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Being told to slow down by a ped
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 06:28:18 -0700
Simon L wrote: On 7 Jun, 14:06, BigRab wrote: Remember that your (say) 15 mph is maybe 5 x pedestrian speed. It's (ok stretching the limits!) the same as a car passing you at 100 mph on the road. Think what you'd mutter at them LOL Robert Do you pass peds at (say) 5mph? Based on my description of events, the concencus is that I was going too fast. Does the highway code have any suggestions? Depends. If you can give them ample, safe, and above all non-scary clearance (like, say, 3 metres), then there's absolutely no problem with 20mph. If you're down to one metre, you go much slower: maybe 2*walking speed. Or even get off and walk past if necessary (for example if the ped is slow/unsteady through age or physical disability), though that's exceptional. If the peds took trouble to move out of your way, then either it's too narrow for a shared-use path, or they were paranoid. In either case, common courtesy says don't scare them. -- not me guv |
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Being told to slow down by a ped
Simon L wrote on 07/06/2007 14:28 +0100:
On 7 Jun, 14:06, BigRab wrote: Remember that your (say) 15 mph is maybe 5 x pedestrian speed. It's (ok stretching the limits!) the same as a car passing you at 100 mph on the road. Think what you'd mutter at them LOL Robert Do you pass peds at (say) 5mph? Based on my description of events, the concencus is that I was going too fast. Does the highway code have any suggestions? You won't find a speed in the Highway Code but the best advice is to treat them as you would like to be treated if the roles were reversed. How fast should a car pass you - well how fast in the circumstances would you like a car to pass you. How fast should you pass a pedestrian ? No faster than you would like a bike to pass you in that place if you were the pedestrian. Simple and works virtually every time. -- Tony "The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there is no good evidence either way." - Bertrand Russell |
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Being told to slow down by a ped
Simon L said the following on 07/06/2007 14:39:
Do you pass peds at (say) 5mph? If necessary, yes, or even stop. I might stop with my front wheel under their nose, mind :-) It strikes me (he says, whittering on) that there are alot of parallels here with car / bike shared use, ie a lack of understanding between both parties. NB standing by the side of the path tightly clutching your dog is an invitation for a cyclist to procede with less fear of collision, like a cyclist in the gutter for a car. You do have a valid point here, but I feel that as cyclists we have a bad enough reputation, so we ought to do what we can to address that. In your OP, you obviously gave the dog-walker some concern, and that dog-walker might be about to get into a car and treat a cyclist the same way they felt you treated them. I don't mean that we should go around grovelling to all and sundry, but just be human beings all trying to get along. This seems to work on bridleways where even horsey types and MTBers generally get along. There are always exceptions - the RedSocks!) If a dog walker hasn't seen me and / or has a yappy dog on lead stretched all across the path then caution is to be exercised. Yup. There is a drawback to that plan as I'm sure you've discovered. The scenario - night-time, you're riding along and a ped has clearly seen you and is standing aside. It hasn't occurred to them that they really ought to do something about their dog on the other side of the path on the end of an invisible black lead. Whenever I see a ped, I always look for a dog! -- Paul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/ |
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Simon L said the following on 07/06/2007 14:17:
if you know how much **** there is on the old railway path to Whitchurch you might understand my frustration. When I cycle in the local woods, I always have a water bottle with me. Not to drink from, but to jet-wash dog **** off my tyres :-( The problem is with the owners though, not the dogs. -- Paul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/ |
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Simon L wrote:
On 7 Jun, 14:06, BigRab wrote: Remember that your (say) 15 mph is maybe 5 x pedestrian speed. It's (ok stretching the limits!) the same as a car passing you at 100 mph on the road. Think what you'd mutter at them LOL Robert Do you pass peds at (say) 5mph? Based on my description of events, the concencus is that I was going too fast. Does the highway code have any suggestions? "105: Drive at a speed that will allow you to stop well within the distance you can see to be clear." Cheers, Luke -- Red Rose Ramblings, the diary of an Essex boy in exile in Lancashire http://www.shrimper.org.uk |
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On Thu, 2007-06-07 at 15:50 +0100, Paul Boyd wrote:
Simon L said the following on 07/06/2007 14:17: if you know how much **** there is on the old railway path to Whitchurch you might understand my frustration. When I cycle in the local woods, I always have a water bottle with me. Not to drink from, but to jet-wash dog **** off my tyres :-( The problem is with the owners though, not the dogs. It may be a little obsessive-compulsive of me, but I hope you wouldn't mind if I didn't take a drink from you if we were to go riding together. A |
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When I cycle in the local woods, I always have a water bottle with me.
Not to drink from, but to jet-wash dog **** off my tyres :-( The problem is with the owners though, not the dogs. As a cyclist and a dog owner I have two comments: (1) Any cyclist who shares a path with pedestrians, and particularly with ones with a dog should slow down to walking pace to pass if you cannot pass within a reasonable distance, say 5M. The dog may see you as a threat when approaching at speed and will become unpredictable for both you and the owners. (2) If you're cycling off a recognised path through the woods then you're going to get all kinds of **** on your tyres, dog, badger, deer, bird, etc, that's to be expected. If you're on the path then the dirty dog owners should pick it up. Voice your opinion to the owners as you pass. |
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Being told to slow down by a ped
On 7 Jun, 16:46, Kevin wrote:
Any cyclist who shares a path with pedestrians, and particularly with ones with a dog should slow down to walking pace to pass if you cannot pass within a reasonable distance, say 5M. I havn't seen many motorists slowing to walking pace when passing within 5m of pedestrians. |
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Being told to slow down by a ped
in message . com, Simon L
') wrote: If anyone knows the cycleway / footpath that goes along the Avon north of Bristol Temple Meads to Barton HIll, you'll know where I mean. It's a shared use path with no dividing lines. The width varies considerably from barely room for two bikes to pass comfortably, although there is often plenty more than that. It's downhill towards BTM so I'm probably doing 17 - 20 mph on a straight bit with good visiblity, quite a few dog walkers around and a pair are in front of me facing me dragging along a dog that's more like a horse. On passing them I hear something muttered that only after I've passed do I make out. They were standing at the side of the path for me to pass holding the dog tightly and I was surprised to be asked to Slow down (please). Not sure where I'm going with this thread, maybe she has a point. I'm quite careful around dogs as I don't want to run the *******s over and hurt myself. I felt I was riding within my safety limits, she didn't. End of story? There are two sides to this. Shared use paths are essentially dangerous at any useful speed, and should be avoided if you want to get anywhere reasonably quickly. OTOH, if it is a shared use path then it isn't a responsible thing to walk dogs on it. So I think there's a bit of fault on both sides, and I certainly think it's reasonable for pedestrians to ask you to slow down to about 10-12mph if you are passing close to them. -- (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/ ;; I can't work yanks out...... ;; Why do they frown upon sex yet relish violence? ;; Deep Fried Lettuce |
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