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http://pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullst...atest%2 0News
sort of funny, a legend of US cycling feeling the need to embellish his accomplishments in the opening to his training article on PEZ. I'm not sure what's worse, thinking that finishing 6 minutes behind the "winner" is impressive, or that he was "competing" against 6400 "racers". |
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On Nov 29, 5:14*pm, Scott Hendricks
wrote: http://pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullst...True&catname=L... sort of funny, a legend of US cycling feeling the need to embellish his accomplishments in the opening to his training article on PEZ. I'm not sure what's worse, thinking that finishing 6 minutes behind the "winner" is impressive, or that he was "competing" against 6400 "racers". Well, two thoughts: - the largest audience for his article is probably likely to "compete" against "racers" of that caliber, rather than ride in USCF-type sanctioned races - the webpage is titled "Toolbox," so maybe it's intended to provide a platform for toolboxes to speak their minds Fredmaster Ben did not compete in El Tour |
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http://pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullst...True&catname=L... sort of funny, a legend of US cycling feeling the need to embellish his accomplishments in the opening to his training article on PEZ. I'm not sure what's worse, thinking that finishing 6 minutes behind the "winner" is impressive, or that he was "competing" against 6400 "racers". Well, John "lawyer lips" Howard is 64 years old! Maybe he'll get sued over that hands free phantom aero bar position he is advocating. Ahh, the poetic justice. JC |
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Scott Hendricks wrote:
http://pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullst...atest%2 0News sort of funny, a legend of US cycling feeling the need to embellish his accomplishments in the opening to his training article on PEZ. I'm not sure what's worse, thinking that finishing 6 minutes behind the "winner" is impressive, or that he was "competing" against 6400 "racers". I think it's grand. He's in his sixties, he's still competeing, and the idea that he has a "need to embellish his accomplishments" is in the mind of one reader, not the writer. The article is pleasant read for any fattie master interested in gear and interested in performing well. -S- |
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On Dec 1, 5:58*am, "Steve Freides" wrote:
Scott Hendricks wrote: http://pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullst...True&catname=L... sort of funny, a legend of US cycling feeling the need to embellish his accomplishments in the opening to his training article on PEZ. I'm not sure what's worse, thinking that finishing 6 minutes behind the "winner" is impressive, or that he was "competing" against 6400 "racers". I think it's grand. *He's in his sixties, he's still competeing, and the idea that he has a "need to embellish his accomplishments" is in the mind of one reader, not the writer. *The article is pleasant read for any fattie master interested in gear and interested in performing well. -S- Uh, Steve, there may have been 6400 entrants, spread across 3 separate events, but in the event he was in there were maybe 2-300 racers in the ~2000 entrants. For most of them, merely finishing was the goal. He was bragging about doing well in a century ride, and inflated the numbers to include the metric century & 30 mile events. How would you define embellish? |
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On Dec 1, 7:15*am, Scott Hendricks
wrote: On Dec 1, 5:58*am, "Steve Freides" wrote: Scott Hendricks wrote: http://pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullst...True&catname=L... sort of funny, a legend of US cycling feeling the need to embellish his accomplishments in the opening to his training article on PEZ. I'm not sure what's worse, thinking that finishing 6 minutes behind the "winner" is impressive, or that he was "competing" against 6400 "racers". I think it's grand. *He's in his sixties, he's still competeing, and the idea that he has a "need to embellish his accomplishments" is in the mind of one reader, not the writer. *The article is pleasant read for any fattie master interested in gear and interested in performing well. -S- Uh, Steve, there may have been 6400 entrants, spread across 3 separate events, but in the event he was in there were maybe 2-300 racers in the ~2000 entrants. For most of them, merely finishing was the goal. He was bragging about doing well in a century ride, and inflated the numbers to include the metric century & 30 mile events. How would you define embellish? (excuse me for butting into line, please) Hmmm-- "embellish"... How about "blaming John Howard for the existence of 'lawyer lips' as if he were the sole cause of the implementation of 'lawyer lips'"? I get the feeling this is all about ancient-history ego collisions more than anything. Who is the scapegoat for the CPSC complication of "things Campagnolo" ca. 1977-- the "lip" on the front derailleur, changed cranks and "+" bottom brackets that go far, far beyond having to remember "five rotations of the QR skewer"? The real bitch here, IMHO, is, to put said bitch in the form of a question: "What is worse than a rider using fred bars in a mass-start ride or race?". A: "A rider using *pretend* fred bars in a mass-start ride or race". Because, in a world peopled with those who resort to violence or threats of violence when criticized for their actions, even when said actions pose a clear danger to themselves (which we don't necessarily care about) or others (which we do care about), pretend fred bars are going to be even more difficult to police than real fred bars. (Yes I've had some recent experience, after I complained-- very mildly-- about being "shaved" when passed, with no warning given, and no, there was no actual violence perpetrated after the perp changed his mind about knocking me down in order to "shut your mouth". Funny how that goes sometimes, isn't it? g). --D-y |
