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I like to get a spare wheel/tire to swap when I use my trainer, I seem to be getting a decent amount of wear on my tires form using the trainer. It goes without saying that I like a cheap wheel for it. My bike holds 2007 Campy Veloce CT parts and a C10 ultra narrow chain. I tried looking this up but according to Campy using anything but the same elements from 1 groupset is almost unforgivable. I assume they like selling parts. I swapped in my wife's wheel which is set up with a no-name 9 speed cassette for use on a 9sp Xenon group, that seemed to work. My question is: what is the deal here, can I use a different kind of cassette from like SRAM even if it is 9 speed? Would that wear my 10sp narrow chain? I don't need super smooth shifting so I don't even mind not having the ultra-drive feature on that cassette... Advice ? Thanks! |
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Well it's reasonably clear that economics are a prime factor. I'm not
planning on paying much for my swap/trainer wheel. I don't have a spare lying around but I might go second hand shopping for an old used wheel somewhere. I found an 8 speed campy wheel/hub for around 30$ but I assume that's not compatible. |
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On Nov 7, 7:29 am, wrote:
Well it's reasonably clear that economics are a prime factor. I'm not planning on paying much for my swap/trainer wheel. I don't have a spare lying around but I might go second hand shopping for an old used wheel somewhere. I found an 8 speed campy wheel/hub for around 30$ but I assume that's not compatible. That's correct. I too can report that Shimano 9s cassettes shift fine with C10 systems, you just need to set the first position on the small cog, and set the limit screws to lock out the last click. Personally, I'd stick with 10s chain, as the RD cage plates on a 10s are closer together. I used a 10s RD on an otherwise 9s system, and the chain was noisy enough going through the pulleys to make me worried stuff was scraping. 10s chain quieted it right up, and I wound up switching to 10s on that bike soon, anyway. |
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On Nov 7, 4:37 pm, Hank Wirtz wrote:
On Nov 7, 7:29 am, wrote: Well it's reasonably clear that economics are a prime factor. I'm not planning on paying much for my swap/trainer wheel. I don't have a spare lying around but I might go second hand shopping for an old used wheel somewhere. I found an 8 speed campy wheel/hub for around 30$ but I assume that's not compatible. That's correct. I too can report that Shimano 9s cassettes shift fine with C10 systems, you just need to set the first position on the small cog, and set the limit screws to lock out the last click. Personally, I'd stick with 10s chain, as the RD cage plates on a 10s are closer together. I used a 10s RD on an otherwise 9s system, and the chain was noisy enough going through the pulleys to make me worried stuff was scraping. 10s chain quieted it right up, and I wound up switching to 10s on that bike soon, anyway. Is it possible to discard a cog and make a workable wheel by using 9 speed or 10 speed cogs on the 8 speed hub ? In other words, can I convert an 8 speed wheel to work with a 10 speed setup (at the price of sacrificing some gears)? It's good to know that shimano 9sp works as well, that broadens my second hands buy criteria. |
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On Nov 7, 4:37 pm, Hank Wirtz wrote: On Nov 7, 7:29 am, wrote: Well it's reasonably clear that economics are a prime factor. I'm not planning on paying much for my swap/trainer wheel. I don't have a spare lying around but I might go second hand shopping for an old used wheel somewhere. I found an 8 speed campy wheel/hub for around 30$ but I assume that's not compatible. That's correct. I too can report that Shimano 9s cassettes shift fine with C10 systems, you just need to set the first position on the small cog, and set the limit screws to lock out the last click. Personally, I'd stick with 10s chain, as the RD cage plates on a 10s are closer together. I used a 10s RD on an otherwise 9s system, and the chain was noisy enough going through the pulleys to make me worried stuff was scraping. 10s chain quieted it right up, and I wound up switching to 10s on that bike soon, anyway. Is it possible to discard a cog and make a workable wheel by using 9 speed or 10 speed cogs on the 8 speed hub ? In other words, can I convert an 8 speed wheel to work with a 10 speed setup (at the price of sacrificing some gears)? It's good to know that shimano 9sp works as well, that broadens my second hands buy criteria. I'm not convinced by the 9sp Shimano case, it probably works by the tollerance built into the systems (all jockey wheels have some side float in them ). Shimano 8 should work very well with Campagnolo 10 speed shifters: http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=3946 I'd trust the author as one of the better UK technical experts on bicycle bits. That shows a Shimano 8 system pulls the same cable as a Campagnolo 10. It also shows a Shimano 9 working with a Campagnolo 10 shifter if the cable routing is changed on the rear derraileur (so called Hubbub routing). But you'd still need to setup the derailleur stops and align the indexing when the wheel was swapped from the road "10" to the trainer "8" or "9". If you're happy with that fiddling each time, its fine, but otherwise I'd still get a 10 speed wheel. - Nigel -- Nigel Cliffe, Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/ |
