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Old August 6th 17, 09:39 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default How long should caliper brake springs last?

On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 22:32:00 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 8/5/2017 10:59 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-08-04 18:06, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/4/2017 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-31 20:21, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/31/2017 5:50 PM, sms wrote:
On 7/27/2017 6:40 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 09:57:44 -0700, sms
wrote:

On 7/27/2017 7:08 AM, AMuzi wrote:

snip

In theory maybe but I've never seen that in real life. Rust is ugly
but
in terms of % reduction of cross section of a spring, it's
meaningless.

The spring is not rusty. But it pops out with no effort, it's just
not
springy anymore. It seems to be fatigued.

The brake sets are cleaned and lubed. I may still order some
springs to
use these brakes on another road bike which has lower quality
brakes. If
I were in Wisconsin, I'm sure that AMuzi would have the springs in
stock, but the shops in Silicon Valley have little interest in
stocking
and selling little parts like this.


Probably because no one but you ever wanted to buy any :-(

Yet they are available online, so clearly someone has wanted them, and
there are instructions online that refer to the need to replace weak
springs.

There are? Where?


The springs?

No, Joerg. The instructions.

Where are those instructions online that refer to the need to replace
weak springs.?


Why does anyone need instructions to figure out that a weakened spring
is no longer fit for service and should be replaced?


You're diverting the conversation. You said there were instructions
online referring to the need to replace weak springs. You haven't
produced a link.

In anything remotely like normal use, those springs last forever. The
fail about as often as the mounting nuts split in two.


By Gorry! I was out to the monthly bike swap meet and there was some
brake springs for sale, costly little devils too. About a dollar,
American money. I didn't buy any but I did buy some snazzy anodized
aluminum tire valve caps, in colors too :-)
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Old August 6th 17, 09:52 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default How long should caliper brake springs last?

On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 22:33:09 -0400, Frank Krygowski
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On 8/5/2017 4:02 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-08-05 12:32, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 11:23:12 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:



My 1982 Shimano 600 springs also still work as good as new.
However, I had failure in the past on cheapo road bikes, brake went
mushy and then ... plink ... tchingalingaling ... part of the
spring broke off. Not a big deal and it's usually even possible to
ride home.

Well sure, you can buy all sorts of sh** that will fail -- which is
different from a spring getting soft.



Snapping off or getting soft, either way it will have to be replaced.


So many imaginary hazards!



A delusion is a false belief or impression that is firmly held even
though it is contradicted by reality and what is commonly considered
true.

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Old August 6th 17, 10:08 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 22:38:11 -0400, Frank Krygowski
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On 8/5/2017 4:23 PM, AMuzi wrote:


3. National health? YGBSM! The regulation is bad enough but actual
health care really? Check out the wonderful results of BIA hospital
system. Over a hundred years of rank incompetence, fraud, theft, waste
and error. Good luck expanding that.


Hmm. Why is it that just about every other modern westernized country
has a national health care system, and they all seem to deliver
significantly better outcomes at far lower cost than our system?

Why is it that America can't do as well?

Are we just not as intelligent as they are? Or is it some hideous fault
built into our economic system?


Even some developing countries have a national health system that is
better. In Thailand, a Thai, pays 30 baht, about US$1.00 a visit a
clinic. Any treatment or medicines prescribed by the doctor is free.
For the ladies over 60 and gentlemen over 65 it is totally free.
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Old August 6th 17, 03:31 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default How long should caliper brake springs last?

On 2017-08-05 19:33, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/5/2017 4:02 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-08-05 12:32, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 11:23:12 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:



My 1982 Shimano 600 springs also still work as good as new.
However, I had failure in the past on cheapo road bikes, brake went
mushy and then ... plink ... tchingalingaling ... part of the
spring broke off. Not a big deal and it's usually even possible to
ride home.

Well sure, you can buy all sorts of sh** that will fail -- which is
different from a spring getting soft.



Snapping off or getting soft, either way it will have to be replaced.


So many imaginary hazards!


No hazard. Just fell off and I had to ride home with a brake sitting a
bit cattywompus.

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  #55  
Old August 6th 17, 03:33 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default How long should caliper brake springs last?

On 2017-08-05 19:32, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/5/2017 10:59 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-08-04 18:06, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/4/2017 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-31 20:21, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/31/2017 5:50 PM, sms wrote:
On 7/27/2017 6:40 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 09:57:44 -0700, sms
wrote:

On 7/27/2017 7:08 AM, AMuzi wrote:

snip

In theory maybe but I've never seen that in real life. Rust is
ugly
but
in terms of % reduction of cross section of a spring, it's
meaningless.

The spring is not rusty. But it pops out with no effort, it's just
not
springy anymore. It seems to be fatigued.

