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Old March 3rd 12, 09:48 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.rec.driving,uk.transport
Bertie Wooster[_2_]
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ALL ROAD USERS BEWARE!

There are more than 2,800 drivers with 12 or more points on their
licence still permitted to drive in London, according to figures from
the DVLA. The figures also show there is one person with a shocking 30
points, with current entitlement to drive.

Research has identified a link between road traffic offences and
criminal behaviour. One study highlighted a clear proportional
increase in collision fault among those with offence history.

Jenny Jones AM said: “The scale of this problem is quite frightening.
These 2,800 drivers are getting away with reckless driving. They’ve
been offending and therefore building up points on their licence, but
still being able to drive. Of course there are instances where
magistrates need to use their discretion, but the police need to know
its actually worthwhile catching these criminals. Research has also
shown drivers with points on their licence are more likely to have
previous convictions and be involved in a collision. These drivers are
breaking the rules and getting away with it. ”
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1. Figures on points obtained from an FOI request to the DVLA

Current Points Number of drivers
12 1596
15 225
20 23
25 1
30 1

2. According to a government website, if a driver builds up 12 or
more points within a period of 3 years, they are liable to lose their
licence and be disqualified under the ‘totting up’ system.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...ons/DG_4022550
3. A study by Loughborough University showed a link between
offences and criminality.
http://www.lboro.ac.uk/media/wwwlbor...es-summary.pdf
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Old March 3rd 12, 11:10 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.rec.driving,uk.transport
Dave - Cyclists VOR
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On 03/03/2012 08:48, Bertie Wooster wrote:
ALL ROAD USERS BEWARE!

There are more than 2,800 drivers with 12 or more points on their
licence still permitted to drive in London,


Or 0.0085 % of UK motorists.

OMG. Shock ****ing horror.




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Old March 3rd 12, 11:21 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.rec.driving,uk.transport
jnugent
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On 03/03/2012 08:48, Bertie Wooster wrote:

Research has identified a link between road traffic offences and
criminal behaviour.


Imprison all cyclists immediately as a pre-emptive measure, then.

They are the most prolific perpetrators of road traffic offences, after all.
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Old March 3rd 12, 11:28 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.rec.driving,uk.transport
jnugent
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On 03/03/2012 08:48, Bertie Wooster wrote:

ALL ROAD USERS BEWARE!


There are more than 2,800 drivers with 12 or more points on their
licence still permitted to drive in London, according to figures from
the DVLA. The figures also show there is one person with a shocking 30
points, with current entitlement to drive.
Research has identified a link between road traffic offences and
criminal behaviour. One study highlighted a clear proportional
increase in collision fault among those with offence history.
Jenny Jones AM [the well-known nutter, who is apparently very
easily "frightened"] said: “The scale of this problem is quite
frightening.


Really?

I should be frightened because there's a bloke half a mile away who got three
points for each bald tyre, all of which have now been replaced with new ones?

Why? What's "frightening" about ink on paper?

These 2,800 drivers are getting away with reckless driving. They’ve
been offending and therefore building up points on their licence, but
still being able to drive. Of course there are instances where
magistrates need to use their discretion, but the police need to know
its actually worthwhile catching these criminals.


Many ordinary people are "caught" everyday by cameras. The police aren't
involved except tangentially and bureaucratically.

No-one sensible takes Mad Jenny seriously.
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Old March 3rd 12, 12:58 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.rec.driving,uk.transport
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In article ,
Bertie Wooster wrote:
Research has identified a link between road traffic offences and
criminal behaviour. One study highlighted a clear proportional
increase in collision fault among those with offence history.


Given pretty well every cyclist commits traffic offences many times a day,
what point are you making?

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Old March 3rd 12, 03:15 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.rec.driving,uk.transport
Adam Lea[_3_]
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On 03/03/12 11:58, Dave Plowman wrote:

Given pretty well every cyclist commits traffic offences many times a day,


Incorrect.

Assertion /= fact.
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Old March 3rd 12, 03:24 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.rec.driving,uk.transport
jnugent
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On 03/03/2012 14:15, Adam Lea wrote:

On 03/03/12 11:58, Dave Plowman wrote:


Given pretty well every cyclist commits traffic offences many times a day,


Incorrect.
Assertion /= fact.


It is observable empirically.

No-one and no body with credibility and gravitas could possibly assert that
cyclists, as a class, are anything but the least observant group when it
comes to road traffic law.

It matters not that individually, they don't break the law when on foot or
behind the wheel of a motor vehicle. Put someone on a bike and the odds are
that they immediately turn into a self-centred scofflaw chav. Furthermore,
they refuse to recognise their own status and will often seek to blame others
for their own misdeeds.

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Old March 3rd 12, 04:55 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.rec.driving,uk.transport
Dave Plowman
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Default Drivers with 12 or more points still on the road

In article ,
Adam Lea wrote:
Given pretty well every cyclist commits traffic offences many times a
day,


Incorrect.


Assertion /= fact.


I'm obviously just speaking for the ones I see. Those that don't go
through red traffic lights or ride on the pavement etc are so rare they
can safely be ignored, percentage wise.

But of course cyclists have their own definition of traffic offences.

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Old March 3rd 12, 05:13 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.rec.driving,uk.transport
Mrcheerful[_3_]
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Default Drivers with 12 or more points still on the road

Dave Plowman wrote:
In article ,
Adam Lea wrote:
Given pretty well every cyclist commits traffic offences many times
a day,


Incorrect.


Assertion /= fact.


I'm obviously just speaking for the ones I see. Those that don't go
through red traffic lights or ride on the pavement etc are so rare
they can safely be ignored, percentage wise.

But of course cyclists have their own definition of traffic offences.


and they would say it is just anecdotal


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Old March 3rd 12, 06:08 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.rec.driving,uk.transport
Dave - Cyclists VOR
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Default Drivers with 12 or more points still on the road

On 03/03/2012 14:24, JNugent wrote:
On 03/03/2012 14:15, Adam Lea wrote:

On 03/03/12 11:58, Dave Plowman wrote:


Given pretty well every cyclist commits traffic offences many times a
day,


Incorrect.
Assertion /= fact.


It is observable empirically.


Indeed. Today at 3:48 pm in Greenhithe, Kent I saw a cyclist stop at a
red light & wait till it changed.

"When a dog bites a man, that is not news, because it happens so often.
But if a man bites a dog, that is news".

Attributed to New York Sun editor John B. Bogart (1848–1921):


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