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I've actually ridden many thousands of miles with the
Shimano-hub/Campy-9-ergo setup. It works fine, with the tolerance you mention that's in the system by default. I've done this due to good buys on Shimano wheels, etc. Currently I'm back on a Campy 9-speed hub on my rain bike, but wouldn't hesitate to use a Shimano-spaced hub next round, if that's what comes along.... Being wary of this is natural IMO, but if you've done it once you know just how well it works;-] -pete "Nigel Cliffe" wrote in message ... wrote: On Nov 7, 4:37 pm, Hank Wirtz wrote: On Nov 7, 7:29 am, wrote: Well it's reasonably clear that economics are a prime factor. I'm not planning on paying much for my swap/trainer wheel. I don't have a spare lying around but I might go second hand shopping for an old used wheel somewhere. I found an 8 speed campy wheel/hub for around 30$ but I assume that's not compatible. That's correct. I too can report that Shimano 9s cassettes shift fine with C10 systems, you just need to set the first position on the small cog, and set the limit screws to lock out the last click. Personally, I'd stick with 10s chain, as the RD cage plates on a 10s are closer together. I used a 10s RD on an otherwise 9s system, and the chain was noisy enough going through the pulleys to make me worried stuff was scraping. 10s chain quieted it right up, and I wound up switching to 10s on that bike soon, anyway. Is it possible to discard a cog and make a workable wheel by using 9 speed or 10 speed cogs on the 8 speed hub ? In other words, can I convert an 8 speed wheel to work with a 10 speed setup (at the price of sacrificing some gears)? It's good to know that shimano 9sp works as well, that broadens my second hands buy criteria. I'm not convinced by the 9sp Shimano case, it probably works by the tollerance built into the systems (all jockey wheels have some side float in them ). Shimano 8 should work very well with Campagnolo 10 speed shifters: http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=3946 I'd trust the author as one of the better UK technical experts on bicycle bits. That shows a Shimano 8 system pulls the same cable as a Campagnolo 10. It also shows a Shimano 9 working with a Campagnolo 10 shifter if the cable routing is changed on the rear derraileur (so called Hubbub routing). But you'd still need to setup the derailleur stops and align the indexing when the wheel was swapped from the road "10" to the trainer "8" or "9". If you're happy with that fiddling each time, its fine, but otherwise I'd still get a 10 speed wheel. - Nigel -- Nigel Cliffe, Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/ |
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Colin Campbell writes:
Two of my friends who use a trainer showed me the rear wheel they use. It has a special tire (perhaps solid?) that is designed for use with a trainer. I don't know the brand, or where they bought it, or how much it cost, but it is a bright orange color - you would notice it right away if you had it on when you went out for a road ride. At least Continental and Tacx make such tires (ordinary foldable clinchers). The big plus is that there is no patch of black (or indeed any) rubber dust on the floor after trainering. Stands to reason that as a consequence it should last a lot longer as well, but my trainer use is way too infrequent to notice such things. |
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On Nov 7, 7:49 am, wrote:
On Nov 7, 4:37 pm, Hank Wirtz wrote: On Nov 7, 7:29 am, wrote: Well it's reasonably clear that economics are a prime factor. I'm not planning on paying much for my swap/trainer wheel. I don't have a spare lying around but I might go second hand shopping for an old used wheel somewhere. I found an 8 speed campy wheel/hub for around 30$ but I assume that's not compatible. That's correct. I too can report that Shimano 9s cassettes shift fine with C10 systems, you just need to set the first position on the small cog, and set the limit screws to lock out the last click. Personally, I'd stick with 10s chain, as the RD cage plates on a 10s are closer together. I used a 10s RD on an otherwise 9s system, and the chain was noisy enough going through the pulleys to make me worried stuff was scraping. 10s chain quieted it right up, and I wound up switching to 10s on that bike soon, anyway. Is it possible to discard a cog and make a workable wheel by using 9 speed or 10 speed cogs on the 8 speed hub ? In other words, can I convert an 8 speed wheel to work with a 10 speed setup (at the price of sacrificing some gears)? It's good to know that shimano 9sp works as well, that broadens my second hands buy criteria.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Not on a Campy 8-speed hub - those have a different spline pattern than the 9/10 ones. On Shimano, 8/9/10 speed hubs are all the same thing (well, there are some 10-speed-only hubs, but that's a different story). So your cheapest option is to get any 8/9/10 spaced Shimano wheel and get a 9-speed Shimano or SRAM cassette, adjust your limit screws and cable, and go ride. FWIW, the SRAM PG-950 12-25 cassette I had on an Ultegra 6500 hub shifted better than the American Classic 12-2510-speed conversion cassette I got to replace it, with an otherwise 2007 Veloce 10s setup (including chain). I just didn't have an 18t cog on the SRAM, and I can't say I noticed. |
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