Carbon Bikes and Quality Control

On 5/31/2017 1:28 PM, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 11:25:15 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 7:46:33 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 6:16:30 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 4:58:45 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 1:19:49 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 11:20:29 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 10:32:10 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
Note to Tom: stop buying Colnagos.

- snip fork-
I bought an IRD fork off of the Internet. Since they are an Italian company they felt no need to entertain American tort laws.


IRD Italian?

AFAIK all IRD products are ROC origin and the URL
registration lists as Colma CA.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 12:53:03 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/31/2017 1:28 PM, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 11:25:15 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 7:46:33 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 6:16:30 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 4:58:45 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 1:19:49 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 11:20:29 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 10:32:10 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
Note to Tom: stop buying Colnagos.

- snip fork-
I bought an IRD fork off of the Internet. Since they are an Italian company they felt no need to entertain American tort laws.


IRD Italian?

AFAIK all IRD products are ROC origin and the URL
registration lists as Colma CA.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

My lawyer traced it to an Italian company and it was Italian lawyers that responded. Perhaps since it has been sold but this was 2012.

On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 2:41:52 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 12:53:03 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/31/2017 1:28 PM, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 11:25:15 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 7:46:33 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 6:16:30 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 4:58:45 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 1:19:49 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 11:20:29 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 10:32:10 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
Note to Tom: stop buying Colnagos.

- snip fork-
I bought an IRD fork off of the Internet. Since they are an Italian company they felt no need to entertain American tort laws.


IRD Italian?

AFAIK all IRD products are ROC origin and the URL
registration lists as Colma CA.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

My lawyer traced it to an Italian company and it was Italian lawyers that responded. Perhaps since it has been sold but this was 2012.

IRD was started in the mid-80s by a couple of guys in Southern Oregon. No Italian connection whatsoever. It is a brand owned by Interloc Design Group, a privately owned company in the Bay Area. AFAIK, all Asian production. The Mosaic forks look like Kinesis forks from ten years ago.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 3:19:34 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 2:41:52 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 12:53:03 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/31/2017 1:28 PM, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 11:25:15 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 7:46:33 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 6:16:30 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 4:58:45 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 1:19:49 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 11:20:29 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 10:32:10 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
Note to Tom: stop buying Colnagos.

- snip fork-
I bought an IRD fork off of the Internet. Since they are an Italian company they felt no need to entertain American tort laws.


IRD Italian?

AFAIK all IRD products are ROC origin and the URL
registration lists as Colma CA.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

My lawyer traced it to an Italian company and it was Italian lawyers that responded. Perhaps since it has been sold but this was 2012.

IRD was started in the mid-80s by a couple of guys in Southern Oregon. No Italian connection whatsoever. It is a brand owned by Interloc Design Group, a privately owned company in the Bay Area. AFAIK, all Asian production.. The Mosaic forks look like Kinesis forks from ten years ago.

How about Hodaka? And what is the "Pacific Basin" ?

On 5/31/2017 5:59 PM, Doug Landau wrote:
On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 3:19:34 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 2:41:52 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 12:53:03 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/31/2017 1:28 PM, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 11:25:15 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 7:46:33 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 6:16:30 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 4:58:45 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 1:19:49 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 11:20:29 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 10:32:10 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
Note to Tom: stop buying Colnagos.

- snip fork-
I bought an IRD fork off of the Internet. Since they are an Italian company they felt no need to entertain American tort laws.


IRD Italian?

AFAIK all IRD products are ROC origin and the URL
registration lists as Colma CA.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

My lawyer traced it to an Italian company and it was Italian lawyers that responded. Perhaps since it has been sold but this was 2012.

IRD was started in the mid-80s by a couple of guys in Southern Oregon. No Italian connection whatsoever. It is a brand owned by Interloc Design Group, a privately owned company in the Bay Area. AFAIK, all Asian production. The Mosaic forks look like Kinesis forks from ten years ago.