The brake sets are cleaned and lubed. I may still order some
springs to
use these brakes on another road bike which has lower quality
brakes. If
I were in Wisconsin, I'm sure that AMuzi would have the springs in
stock, but the shops in Silicon Valley have little interest in
stocking
and selling little parts like this.


Probably because no one but you ever wanted to buy any :-(

Yet they are available online, so clearly someone has wanted them,
and
there are instructions online that refer to the need to replace weak
springs.

There are? Where?


The springs?

No, Joerg. The instructions.

Where are those instructions online that refer to the need to replace
weak springs.?


Why does anyone need instructions to figure out that a weakened spring
is no longer fit for service and should be replaced?


You're diverting the conversation. You said there were instructions
online referring to the need to replace weak springs. You haven't
produced a link.


Where did I write that? Quote please, no blah-blah again that you are
"too busy to back up your statements" or whatever.


In anything remotely like normal use, those springs last forever. The
fail about as often as the mounting nuts split in two.




--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
  #56  
Old August 6th 17, 03:35 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default How long should caliper brake springs last?

On 2017-08-05 17:56, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 05 Aug 2017 07:59:49 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-08-04 18:06, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/4/2017 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-31 20:21, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/31/2017 5:50 PM, sms wrote:
On 7/27/2017 6:40 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 09:57:44 -0700, sms
wrote:

On 7/27/2017 7:08 AM, AMuzi wrote:

snip

In theory maybe but I've never seen that in real life. Rust is ugly
but
in terms of % reduction of cross section of a spring, it's
meaningless.

The spring is not rusty. But it pops out with no effort, it's just
not
springy anymore. It seems to be fatigued.

The brake sets are cleaned and lubed. I may still order some
springs to
use these brakes on another road bike which has lower quality
brakes. If
I were in Wisconsin, I'm sure that AMuzi would have the springs in
stock, but the shops in Silicon Valley have little interest in
stocking
and selling little parts like this.


Probably because no one but you ever wanted to buy any :-(

Yet they are available online, so clearly someone has wanted them, and
there are instructions online that refer to the need to replace weak
springs.

There are? Where?


The springs?

No, Joerg. The instructions.

Where are those instructions online that refer to the need to replace
weak springs.?


Why does anyone need instructions to figure out that a weakened spring
is no longer fit for service and should be replaced?

Reminds me of "Attention, beverage is hot!" or "Do not put smoke
detector in mouth".


From the court case concerning McDonalds coffee it appears that Usians
do require a notice that "Attention, beverage is hot!" while
Europeans, or specifically the English (if they are considered
European) do not. At least U.S. courts heard the case while an English
court refused to hear a similar case calling it "frivolous".



I completely side with English court. They still assume that man is
capable of having common sense. What a concept!

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Old August 6th 17, 03:46 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default How long should caliper brake springs last?

On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 12:32:29 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:

Putting aside large scale producers, why should federal law apply to individual consumers? Health and welfare laws are typically the province of the states. Why shouldn't the states decide whether to legalize individual use of marijuana? Indeed, the conservative mantra is to rein in commerce clause legislation. I would think a true conservative would support state regulation of marijuana.


Something like a third of the population is manic-depressive to one degree or another. Drugs like marijuana make them feel better and they are almost immediately addicted. The idea that this doesn't lead to other drugs a large amount of the time is preposterous. I have had a brother who dies from the long term effect of illegal drugs and legalizing them doesn't change one iota that controlling the purity of drugs only leads of overdoses more readily.

California has the far larger problem of sanctuary cities. The common man on the street illegal isn't helped by these practices on iota. It is the most dangerous component of this group that is benefiting from it - the most dangerous felons.

The media makes EVERY single attempt possible to make it sound as if some poor father of three is being deported when in the real case he has been guilty of armed robbery or threatening others with a weapon.

Federal laws such as Trump is enforcing make sense. He hasn't written or passed them. They were written by the entire previous Congresses who have had long and tedious studies done that show the results of allowing these drugs to be readily available or dangerous felons to be allowed to stay in this country.
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Old August 6th 17, 05:36 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default How long should caliper brake springs last?

On 2017-08-06 07:46, wrote:
On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 12:32:29 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:

Putting aside large scale producers, why should federal law apply
to individual consumers? Health and welfare laws are typically the
province of the states. Why shouldn't the states decide whether to
legalize individual use of marijuana? Indeed, the conservative
mantra is to rein in commerce clause legislation. I would think a
true conservative would support state regulation of marijuana.


Something like a third of the population is manic-depressive to one
degree or another. Drugs like marijuana make them feel better and
they are almost immediately addicted. The idea that this doesn't lead
to other drugs a large amount of the time is preposterous. I have had
a brother who dies from the long term effect of illegal drugs and
legalizing them doesn't change one iota that controlling the purity
of drugs only leads of overdoses more readily.


