Clean Winners of the Tour de France - as far as we know.

We've all seen this but only in 1990 do we have a clean rider on the
podium for the years Armstrong doped his way to first place.

You have to go pretty deep to find a clean rider.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4111/...acf5edfd_b.jpg

1999 winner of the Tour de France is now Fernando Escartin.

2000 winner is ( you have to go to 8th place to find a non-doper ) is
also Fernado Escartin !

2001 winner is Andrei Kivilev

2002 won by José Azevedo

2003 won by Haimar Zubeldia

2004 won by José Azevedo

2005 won by (former 8th place) Cadel Evans

Methodology was to wiki the tour then wiki the gc until I found no
(historically) doping allegations/implications or positive tests/
suspensions listed.

Also note 2009 - now won by Andy Schleck

On May 21, 7:38*pm, Anton Berlin wrote:
We've all seen this but only in 1990 do we have a clean rider on the
podium for the years Armstrong doped his way to first place.

You have to go pretty deep to find a clean rider.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4111/...acf5edfd_b.jpg

1999 winner of the Tour de France is now Fernando Escartin.

2000 winner is ( you have to go to 8th place to find a non-doper ) is
also Fernado Escartin !

2001 winner is Andrei Kivilev

2002 won by José Azevedo

2003 won by Haimar Zubeldia

2004 won by *José Azevedo

2005 won by (former 8th place) Cadel Evans

Methodology was to wiki the tour then wiki the gc until I found no
(historically) doping allegations/implications or positive tests/
suspensions listed.

Also note 2009 - now won by Andy Schleck

Really? You're more gullible than I thought. "Clean"? It's an
illusion, you have no idea at all if these guys are "clean", and
there's every indication that they're not. Your "evidence" of no
allegations/implications is simply silly - anyone who was in top 20 on
GC in a GT for the past couple of decades is suspect, and more than
likely a doper. Just what it takes to be in that group.

I knew your pursuit of LA was ridiculous, but this list you've
compiled seals the deal.

Anton Berlin wrote:
2001 winner is Andrei Kivilev

He rode for Festina until 1999. If you believe he was clean, you'd
better sell all your stuff and get ready for the rapture.

2005 won by (former 8th place) Cadel Evans

Didn't he have an "association" with Ferrari ?

Really? You're more gullible than I thought. "Clean"? It's an
illusion, you have no idea at all if these guys are "clean", and
there's every indication that they're not. Your "evidence" of no
allegations/implications is simply silly - anyone who was in top 20 on
GC in a GT for the past couple of decades is suspect, and more than
likely a doper. Just what it takes to be in that group.


I agree - just making the point.

On May 22, 8:05*am, Anton Berlin wrote:
Really? You're more gullible than I thought. "Clean"? It's an
illusion, you have no idea at all if these guys are "clean", and
there's every indication that they're not. Your "evidence" of no
allegations/implications is simply silly - anyone who was in top 20 on
GC in a GT for the past couple of decades is suspect, and more than
likely a doper. Just what it takes to be in that group.

I agree - just making the point.

OK, but then don't add the disclaimer "as far as we know".

OK, but then don't add the disclaimer "as far as we know".

???? It means one SHOULD add the disclaimer

On May 22, 2:17*pm, Brad Anders wrote:
On May 22, 8:05*am, Anton Berlin wrote:

Really? You're more gullible than I thought. "Clean"? It's an
illusion, you have no idea at all if these guys are "clean", and
there's every indication that they're not. Your "evidence" of no
allegations/implications is simply silly - anyone who was in top 20 on
GC in a GT for the past couple of decades is suspect, and more than
likely a doper. Just what it takes to be in that group.

I agree - just making the point.

OK, but then don't add the disclaimer "as far as we know".

Dumbasses,

The last clean winner of the Tour de France was Roger
Walkowiak, who won in 1956.

Walkowiak was an unknown rider who got into a long break
and then was unexpectedly able to defend his lead.
(Ironically, wikipedia claims his victory was widely derided
because he wasn't a big star and won without ... panache.)
Given his unknown pedigree and the state of cycling at the time,
it's fairly safe to say that Walkowiak would have had a doping
programme much less sophisticated than the favorites of
the day - he might not have been able to afford much of a
doping programme at all.

