rocks!

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Old April 15th 21, 06:12 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Joy Beeson wrote:
On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 15:37:34 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

Wow. I'm completely non-bionic.


I've got a piece of wire in my collar bone, and decades later the
surgeon doing a biopsy left a "clip" to mark the place where the
sample was taken.

I don't know how many of my teeth are fake or partly fake -- but I ate
rib tips today, at an age when the plurality of people are dead.
Modern dentistry rocks!


As long as you can still eat, sleep, enjoy life and post here, I’m not sure
it matters how much of you has been replaced. You could be the living
embodiment of George Washington’s axe.

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Old April 15th 21, 04:10 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 11:23:00 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/14/2021 11:41 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:16:26 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.corriere.it/sport/21_apr...e940a2d0.shtml

Broken wrist. I did not recognize the term 'osteosynthesis
surgery' but that means something like 'patch':

http://www.yellowjersey.org/WRISTNU.JPG

For that wrist to work normally without pain they have to remove all of that metal and all four screws or else arthritis will occur later in life. Nibali isn't a spring chicken and should have known a lot better than trying to catch himself with this hand rather than just using them to deflect himself into a rollover.
"later in life"



How late? That image is my very own bionic upgrade from
2006. After the first year I don't even notice it. Same
experience for me in every stainless bone patch.


Multiple injuries to the joints invariably leads to arthritis and often just a single injury bad enough to require metal reinforcement will as well. That is why they now use a biodegradable plastic.
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Old April 15th 21, 04:46 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 4/14/2021 1:23 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 12:45:32 PM UTC-7, Mark J. wrote:
On 4/14/2021 12:11 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 11:24:15 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:41:32 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:16:26 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.corriere.it/sport/21_apr...e940a2d0.shtml

Broken wrist. I did not recognize the term 'osteosynthesis
surgery' but that means something like 'patch':

http://www.yellowjersey.org/WRISTNU.JPG
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For that wrist to work normally without pain they have to remove all of that metal and all four screws or else arthritis will occur later in life. Nibali isn't a spring chicken and should have known a lot better than trying to catch himself with this hand rather than just using them to deflect himself into a rollover.

That's not true. Hardware usually stays in unless it becomes infected or causes mechanical pain. Hardware may limit movement for a variety of reasons, but it does not cause arthritis (absent infection). In fact, there is a lower rate of arthritis with ORIF than with closed reduction and casting. I had the plate and screws in my right ankle removed because they were misplaced, and pressure from my ski boot caused the screw heads to pop through my skin and bleed. I was the orthopedic Jesus with my ankle stigmata. I have a rod in my right tibia and broke a locking screw and had that removed, too. I still have the rod. I have well installed plate in my left ankle that will remain there until death. I have a tiny plate and screws in my hand that will also stay put.
-- Jay Beattie.

This is suppose to be a cycling technology newsgroup. Should you be
getting the latest technology such as titanium or carbon fiber?

"Biomechanics of bone-fracture fixation by stiffness-graded
plates in comparison with stainless-steel plates"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1192810/

Or, maybe go high tech and have the bones stitched back together?

"New surgical techniques - stitching up bones"
https://www.dw.com/en/new-surgical-techniques-stitching-up-bones/av-17997929

Jay didn't say that his hardware *wasn't* titanium. I think it's pretty
commonly used, but I could be wrong. I'm saying that based on a tour
some 15 years ago that my brother gave me of the orthopedic
rod/plate/screw manufacturing facility where he worked, but the details
are foggy. What I really remember were the *extensive* quality-control
requirements.

Mark J.


My removed plate and screws were SS. I think Ti is more common for implants. My IM nail (rod) may be Ti. There is ton of QC on these things and they have to receive FDA approval under Medical Device Act, which is typically 510(k) approval, a much shorter process for new iterations of common products. Bad designs still creep through, as you can tell from all the class action ads.

-- Jay Beattie.

What I remember wasn't QC of design issues - that must have been there
too - but rather QC of the input materials. When they got some stock,
rather than waiting for it to be approved for metallurgical purity (at
whatever standard) before using it, they cut off a sample for testing.
Then they rigorously tracked every single part they made from that piece
of stock so they could tie it back to the sample, in case the sample
came back from testing "not OK". Kind of an "every screw has a serial
number" thing.

Mark J.
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Old April 16th 21, 01:54 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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I didn't know what "rib tips" were until recently, so I wonder how
many of you knew the significance of being able to eat them? The
description on the menu said "gristle" but it's actually cartilage,
and downright crunchy.

I was surprised to find that the cylinders of cartilage that are too
hard to chew can be cut easily with a sharp knife. I could have cut
them thin enough to eat, but even a dedicated bone-gnawer does have
limits.

There were only two little pieces of bone in ten rib tips. (No, I
didn't eat all of them at one sitting; I had the largest left-over tip
for lunch today, and the remaining three for supper.) (The fifth was
yesterday's bedtime snack.)

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Yes, food is on-topic in every newsgroup, but barbecued meat is lousy
bike fuel.

Unless you have it *after* the ride. On the bike tour of Southern
England, after an unusual sixty-mile day I ordered trout because the
restaurant got it from a nearby stream -- only to find that trout is a
delicate dish that must be eaten one fine bone at a time.

To make matters worse, I didn't have enough sense to reject the tiny
juice glass of milk and say "I ordered a pint". England had
wonderful dairy products -- and wouldn't let you have any.

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Old April 16th 21, 12:44 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thursday, April 15, 2021 at 8:54:57 PM UTC-4, Joy Beeson wrote:

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Yes, food is on-topic in every newsgroup, but barbecued meat is lousy
bike fuel.

