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Old April 14th 17, 12:27 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Old April 14th 17, 05:35 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 12:27:50 PM UTC+1, colwyn wrote:
http://www.cyclinguk.org/blog/duncan.../mason-verdict


Due process of law found the defendant not guilty and that is the end of the matter.

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Old April 15th 17, 02:12 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 14/04/2017 17:35, wrote:

On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 12:27:50 PM UTC+1, colwyn wrote:


http://www.cyclinguk.org/blog/duncan.../mason-verdict

Due process of law found the defendant not guilty and that is the end of the matter.


Indeed.

But the way in which that happened - culminating in the jury each
individually rejecting the prosecution "case" without any need for
persuasion of jurors with outlyer views - is worthy of note.

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Old April 15th 17, 10:17 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 15.04.2017 13:12, JNugent wrote:
On 14/04/2017 17:35, wrote:

On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 12:27:50 PM UTC+1, colwyn wrote:


http://www.cyclinguk.org/blog/duncan.../mason-verdict

Due process of law found the defendant not guilty and that is the end
of the matter.


Indeed.

But the way in which that happened - culminating in the jury each
individually rejecting the prosecution "case" without any need for
persuasion of jurors with outlyer views - is worthy of note.

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Yes.
The car hit the bicyclist on the driver's side.
What was the bicyclist doing so far away from the left side of the road?
I suppose we will never know.
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Old April 17th 17, 10:38 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 14/04/2017 17:35, wrote:
On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 12:27:50 PM UTC+1, colwyn wrote:
http://www.cyclinguk.org/blog/duncan.../mason-verdict

Due process of law found the defendant not guilty and that is the end of the matter.


Of course it isn't.

The law clearly isn't protecting cyclists from negligent drivers.

Anyone who cycles will know that selfish and dangerous driving is common.

More needs to be done. An obvious start would be a requirement for cars
to be fitted with camera recording equipment so that juries can see the
truth. At the moment reasonable doubt means careless and aggressive
motorists can hide behind a defence of bad luck or an isolated incident.











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Old April 17th 17, 10:45 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 17/04/2017 10:38, Nick wrote:
On 14/04/2017 17:35, wrote:
On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 12:27:50 PM UTC+1, colwyn wrote:
http://www.cyclinguk.org/blog/duncan.../mason-verdict

Due process of law found the defendant not guilty and that is the end
of the matter.


Of course it isn't.

The law clearly isn't protecting cyclists from negligent drivers.

Anyone who cycles will know that selfish and dangerous driving is common.


Anyone with eyes sees the disgraceful habits of the average cyclist, it
is not surprising in the least that some of the cyclists get run over.

If cyclists cleaned up their own behaviour the casualty rate would plummet.

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Old April 17th 17, 11:11 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 17/04/2017 10:45, MrCheerful wrote:

Anyone with eyes sees the disgraceful habits of the average cyclist, it
is not surprising in the least that some of the cyclists get run over.

If cyclists cleaned up their own behaviour the casualty rate would plummet.

Yep, that is right if cyclists were more careful there would be a lot
less bruises and road rash.

If car drivers were more careful there would be a lower risk of cyclist
fatality, more cyclists, less congestion, less pollution, better health.
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Old April 17th 17, 12:55 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 17/04/2017 11:11, Nick wrote:
On 17/04/2017 10:45, MrCheerful wrote:

Anyone with eyes sees the disgraceful habits of the average cyclist, it
is not surprising in the least that some of the cyclists get run over.

If cyclists cleaned up their own behaviour the casualty rate would
plummet.

Yep, that is right if cyclists were more careful there would be a lot
less bruises and road rash.

If car drivers were more careful there would be a lower risk of cyclist
fatality, more cyclists, less congestion, less pollution, better health.


Casualties include deaths.

Until cycling can be seen by the general public to be safe it will not
be seen as desirable, the existing cyclists need to improve, until then
they will continue to suffer attrition, and ostracism.
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Old April 17th 17, 02:23 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 17/04/2017 10:38, Nick wrote:

On 14/04/2017 17:35, wrote:
On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 12:27:50 PM UTC+1, colwyn wrote:


http://www.cyclinguk.org/blog/duncan.../mason-verdict

Due process of law found the defendant not guilty and that is the end
of the matter.


Of course it isn't.


Actually, it is. That's the way that criminal trials work in civilised
countries. Even ill-advised private prosecutions brought maliciously.

The law clearly isn't protecting cyclists from negligent drivers.


Which negligent driver are you talking about in the instant case?

Anyone who cycles will know that selfish and dangerous driving is common.


Anyone who drives or walks will know that selfish and dangerous cycling
is exceptionally common.

More needs to be done. An obvious start would be a requirement for cars
to be fitted with camera recording equipment so that juries can see the
truth. At the moment reasonable doubt means careless and aggressive
motorists can hide behind a defence of bad luck or an isolated incident.


What did the deceased cyclist's camera reveal?


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Old April 18th 17, 12:06 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 17/04/17 14:23, JNugent wrote:
On 17/04/2017 10:38, Nick wrote:


Anyone who cycles will know that selfish and dangerous driving is common.


Anyone who drives or walks will know that selfish and dangerous cycling
is exceptionally common.


I don't know this. It should be clear to anyone that walks that the
greatest demand on survival skills comes from staying out of the way of
motor vehicles.

More needs to be done. An obvious start would be a requirement for cars
to be fitted with camera recording equipment so that juries can see the
truth. At the moment reasonable doubt means careless and aggressive
motorists can hide behind a defence of bad luck or an isolated incident.


What did the deceased cyclist's camera reveal?


The obvious lesson is to have one (or two).

 




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