What presidential issue you prefer, bike facilities or gay marriage?

donquijote1954 schrieb:
On Jan 24, 10:50 am, Jon wrote:
Is this about a presidential election in the Netherlands? Did you
mean to put it in uk.cycling ?

No, it's about the presidential elections in the US. More
specifically, about making BIKE FACILITIES a presidential issue,
instead of homosexuals and other red herrings.

Believe it or not, this country dictates the issues for the rest of
the world.

They don't dictate German laws regarding bike facilities.

http://www.travel.state.gov/travel/c.../cis_1123.html

"Many German streets and sidewalks have dedicated bike lanes for use by
bicyclists. Pedestrians should be aware that bicycles have priority use
of these lanes and should be careful to observe whether any bicyclist is
approaching before crossing or stepping into the bike lane. Bicyclists
also have priority over cars turning onto side streets, and motorists
should always confirm whether a bicyclist is approaching from either
direction before attempting to enter side streets, even when the light
is in their favor. Motorists turning into a side street who hit a
bicyclist who is using a marked bike lane will be held responsible for
any injury or damage caused."

On Jan 24, 4:48*pm, Jens Müller wrote:
donquijote1954 schrieb:





How scandalous... You are peacefully riding a bike in Holland among
the beautiful gardens and all of a sudden you find this...

"a gay couple kissing in a flowery field."

Well, I hope you don't get offended by sexuality, which seems to be a
feature of Dutch democracy...

"Sexual democracy becomes central even more than religious freedom
when discussing the Dutch vision of democracy."

http://www.bidoun.com/issues/issue_10/05a_all.html

And I believe that the fact that the Greeks created democracy and that
they had very liberal views about sexuality is more than a historical
coincidence. Religious censorship and democracy are at odds. Real
democracy is built upon other issues that improve the quality of life
for all, for example fighting poverty or building BIKE FACILITIES,
another area where the Dutch excel.

Real democracy is based on abolishing apartheid based on power source.- Hide quoted text -

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What you mean, that Holland or America practice apartheid? I think
America practices discrimination only...

On Jan 24, 2:59*pm, "Amy Blankenship"
wrote:
"donquijote1954" wrote in message

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On Jan 24, 3:57 am, "Dave Larrington"
wrote:

Presidential? Election?

Nope, don't get it.

Yep, it's a kind of show they put together every 4 years. Several
actors compete to play the main character. Of course, it's totally
fictitious.

Perhaps we can even suggest an act for the show called the "Dutch
package." Homosexual rights and bike facilities in one neat package.
Because what people care about homosexual rights if they don't get
something in return?
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Don't you mean "in the end"? *;-)

Don't know what you mean, but people gotta get something back "in the
end" or else they wouldn't vote for gay issues. Likewise, we can throw
in prostitution in the Dutch Package, so the streetwalkers get their
own place and some overdue recognizition.

Hey, should we also throw in weed...???

On Jan 24, 4:54*pm, Jens Müller wrote:
donquijote1954 schrieb:

On Jan 24, 10:50 am, Jon wrote:
Is this about a presidential election in the Netherlands? *Did you
mean to put it in uk.cycling ?

No, it's about the presidential elections in the US. More
specifically, about making BIKE FACILITIES a presidential issue,
instead of homosexuals and other red herrings.

Believe it or not, this country dictates the issues for the rest of
the world.

They don't dictate German laws regarding bike facilities.

http://www.travel.state.gov/travel/c.../cis_1123.html

"Many German streets and sidewalks have dedicated bike lanes for use by
bicyclists. Pedestrians should be aware that bicycles have priority use
of these lanes and should be careful to observe whether any bicyclist is
approaching before crossing or stepping into the bike lane. Bicyclists
also have priority over cars turning onto side streets, and motorists
should always confirm whether a bicyclist is approaching from either
direction before attempting to enter side streets, even when the light
is in their favor. Motorists turning into a side street who hit a
bicyclist who is using a marked bike lane will be held responsible for
any injury or damage caused."

Germany and mainland Europe are a little bit outside the American
sphere of influence. They only fall in place in the war against
terrorism. The UK is more like America, but with a Queen.

donquijote1954 schrieb:

Real democracy is based on abolishing apartheid based on power source.- Hide quoted text -

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What you mean, that Holland or America practice apartheid? I think
America practices discrimination only...

The Netherlands do, from what I know.

The UK, e.g., does not.

On Jan 24, 5:23*pm, Jens Müller wrote:
donquijote1954 schrieb:

Real democracy is based on abolishing apartheid based on power source.- Hide quoted text -

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What you mean, that Holland or America practice apartheid? I think
America practices discrimination only...

The Netherlands do, from what I know.

The UK, e.g., does not.

Well, if you have to fend for yourself on dangerous roads, then the
government is discriminating against you. This quote applies here...

"Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the
powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral." -Paulo
Freire

In other words, the cyclist is the powerless, whose power is next to
nothing. Sort of like an insect. You'll be lucky if the car doesn't
leave the scene, something very common.

But if you are separated by bike paths (not bike lanes) though it
constitutes apartheid, it's a welcome separation in order to gain
safety. The difference between discrimination and apartheid is
important. At least when it comes to bicycle riding.

I just made another T-shirt for the "Banana Revolution Gear"
collection. It sounds terrific in German...

"Willkommen zum Dschungel"

Good advice for bikes riding on Darwinistic roads...

http://www.zazzle.com/donquijote1954...C-BV2983370235

Notice the description...

"You know that size matters in the jungle. That's why nobody messes
with elephants."

That's why everybody wants SUVs.

Could the American Religious Right fit in Holland?

On Jan 24, 10:20 am, Bret Cahill wrote:
It'ld be a tight fit. They'ld have to lose some weight.

Bret Cahill

For them to fit, they would have to ride bikes like the Dutch.

Their SUVs certainly won't fit.

donquijote1954 wrote:
On Jan 24, 2:59 pm, "Amy Blankenship"
wrote:
"donquijote1954" wrote in message

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On Jan 24, 3:57 am, "Dave Larrington"
wrote:

Presidential? Election?
Nope, don't get it.
Yep, it's a kind of show they put together every 4 years. Several
actors compete to play the main character. Of course, it's totally
fictitious.

Perhaps we can even suggest an act for the show called the "Dutch
package." Homosexual rights and bike facilities in one neat package.
Because what people care about homosexual rights if they don't get
something in return?
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Don't you mean "in the end"? ;-)

Don't know what you mean...

Whoosh! Think buggery.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

On Jan 25, 11:20 am, "
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They would have to join Muslim fundamentalists in trying to ban all
kinds of sexual democracy. "Hey, banana should be taken off the
menu"...

WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution

We have freedom of speech over here.
So they could fit in.
We still have a party in the Netherlands that bans women from being a
candidate.
So we are used to having nutcases around.

Peter van Velzen
January 2008
Amstelveen
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That's good, but here they run the show.

I wonder if the fact that the Pilgrims came from there has to with
Holland being too free?

'The Dutch have given many things to America: Easter eggs, Santa
Claus, waffles, sauerkraut, sleighing, skating, and a host of "vans"
and "velts" that helped to build our nation.1 But perhaps their
greatest contribution to America was the 11 years of freedom they gave
the Pilgrims -- crucial years that helped America's founding fathers
work out their philosophy of freedom and prepare for self-government
in the New World.'

http://www.theadvocates.org/freeman/8811petr.html