Unless you have it *after* the ride.


Fat is the best bike fuel, unless you're constantly working at or above your aerobic threshold. If you aren't a racer, stay away from the carbs. That said, bbq is an excellent fuel. Tons of studies and research have been conducted in this area. The book "paleo diet for athletes" goes into great detail with plenty of supported research citations, and no, it isn't a militant diet book. It espouse an "80/20" philosophy, where taking in foods that are strictly forbidden by the strict paleo diet philosophy are not only allowed, but in many cases necessary for peak athletic performance. The owner of the Paleo Diet trademark Trevor Connor speaks often about his penchant for a box of popcorn at the movies, and eating simple-sugar candies while competing - both of which would send a militant paleo dieter into apoplexy.
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Old April 17th 21, 12:16 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 04:44:16 -0700 (PDT), "
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On Thursday, April 15, 2021 at 8:54:57 PM UTC-4, Joy Beeson wrote:

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Yes, food is on-topic in every newsgroup, but barbecued meat is lousy
bike fuel.

Unless you have it *after* the ride.


Fat is the best bike fuel, unless you're constantly working at or above your aerobic threshold. If you aren't a racer, stay away from the carbs. That said, bbq is an excellent fuel. Tons of studies and research have been conducted in this area. The book "paleo diet for athletes" goes into great detail with plenty of supported research citations, and no, it isn't a militant diet book. It espouse an "80/20" philosophy, where taking in foods that are strictly forbidden by the strict paleo diet philosophy are not only allowed, but in many cases necessary for peak athletic performance. The owner of the Paleo Diet trademark Trevor Connor speaks often about his penchant for a box of popcorn at the movies, and eating simple-sugar candies while competing - both of which would send a militant paleo dieter into apoplexy.



Out of curiosity I researched "paleo diet" and found that in science
there is no such thing, as "palio people" had radically different
diets - which apparently they can identify from paleo remains in some
manner- depending on where they lived and ranged from nearly 100%
vegetable diets to mainly fish and/or animal protein diets :-)
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Old April 17th 21, 01:33 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 4/16/2021 6:16 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 04:44:16 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Thursday, April 15, 2021 at 8:54:57 PM UTC-4, Joy Beeson wrote:

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yes, food is on-topic in every newsgroup, but barbecued meat is lousy
bike fuel.

Unless you have it *after* the ride.


Fat is the best bike fuel, unless you're constantly working at or above your aerobic threshold. If you aren't a racer, stay away from the carbs. That said, bbq is an excellent fuel. Tons of studies and research have been conducted in this area. The book "paleo diet for athletes" goes into great detail with plenty of supported research citations, and no, it isn't a militant diet book. It espouse an "80/20" philosophy, where taking in foods that are strictly forbidden by the strict paleo diet philosophy are not only allowed, but in many cases necessary for peak athletic performance. The owner of the Paleo Diet trademark Trevor Connor speaks often about his penchant for a box of popcorn at the movies, and eating simple-sugar candies while competing - both of which would send a militant paleo dieter into apoplexy.



Out of curiosity I researched "paleo diet" and found that in science
there is no such thing, as "palio people" had radically different
diets - which apparently they can identify from paleo remains in some
manner- depending on where they lived and ranged from nearly 100%
vegetable diets to mainly fish and/or animal protein diets :-)


That's a reasonable conclusion from the evidence. Such is
utterly useless for starting a fad or selling books to fat
people who would much rather buy a book and skim the first
few pages than lower their calorie intake.

https://paleodietforbeginner.com/best-paleo-diet-books/

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Old April 17th 21, 02:18 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B.[_3_]
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 19:33:04 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 4/16/2021 6:16 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 04:44:16 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Thursday, April 15, 2021 at 8:54:57 PM UTC-4, Joy Beeson wrote:

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yes, food is on-topic in every newsgroup, but barbecued meat is lousy
bike fuel.

Unless you have it *after* the ride.

Fat is the best bike fuel, unless you're constantly working at or above your aerobic threshold. If you aren't a racer, stay away from the carbs. That said, bbq is an excellent fuel. Tons of studies and research have been conducted in this area. The book "paleo diet for athletes" goes into great detail with plenty of supported research citations, and no, it isn't a militant diet book. It espouse an "80/20" philosophy, where taking in foods that are strictly forbidden by the strict paleo diet philosophy are not only allowed, but in many cases necessary for peak athletic performance. The owner of the Paleo Diet trademark Trevor Connor speaks often about his penchant for a box of popcorn at the movies, and eating simple-sugar candies while competing - both of which would send a militant paleo dieter into apoplexy.



Out of curiosity I researched "paleo diet" and found that in science
there is no such thing, as "palio people" had radically different
diets - which apparently they can identify from paleo remains in some
manner- depending on where they lived and ranged from nearly 100%
vegetable diets to mainly fish and/or animal protein diets :-)


That's a reasonable conclusion from the evidence. Such is
utterly useless for starting a fad or selling books to fat
people who would much rather buy a book and skim the first
few pages than lower their calorie intake.

https://paleodietforbeginner.com/best-paleo-diet-books/


Re diets. Years ago I was reading about the "Atkins Diet" and some
"fat farm's" weight loss schedule and it was apparent that, at least
at that particular establish that diet was only a small part of the
weight loss program as the amount of exercise that they were getting
was enough to floor a horse.

But weight loss is easy. Just put the food on the plate and eat it
(the food that is). If you don't lose weight put less food on the
plate :-)
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Cheers,

John B.

 




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