How about Hodaka? And what is the "Pacific Basin" ?


Hodaka is first rate, competent across a range of products
with excellent consistency and exemplary QC.

Pacific Basin is Colombia to San Diego to Vancouver BC then
Japan, Seoul, Taiwan, Melbourne and all in between.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wed, 31 May 2017 07:37:39 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 5:10:23 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 5/30/2017 4:58 PM, wrote:

snip

The bike shop submitted a claim to Cannondale. Cannondale came back with
their decision today and said they would offer me 20 percent off for
crash replacement.
This is how a "lifetime warranty" often ends up. It's really no warranty
at all. They get to decide if the defect was because of a design or
fabrication issue, or if it was due to something that they are not
responsible for. They know that the likelihood of a customer pursuing it
further is unlikely. They probably have some arbitration clause so you
couldn't sue them in small claims court, and the cost of arbitration is
more than the frame is worth.

I had this with something as stupid as "My Pillow". I was itching all the time so I was afraid that I had gotten bed bugs. (turned out to be old age) I washed the My Pillow as they say you can and after three dryer cycles it still wasn't dry. I put it out in the sun on a hot day all day long. It felt dry do I put it on my bed and the next time I went to change the pillow case it was mildewed.

I called the company and had to argue with them for 20 minutes before they agreed to replace it with their "Lifetime Guarantee".

Strange. You must be buying lower quality pillows, or you lack certain
"house keeping" skills, as my wife of forty some years has been
washing pillows ever since we were married (and probably before) and
not a one has mildewed :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 3:19:34 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 2:41:52 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 12:53:03 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/31/2017 1:28 PM, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 11:25:15 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 7:46:33 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 6:16:30 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 4:58:45 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 1:19:49 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 11:20:29 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 10:32:10 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
Note to Tom: stop buying Colnagos.

- snip fork-
I bought an IRD fork off of the Internet. Since they are an Italian company they felt no need to entertain American tort laws.


IRD Italian?

AFAIK all IRD products are ROC origin and the URL
registration lists as Colma CA.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

My lawyer traced it to an Italian company and it was Italian lawyers that responded. Perhaps since it has been sold but this was 2012.

IRD was started in the mid-80s by a couple of guys in Southern Oregon. No Italian connection whatsoever. It is a brand owned by Interloc Design Group, a privately owned company in the Bay Area. AFAIK, all Asian production.. The Mosaic forks look like Kinesis forks from ten years ago.

-- Jay Beattie.

The forks had a large IRD emblazoned upon them. The doesn't sound like IDG to me. Tell you what, I can put you in touch with my lawyer at a large firm and you can tell him he doesn't know what he's talking about.

On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 7:40:24 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2017 07:37:39 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 5:10:23 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 5/30/2017 4:58 PM, wrote:

snip

The bike shop submitted a claim to Cannondale. Cannondale came back with
their decision today and said they would offer me 20 percent off for
crash replacement.
This is how a "lifetime warranty" often ends up. It's really no warranty
at all. They get to decide if the defect was because of a design or
fabrication issue, or if it was due to something that they are not
responsible for. They know that the likelihood of a customer pursuing it
further is unlikely. They probably have some arbitration clause so you
couldn't sue them in small claims court, and the cost of arbitration is
more than the frame is worth.

I had this with something as stupid as "My Pillow". I was itching all the time so I was afraid that I had gotten bed bugs. (turned out to be old age) I washed the My Pillow as they say you can and after three dryer cycles it still wasn't dry. I put it out in the sun on a hot day all day long. It felt dry do I put it on my bed and the next time I went to change the pillow case it was mildewed.

I called the company and had to argue with them for 20 minutes before they agreed to replace it with their "Lifetime Guarantee".

Strange. You must be buying lower quality pillows, or you lack certain
"house keeping" skills, as my wife of forty some years has been
washing pillows ever since we were married (and probably before) and
not a one has mildewed :-)


Perhaps she doesn't put them in bedbug proof covers.