So although we can't say with certainty that Walkowiak was
clean, he was probably cleaner than his contemporaries, thus
we may declare him clean by the standards of professional
cycling. Definitely more so than any of his successors, all of
whom are under suspicion, as are their companions on the
lower steps of the podium.

It is a tragedy that the Tour de France was ever run and won
again after Walkowiak's honest victory. It would have been
better for cycling (and for honest bike-mongers, who would
hardly want to sell products ridden by a dirty dog doper) if the
Tour had stopped in 1956. I hope and trust that cycling's
bout of self-examination will result in a retroactive re-ranking
of the results that disqualifies the winners of the last 54 Tours.

Sincerely,
Fredmaster Ben

Fredmaster of Brainerd a écrit profondement:

| The last clean winner of the Tour de France was Roger
| Walkowiak, who won in 1956.

It's highly unlikely that Walkowiak was clean.

He'd never have got onto the team if he was.

There's probably never been a "clean" winner of the Tour.

Consider that by 1930 doping was so well entrenched, and generally
accepted, that the Tour Race Bible that year listed "Dope" as one of the
Items that the organizers would not supply for the riders.

Choppy Warburton probably introduced cycling to drugs from the very
earliest days of bike racing with his prototype Pot Belge consisting of
Ether, Cocaine, Strychnine, Caffein and Alcohol.

Choppy himself had been a prolific winner in Foot/Running races from the mid
1860's on, having something like 1,000 victories to his credit. It was
widely considered that he doped to win.

Several of his riders, after he switched form competing to coaching,
died young and one, Tom Linton died right after the 1896 Bordeaux-Paris
where I believe he finished second.

--
Davey Crockett
Flying the Flag of the English
The Flag of Hengest and Horsa
http://usera.imagecave.com/daveycroc...lishdragon.jpg

On May 25, 1:52*am, Davey Crockett wrote:
Fredmaster of Brainerd a écrit profondement:

| The last clean winner of the Tour de France was Roger
| Walkowiak, who won in 1956.

It's highly unlikely that Walkowiak was clean.

He'd never have got onto the team if he was.

There's probably never been a "clean" winner of the Tour.

Consider that by 1930 doping was so well entrenched, and generally
accepted, that the Tour Race Bible that year listed "Dope" as one of the
Items that the organizers would not supply for the riders.

Choppy Warburton probably introduced cycling to drugs from the very
earliest days of bike racing with his prototype Pot Belge consisting of
Ether, Cocaine, Strychnine, Caffein and Alcohol.

Choppy himself had been a prolific winner in Foot/Running races *from the mid
*1860's on, having something like 1,000 victories to his credit. It was
*widely considered that he doped to win.

Several of his riders, after he switched form competing to coaching,
*died young and one, Tom Linton died right after the 1896 Bordeaux-Paris
*where I believe he finished second.

--
Davey Crockett
Flying the Flag of the English
The Flag of Hengest and Horsahttp://usera.imagecave.com/daveycrockett/englishdragon.jpg

Davey, thanks for the recognition. I've been keeping myself alive and
still running local races through the use of strychnine, cocaine, EPO
and small amounts of nitro-glycerin. I will be celebrating my 166th
birthday this Nov and count almost every well known cyclist, DS and
trainer as pupils of mine. If you know their name, they know me.

In article ,
Davey Crockett wrote:

Fredmaster of Brainerd a écrit profondement:

| The last clean winner of the Tour de France was Roger
| Walkowiak, who won in 1956.

It's highly unlikely that Walkowiak was clean.

I did not take his statement at face value.

He'd never have got onto the team if he was.

There's probably never been a "clean" winner of the Tour.

Consider that by 1930 doping was so well entrenched, and generally
accepted, that the Tour Race Bible that year listed "Dope" as one of the
Items that the organizers would not supply for the riders.

Choppy Warburton probably introduced cycling to drugs from the very
earliest days of bike racing with his prototype Pot Belge consisting of
Ether, Cocaine, Strychnine, Caffein and Alcohol.

Choppy himself had been a prolific winner in Foot/Running races from the mid
1860's on, having something like 1,000 victories to his credit. It was
widely considered that he doped to win.

Several of his riders, after he switched form competing to coaching,
died young and one, Tom Linton died right after the 1896 Bordeaux-Paris
where I believe he finished second.

So what you are saying is that doping is much safer these days.

--
Old Fritz