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Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:41:39 -0500, Tom Sherman
wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:00:58 -0500, Tom Sherman wrote: Edward Dolan wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:56:22 -0700, JimmyMac wrote: [...] A man who obviously knows nothing of pearls or wisdom should stick to his quest of creating wildlife habitat. Should you make good your quest, I hope that you and your beloved Ed have a "wildlife" together in your own Personal Garden of Eden. SInce it would be off-limits to humans you two shold have it all to yourselves. Thank you for your non-pearl of non-wisdom. All Jim McNamra knows how to do is to stalk. He does not have a clue about your expertise on how mountain biking harms hiking trails and how it harms nature in general.... Kind of silly to worry about off-road bicycling harming nature, when the only thing that will save most ecosystems on the planet is mass hominid sterilization. Most larger mammals (including possibly hominids), birds and fish will be extinct in 100 years or so, the forests will be gone, the topsoil depleted and the lakes, rivers and oceans fouled. All because people put their personal desire to breed excessively ahead of the general welfare of the species and planet. You need to distinguish between NUMBERS of humans, and their BEHAVIOR. ONE human with atomic weapons can do more harm than the rest of the population combined. That can't be THAT hard to understand. BOTH are important, not just population. Hungry people want to eat, and damn the ecological consequences. Cold people want shelter and a fire, damn forest sustainability. Only two billion people can live a decent, sustainable lifestyle with the technology foreseeable in the next century. Seven or eight billion people can ruin the planet with stone age technology. That's no excuse to ignore in=mprovements in behavior. That's like only counting automobiles, and ignoring MPG. We are screwed. The overpopulation problem should have been addressed 40 years ago, but still has not due to religious superstitions and individual selfishness. Maybe the next dominant species that evolves in a few million years will be morally better than us hominids. -- I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great -IX
Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:41:39 -0500, Tom Sherman wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:00:58 -0500, Tom Sherman wrote: Edward Dolan wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:56:22 -0700, JimmyMac wrote: [...] A man who obviously knows nothing of pearls or wisdom should stick to his quest of creating wildlife habitat. Should you make good your quest, I hope that you and your beloved Ed have a "wildlife" together in your own Personal Garden of Eden. SInce it would be off-limits to humans you two shold have it all to yourselves. Thank you for your non-pearl of non-wisdom. All Jim McNamra knows how to do is to stalk. He does not have a clue about your expertise on how mountain biking harms hiking trails and how it harms nature in general.... Kind of silly to worry about off-road bicycling harming nature, when the only thing that will save most ecosystems on the planet is mass hominid sterilization. Most larger mammals (including possibly hominids), birds and fish will be extinct in 100 years or so, the forests will be gone, the topsoil depleted and the lakes, rivers and oceans fouled. All because people put their personal desire to breed excessively ahead of the general welfare of the species and planet. You need to distinguish between NUMBERS of humans, and their BEHAVIOR. ONE human with atomic weapons can do more harm than the rest of the population combined. That can't be THAT hard to understand. BOTH are important, not just population. Hungry people want to eat, and damn the ecological consequences. Cold people want shelter and a fire, damn forest sustainability. Only two billion people can live a decent, sustainable lifestyle with the technology foreseeable in the next century. Seven or eight billion people can ruin the planet with stone age technology. That's no excuse to ignore in=mprovements in behavior. That's like only counting automobiles, and ignoring MPG. Worrying about the ecological damage of off-road bicycling is like concentrating on scratching a minor itch when a thermonuclear bomb is about to go off in close proximity. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia When did ignorance of biology become a "family value"? |
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Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:58:52 -0500, Tom Sherman
wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:41:39 -0500, Tom Sherman wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:00:58 -0500, Tom Sherman wrote: Edward Dolan wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:56:22 -0700, JimmyMac wrote: [...] A man who obviously knows nothing of pearls or wisdom should stick to his quest of creating wildlife habitat. Should you make good your quest, I hope that you and your beloved Ed have a "wildlife" together in your own Personal Garden of Eden. SInce it would be off-limits to humans you two shold have it all to yourselves. Thank you for your non-pearl of non-wisdom. All Jim McNamra knows how to do is to stalk. He does not have a clue about your expertise on how mountain biking harms hiking trails and how it harms nature in general.... Kind of silly to worry about off-road bicycling harming nature, when the only thing that will save most ecosystems on the planet is mass hominid sterilization. Most larger mammals (including possibly hominids), birds and fish will be extinct in 100 years or so, the forests will be gone, the topsoil depleted and the lakes, rivers and oceans fouled. All because people put their personal desire to breed excessively ahead of the general welfare of the species and planet. You need to distinguish between NUMBERS of humans, and their BEHAVIOR. ONE human with atomic weapons can do more harm than the rest of the population combined. That can't be THAT hard to understand. BOTH are important, not just population. Hungry people want to eat, and damn the ecological consequences. Cold people want shelter and a fire, damn forest sustainability. Only two billion people can live a decent, sustainable lifestyle with the technology foreseeable in the next century. Seven or eight billion people can ruin the planet with stone age technology. That's no excuse to ignore in=mprovements in behavior. That's like only counting automobiles, and ignoring MPG. Worrying about the ecological damage of off-road bicycling is like concentrating on scratching a minor itch when a thermonuclear bomb is about to go off in close proximity. Thanks for demonstrating your UTTER ignorance. There are NO thermonuclear bombs going off in our parks or other natural areas, and mountain biking is the most destructive activity ever allowed there. -- I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great -IX
Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:58:52 -0500, Tom Sherman wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:41:39 -0500, Tom Sherman wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:00:58 -0500, Tom Sherman wrote: Edward Dolan wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:56:22 -0700, JimmyMac wrote: [...] A man who obviously knows nothing of pearls or wisdom should stick to his quest of creating wildlife habitat. Should you make good your quest, I hope that you and your beloved Ed have a "wildlife" together in your own Personal Garden of Eden. SInce it would be off-limits to humans you two shold have it all to yourselves. Thank you for your non-pearl of non-wisdom. All Jim McNamra knows how to do is to stalk. He does not have a clue about your expertise on how mountain biking harms hiking trails and how it harms nature in general.... Kind of silly to worry about off-road bicycling harming nature, when the only thing that will save most ecosystems on the planet is mass hominid sterilization. Most larger mammals (including possibly hominids), birds and fish will be extinct in 100 years or so, the forests will be gone, the topsoil depleted and the lakes, rivers and oceans fouled. All because people put their personal desire to breed excessively ahead of the general welfare of the species and planet. You need to distinguish between NUMBERS of humans, and their BEHAVIOR. ONE human with atomic weapons can do more harm than the rest of the population combined. That can't be THAT hard to understand. BOTH are important, not just population. Hungry people want to eat, and damn the ecological consequences. Cold people want shelter and a fire, damn forest sustainability. Only two billion people can live a decent, sustainable lifestyle with the technology foreseeable in the next century. Seven or eight billion people can ruin the planet with stone age technology. That's no excuse to ignore in=mprovements in behavior. That's like only counting automobiles, and ignoring MPG. Worrying about the ecological damage of off-road bicycling is like concentrating on scratching a minor itch when a thermonuclear bomb is about to go off in close proximity. Thanks for demonstrating your UTTER ignorance. There are NO thermonuclear bombs going off in our parks or other natural areas, and mountain biking is the most destructive activity ever allowed there. Thanks for demonstrating your inability to understand an analogy. What does some damage from off-road bicycling matter if these wilderness areas are eventually stripped by the starving hoards of trees for firewood, the land converted to subsistence farming, and all extractable minerals mined? Those actions WILL happen due to overpopulation, unless some event occurs to drastically reduce worldwide population. Voluntary population reduction will never happen, since individuals put their selfish wants above the needs of society. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia When did ignorance of biology become a "family value"? |
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Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 08:21:26 -0600, Tom Sherman
wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:58:52 -0500, Tom Sherman wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:41:39 -0500, Tom Sherman wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:00:58 -0500, Tom Sherman wrote: Edward Dolan wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:56:22 -0700, JimmyMac wrote: [...] A man who obviously knows nothing of pearls or wisdom should stick to his quest of creating wildlife habitat. Should you make good your quest, I hope that you and your beloved Ed have a "wildlife" together in your own Personal Garden of Eden. SInce it would be off-limits to humans you two shold have it all to yourselves. Thank you for your non-pearl of non-wisdom. All Jim McNamra knows how to do is to stalk. He does not have a clue about your expertise on how mountain biking harms hiking trails and how it harms nature in general.... Kind of silly to worry about off-road bicycling harming nature, when the only thing that will save most ecosystems on the planet is mass hominid sterilization. Most larger mammals (including possibly hominids), birds and fish will be extinct in 100 years or so, the forests will be gone, the topsoil depleted and the lakes, rivers and oceans fouled. All because people put their personal desire to breed excessively ahead of the general welfare of the species and planet. You need to distinguish between NUMBERS of humans, and their BEHAVIOR. ONE human with atomic weapons can do more harm than the rest of the population combined. That can't be THAT hard to understand. BOTH are important, not just population. Hungry people want to eat, and damn the ecological consequences. Cold people want shelter and a fire, damn forest sustainability. Only two billion people can live a decent, sustainable lifestyle with the technology foreseeable in the next century. Seven or eight billion people can ruin the planet with stone age technology. That's no excuse to ignore in=mprovements in behavior. That's like only counting automobiles, and ignoring MPG. Worrying about the ecological damage of off-road bicycling is like concentrating on scratching a minor itch when a thermonuclear bomb is about to go off in close proximity. Thanks for demonstrating your UTTER ignorance. There are NO thermonuclear bombs going off in our parks or other natural areas, and mountain biking is the most destructive activity ever allowed there. Thanks for demonstrating your inability to understand an