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On Nov 29, 5:14*pm, Scott Hendricks
wrote: http://pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullst...True&catname=L... sort of funny, a legend of US cycling feeling the need to embellish his accomplishments in the opening to his training article on PEZ. I'm not sure what's worse, thinking that finishing 6 minutes behind the "winner" is impressive, or that he was "competing" against 6400 "racers". I don't buy his BS about how his "mantis" position is better than simply bolting on some cheap aero bars and pads (or no pads at all). Some of us remember the minimal extensions used by pros before the UCI banned them, the idea that they would upset the "dynamics" of the bike or affect your knee clearance in climbing or sprinting is ridiculous. The UCI had to ban them because they didn't want the pros to look like tri-dorks. Pretty soon, we'd have had guys wearing those Bruno thongs in the TdF. When I'm riding with 6500 of my most skilled and experienced best friends, all who are trying to win that huge trophy at the Tour de Tucson, I'd prefer that none of them were using aero bars or steering with their elbows. Those things are best preserved for solo riding or not at all. |
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On 01/12/2011 16:41, Brad Anders wrote:
On Nov 29, 5:14 pm, Scott wrote: http://pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullst...True&catname=L... sort of funny, a legend of US cycling feeling the need to embellish his accomplishments in the opening to his training article on PEZ. I'm not sure what's worse, thinking that finishing 6 minutes behind the "winner" is impressive, or that he was "competing" against 6400 "racers". I don't buy his BS about how his "mantis" position is better than simply bolting on some cheap aero bars and pads (or no pads at all). Some of us remember the minimal extensions used by pros before the UCI banned them, the idea that they would upset the "dynamics" of the bike or affect your knee clearance in climbing or sprinting is ridiculous. The UCI had to ban them because they didn't want the pros to look like tri-dorks. Pretty soon, we'd have had guys wearing those Bruno thongs in the TdF. When I'm riding with 6500 of my most skilled and experienced best friends, all who are trying to win that huge trophy at the Tour de Tucson, I'd prefer that none of them were using aero bars or steering with their elbows. Those things are best preserved for solo riding or not at all. Second to last time I fell of was when elbow steering when solo riding. ISTR that just before I hit the road I was thinking something along the lines of "You always pay for stupidity". -- |
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Scott Hendricks wrote:
On Dec 1, 5:58 am, "Steve Freides" wrote: Scott Hendricks wrote: http://pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullst...True&catname=L... sort of funny, a legend of US cycling feeling the need to embellish his accomplishments in the opening to his training article on PEZ. I'm not sure what's worse, thinking that finishing 6 minutes behind the "winner" is impressive, or that he was "competing" against 6400 "racers". I think it's grand. He's in his sixties, he's still competeing, and the idea that he has a "need to embellish his accomplishments" is in the mind of one reader, not the writer. The article is pleasant read for any fattie master interested in gear and interested in performing well. -S- Uh, Steve, there may have been 6400 entrants, spread across 3 separate events, but in the event he was in there were maybe 2-300 racers in the ~2000 entrants. For most of them, merely finishing was the goal. He was bragging about doing well in a century ride, and inflated the numbers to include the metric century & 30 mile events. How would you define embellish? Dumbass, "Bragging", along with "embellish", are in your mind, not anywhere in the article I read. No one except you gives a rat's ass whether he finished 16th out of 6400 or 64th out of 1600. He found a riding position that might help some people and also might require some prep work for some of those same people so he wrote an article explaining it. I've spent many a mile in that position. How many times have we seen the same thing in a solo breakaway in a grand tour? The article is about getting a little closer to your TT position on your road bike. Could someone please play the Beatles, "When I'm 64" now? -S- |
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Brad Anders wrote:
I don't buy his BS about how his "mantis" position is better than simply bolting on some cheap aero bars and pads (or no pads at all). Some of us remember the minimal extensions used by pros before the UCI banned them, the idea that they would upset the "dynamics" of the bike or affect your knee clearance in climbing or sprinting is ridiculous. The UCI had to ban them because they didn't want the pros to look like tri-dorks. Pretty soon, we'd have had guys wearing those Bruno thongs in the TdF. OK, I just looked up "Bruno thong" and I'm not happy that I did. When I'm riding with 6500 of my most skilled and experienced best friends, all who are trying to win that huge trophy at the Tour de Tucson, I'd prefer that none of them were using aero bars or steering with their elbows. Those things are best preserved for solo riding or not at all. Yeah, the only time I ever did/do this is when the riding is pretty mindless - no one in front of you, flat, straight road. It can be a nice change of position for that purpose. -S- |
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