On Wed, 31 May 2017 21:09:04 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 7:40:24 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2017 07:37:39 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 5:10:23 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 5/30/2017 4:58 PM, wrote:

snip

The bike shop submitted a claim to Cannondale. Cannondale came back with
their decision today and said they would offer me 20 percent off for
crash replacement.
This is how a "lifetime warranty" often ends up. It's really no warranty
at all. They get to decide if the defect was because of a design or
fabrication issue, or if it was due to something that they are not
responsible for. They know that the likelihood of a customer pursuing it
further is unlikely. They probably have some arbitration clause so you
couldn't sue them in small claims court, and the cost of arbitration is
more than the frame is worth.

I had this with something as stupid as "My Pillow". I was itching all the time so I was afraid that I had gotten bed bugs. (turned out to be old age) I washed the My Pillow as they say you can and after three dryer cycles it still wasn't dry. I put it out in the sun on a hot day all day long. It felt dry do I put it on my bed and the next time I went to change the pillow case it was mildewed.

I called the company and had to argue with them for 20 minutes before they agreed to replace it with their "Lifetime Guarantee".

Strange. You must be buying lower quality pillows, or you lack certain
"house keeping" skills, as my wife of forty some years has been
washing pillows ever since we were married (and probably before) and
not a one has mildewed :-)


Perhaps she doesn't put them in bedbug proof covers.

And perhaps we don't have bed bugs in our house. But more seriously
you are supposed to remove the covers and wash them separately.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 11:00:52 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2017 21:09:04 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 7:40:24 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2017 07:37:39 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 5:10:23 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 5/30/2017 4:58 PM, wrote:

snip

The bike shop submitted a claim to Cannondale. Cannondale came back with
their decision today and said they would offer me 20 percent off for
crash replacement.
This is how a "lifetime warranty" often ends up. It's really no warranty
at all. They get to decide if the defect was because of a design or
fabrication issue, or if it was due to something that they are not
responsible for. They know that the likelihood of a customer pursuing it
further is unlikely. They probably have some arbitration clause so you
couldn't sue them in small claims court, and the cost of arbitration is
more than the frame is worth.

I had this with something as stupid as "My Pillow". I was itching all the time so I was afraid that I had gotten bed bugs. (turned out to be old age) I washed the My Pillow as they say you can and after three dryer cycles it still wasn't dry. I put it out in the sun on a hot day all day long. It felt dry do I put it on my bed and the next time I went to change the pillow case it was mildewed.

I called the company and had to argue with them for 20 minutes before they agreed to replace it with their "Lifetime Guarantee".

Strange. You must be buying lower quality pillows, or you lack certain
"house keeping" skills, as my wife of forty some years has been
washing pillows ever since we were married (and probably before) and
not a one has mildewed :-)


Perhaps she doesn't put them in bedbug proof covers.

And perhaps we don't have bed bugs in our house. But more seriously
you are supposed to remove the covers and wash them separately.
--
Cheers,

John B.

I thought I made this clear in previous postings - when I was recovering from the concussion all of my skin itched so badly I thought I might have bedbugs. At the same time my vision was growing more and more far-sighted so that I had to wear glasses to see anything up close.

The itching turned out to be an allergy to synthetics but in the meantime I sprayed the mattress and bought new pillows.

One of the symptoms of a seizure is heavy sweating which completely soaks the bedding so I had to put covers on the mattress and pillows to keep them dry. Before I got the cover for the pillow I completely soaked it with a seizure while my medication was still being balanced.

People seem to think a concussion is no big deal - a headache for a little while. Just hope you don't get one. Each seizure destroys more of your memories. Luckily the portion of my brain effected is mostly social so my ability to think isn't impaired. But it could just as easily have turned me into a turnip. The way it is I can no longer visualize numbers. Even using a calculator I mistake which direction to move the decimal point to turn numbers into percentages.