analogy. What does some damage from off-road bicycling matter if these wilderness areas are eventually stripped by the starving hoards of trees for firewood, the land converted to subsistence farming, and all extractable minerals mined? Those actions WILL happen due to overpopulation, unless some event occurs to drastically reduce worldwide population. Voluntary population reduction will never happen, since individuals put their selfish wants above the needs of society. Um, I hate to break it to you, but animals and plants killed by mountain bikers won't be comforted much knowing that the forest will be destroyed LATER. Since you like analogies, by your thinking, the police should ignore all crimes but murder, because they are insignificant IN COMPARISON TO MURDER. You are just rationalizing, not thinking. You obviously aren't capable of rational thought. I feel sorry for Ed, having to put up with numbskulls like you. -- I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great -IX
Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 08:21:26 -0600, Tom Sherman wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:58:52 -0500, Tom Sherman wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:41:39 -0500, Tom Sherman wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:00:58 -0500, Tom Sherman wrote: Edward Dolan wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:56:22 -0700, JimmyMac wrote: [...] A man who obviously knows nothing of pearls or wisdom should stick to his quest of creating wildlife habitat. Should you make good your quest, I hope that you and your beloved Ed have a "wildlife" together in your own Personal Garden of Eden. SInce it would be off-limits to humans you two shold have it all to yourselves. Thank you for your non-pearl of non-wisdom. All Jim McNamra knows how to do is to stalk. He does not have a clue about your expertise on how mountain biking harms hiking trails and how it harms nature in general.... Kind of silly to worry about off-road bicycling harming nature, when the only thing that will save most ecosystems on the planet is mass hominid sterilization. Most larger mammals (including possibly hominids), birds and fish will be extinct in 100 years or so, the forests will be gone, the topsoil depleted and the lakes, rivers and oceans fouled. All because people put their personal desire to breed excessively ahead of the general welfare of the species and planet. You need to distinguish between NUMBERS of humans, and their BEHAVIOR. ONE human with atomic weapons can do more harm than the rest of the population combined. That can't be THAT hard to understand. BOTH are important, not just population. Hungry people want to eat, and damn the ecological consequences. Cold people want shelter and a fire, damn forest sustainability. Only two billion people can live a decent, sustainable lifestyle with the technology foreseeable in the next century. Seven or eight billion people can ruin the planet with stone age technology. That's no excuse to ignore in=mprovements in behavior. That's like only counting automobiles, and ignoring MPG. Worrying about the ecological damage of off-road bicycling is like concentrating on scratching a minor itch when a thermonuclear bomb is about to go off in close proximity. Thanks for demonstrating your UTTER ignorance. There are NO thermonuclear bombs going off in our parks or other natural areas, and mountain biking is the most destructive activity ever allowed there. Thanks for demonstrating your inability to understand an analogy. What does some damage from off-road bicycling matter if these wilderness areas are eventually stripped by the starving hoards of trees for firewood, the land converted to subsistence farming, and all extractable minerals mined? Those actions WILL happen due to overpopulation, unless some event occurs to drastically reduce worldwide population. Voluntary population reduction will never happen, since individuals put their selfish wants above the needs of society. Um, I hate to break it to you, but animals and plants killed by mountain bikers won't be comforted much knowing that the forest will be destroyed LATER. Since you like analogies, by your thinking, the police should ignore all crimes but murder, because they are insignificant IN COMPARISON TO MURDER. You are just rationalizing, not thinking. You obviously aren't capable of rational thought. I feel sorry for Ed, having to put up with numbskulls like you. Whoosh! -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia When did ignorance of biology become a "family value"? |
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Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
On Nov 2, 2:11 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"JimmyMac" wrote in message ps.com... On Nov 1, 4:31 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] The Great Mike Vandeman is busy confronting all the idiotic mountain bikers and does not have time for a fool like you. Unfortunately for you, I do! Why don't you Mike of the mutual admiration society just elope. Let's see, I respond to Vandeman and then Dolan replies to my response and yet he labels me a stalker??? The conundrum continues! Nothing but a stalker - a very sad case! Since you are responding to me and I was responding to Vandeman, just who is stalking whom??? The conundrum continues! Jim McNamara Regards, Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:00:05 -0800, JimmyMac
wrote: On Nov 2, 2:11 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote: "JimmyMac" wrote in message ps.com... On Nov 1, 4:31 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] The Great Mike Vandeman is busy confronting all the idiotic mountain bikers and does not have time for a fool like you. Unfortunately for you, I do! Why don't you Mike of the mutual admiration society just elope. Let's see, I respond to Vandeman and then Dolan replies to my response and yet he labels me a stalker??? The conundrum continues! Nothing but a stalker - a very sad case! Since you are responding to me and I was responding to Vandeman, just who is stalking whom??? The conundrum continues! This record is broken. Jim McNamara Regards, Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota -- I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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