It ratchets up. Legalize one drug and the dealers start pushing the next
level. Goes via peer pressure. "Hey, you've got to try this other stuff,
much better". I knew a lot of people in the Netherlands who all came to
grief this way. The ones that didn't die were probably worse off. Their
organs hadn't become totally destroyed but their brains had, turning
them to almost vegetative status yet with decades of "life" in front of
them.


California has the far larger problem of sanctuary cities. The common
man on the street illegal isn't helped by these practices on iota. It
is the most dangerous component of this group that is benefiting from
it - the most dangerous felons.


Yup :-(


The media makes EVERY single attempt possible to make it sound as if
some poor father of three is being deported when in the real case he
has been guilty of armed robbery or threatening others with a
weapon.

Federal laws such as Trump is enforcing make sense. He hasn't written
or passed them. They were written by the entire previous Congresses
who have had long and tedious studies done that show the results of
allowing these drugs to be readily available or dangerous felons to
be allowed to stay in this country.


Amen!

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Old August 6th 17, 05:42 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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Default How long should caliper brake springs last?

On 8/6/2017 10:33 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-08-05 19:32, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/5/2017 10:59 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-08-04 18:06, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/4/2017 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-31 20:21, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/31/2017 5:50 PM, sms wrote:
On 7/27/2017 6:40 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 09:57:44 -0700, sms
wrote:

On 7/27/2017 7:08 AM, AMuzi wrote:

snip

In theory maybe but I've never seen that in real life. Rust is
ugly
but
in terms of % reduction of cross section of a spring, it's
meaningless.

The spring is not rusty. But it pops out with no effort, it's just
not
springy anymore. It seems to be fatigued.

The brake sets are cleaned and lubed. I may still order some
springs to
use these brakes on another road bike which has lower quality
brakes. If
I were in Wisconsin, I'm sure that AMuzi would have the springs in
stock, but the shops in Silicon Valley have little interest in
stocking
and selling little parts like this.


Probably because no one but you ever wanted to buy any :-(

Yet they are available online, so clearly someone has wanted them,
and
there are instructions online that refer to the need to replace weak
springs.

There are? Where?


The springs?

No, Joerg. The instructions.

Where are those instructions online that refer to the need to replace
weak springs.?


Why does anyone need instructions to figure out that a weakened spring
is no longer fit for service and should be replaced?


You're diverting the conversation. You said there were instructions
online referring to the need to replace weak springs. You haven't
produced a link.


Where did I write that? Quote please, no blah-blah again that you are
"too busy to back up your statements" or whatever.


In anything remotely like normal use, those springs last forever. The
fail about as often as the mounting nuts split in two.


Good grief, Joerg, it's about 15 lines up in the post!

"... there are instructions online that refer to the need to replace
weak springs."



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Old August 6th 17, 05:49 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Joerg[_2_]
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Default How long should caliper brake springs last?

On 2017-08-06 09:42, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/6/2017 10:33 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-08-05 19:32, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/5/2017 10:59 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-08-04 18:06, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/4/2017 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-31 20:21, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/31/2017 5:50 PM, sms wrote:
On 7/27/2017 6:40 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 09:57:44 -0700, sms

wrote:

On 7/27/2017 7:08 AM, AMuzi wrote:

snip

In theory maybe but I've never seen that in real life. Rust is
ugly
but
in terms of % reduction of cross section of a spring, it's
meaningless.

The spring is not rusty. But it pops out with no effort, it's
just
not
springy anymore. It seems to be fatigued.

The brake sets are cleaned and lubed. I may still order some
springs to
use these brakes on another road bike which has lower quality
brakes. If
I were in Wisconsin, I'm sure that AMuzi would have the
springs in
stock, but the shops in Silicon Valley have little interest in
stocking
and selling little parts like this.


Probably because no one but you ever wanted to buy any :-(

Yet they are available online, so clearly someone has wanted them,
and
there are instructions online that refer to the need to replace
weak
springs.

There are? Where?


The springs?

No, Joerg. The instructions.

Where are those instructions online that refer to the need to replace
weak springs.?


Why does anyone need instructions to figure out that a weakened spring
is no longer fit for service and should be replaced?

You're diverting the conversation. You said there were instructions
online referring to the need to replace weak springs. You haven't
produced a link.


Where did I write that? Quote please, no blah-blah again that you are
"too busy to back up your statements" or whatever.


In anything remotely like normal use, those springs last forever. The
fail about as often as the mounting nuts split in two.


Good grief, Joerg, it's about 15 lines up in the post!

"... there are instructions online that refer to the need to replace
weak springs."


And who wrote that? Is it so difficult to find out? Take the fingers on
your hand and count. If that is too difficult for you page through the
real posts and then even you will know.

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