Bird and beer ride

On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 8:10:16 PM UTC, Tosspot wrote:
On 26/11/2020 20:35, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op donderdag 26 november 2020 om 20:00:39 UTC+1 schreef
:
So today in the flatlands it was 43 degrees out and not much wind.
Cloudy for sure and have not seen the sun in seems like a week.
Frankly though with no wind it was a great Tbird day to ride. No
traffic and did not even see another cyclist and I even went on a
cycling trail that follows Route 66 for about 7 miles. Could be I
start at 6:20 am.

In any case peeled off 60 miles in 3:31 minutes no stops. Not sure
the power but according to the body it is a bird and beer. The bird
is in the oven, Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale on tap. Some mash
potatoes and carrots with maybe some ice cream. My goal is to
sometime cycle around the Sierra Nevada Brewery area and go in for
some on tap. Has anyone in the group cycled by the brewery?

On the technical side the new headset is staying perfect no
adjustment needed Andrew was spot on. The new Conti GP 5000's a
great, these are the 23mm the other bike as 25's. Not a lot of
different but will now officially go to 25mm in future.

On the political front it appears all bets are off and things are
not going well. I see the SCOTUS block the attempt to close
churches in New York, great job by Amy Coney Barrett. If you can
buy beer and get you bike fixed you should be able to bow to the
Lord.

Happy Thanksgiving Deacon Mark

Here were only allowed to ride with no more than 4 people in the
outside. When entering a public place one has to wear a mask. In the
churches however there are no limitations, only recommendations, but
there are churches allowing 600 people in, without masks and singing
along. When asked the people say God will protect them. ??? I don't
understand.
Relax, it kills god botherers and their families. What's not to like?

Real little ray of sunshine you are, sport. -- AJ

On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 12:10:16 PM UTC-8, Tosspot wrote:
On 26/11/2020 20:35, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op donderdag 26 november 2020 om 20:00:39 UTC+1 schreef
:
So today in the flatlands it was 43 degrees out and not much wind.
Cloudy for sure and have not seen the sun in seems like a week.
Frankly though with no wind it was a great Tbird day to ride. No
traffic and did not even see another cyclist and I even went on a
cycling trail that follows Route 66 for about 7 miles. Could be I
start at 6:20 am.

In any case peeled off 60 miles in 3:31 minutes no stops. Not sure
the power but according to the body it is a bird and beer. The bird
is in the oven, Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale on tap. Some mash
potatoes and carrots with maybe some ice cream. My goal is to
sometime cycle around the Sierra Nevada Brewery area and go in for
some on tap. Has anyone in the group cycled by the brewery?

On the technical side the new headset is staying perfect no
adjustment needed Andrew was spot on. The new Conti GP 5000's a
great, these are the 23mm the other bike as 25's. Not a lot of
different but will now officially go to 25mm in future.

On the political front it appears all bets are off and things are
not going well. I see the SCOTUS block the attempt to close
churches in New York, great job by Amy Coney Barrett. If you can
buy beer and get you bike fixed you should be able to bow to the
Lord.

Happy Thanksgiving Deacon Mark

Here were only allowed to ride with no more than 4 people in the
outside. When entering a public place one has to wear a mask. In the
churches however there are no limitations, only recommendations, but
there are churches allowing 600 people in, without masks and singing
along. When asked the people say God will protect them. ??? I don't
understand.
Relax, it kills god botherers and their families. What's not to like?


https://apnews.com/article/b2d7a8af0...1d1c3d0cf0afd0 Thank you Je-sus-uh. Keep in mind that this super-spreader church is in a county where the cows outnumber the people.

-- Jay Beattie.

On 11/26/2020 7:13 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 12:10:16 PM UTC-8, Tosspot wrote:
On 26/11/2020 20:35, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op donderdag 26 november 2020 om 20:00:39 UTC+1 schreef
:
So today in the flatlands it was 43 degrees out and not much wind.
Cloudy for sure and have not seen the sun in seems like a week.
Frankly though with no wind it was a great Tbird day to ride. No
traffic and did not even see another cyclist and I even went on a
cycling trail that follows Route 66 for about 7 miles. Could be I
start at 6:20 am.

In any case peeled off 60 miles in 3:31 minutes no stops. Not sure
the power but according to the body it is a bird and beer. The bird
is in the oven, Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale on tap. Some mash
potatoes and carrots with maybe some ice cream. My goal is to
sometime cycle around the Sierra Nevada Brewery area and go in for
some on tap. Has anyone in the group cycled by the brewery?

On the technical side the new headset is staying perfect no
adjustment needed Andrew was spot on. The new Conti GP 5000's a
great, these are the 23mm the other bike as 25's. Not a lot of
different but will now officially go to 25mm in future.

On the political front it appears all bets are off and things are
not going well. I see the SCOTUS block the attempt to close
churches in New York, great job by Amy Coney Barrett. If you can
buy beer and get you bike fixed you should be able to bow to the
Lord.

Happy Thanksgiving Deacon Mark

Here were only allowed to ride with no more than 4 people in the
outside. When entering a public place one has to wear a mask. In the
churches however there are no limitations, only recommendations, but
there are churches allowing 600 people in, without masks and singing
along. When asked the people say God will protect them. ??? I don't
understand.
Relax, it kills god botherers and their families. What's not to like?


https://apnews.com/article/b2d7a8af0...1d1c3d0cf0afd0 Thank you Je-sus-uh. Keep in mind that this super-spreader church is in a county where the cows outnumber the people.

June 16, 2020? I'm sure that since then their case count has been
exceeded by many bars. Not to mention the Sturgis rally, Florida
beaches, college campus or off-campus parties, etc.

Ohio is seeing ~10,000 new cases per day. Churches aren't driving this.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thu, 26 Nov 2020 20:18:32 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/26/2020 7:13 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 12:10:16 PM UTC-8, Tosspot wrote:
On 26/11/2020 20:35, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op donderdag 26 november 2020 om 20:00:39 UTC+1 schreef
:
So today in the flatlands it was 43 degrees out and not much wind.
Cloudy for sure and have not seen the sun in seems like a week.
Frankly though with no wind it was a great Tbird day to ride. No
traffic and did not even see another cyclist and I even went on a
cycling trail that follows Route 66 for about 7 miles. Could be I
start at 6:20 am.

In any case peeled off 60 miles in 3:31 minutes no stops. Not sure
the power but according to the body it is a bird and beer. The bird
is in the oven, Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale on tap. Some mash
potatoes and carrots with maybe some ice cream. My goal is to
sometime cycle around the Sierra Nevada Brewery area and go in for
some on tap. Has anyone in the group cycled by the brewery?

On the technical side the new headset is staying perfect no
adjustment needed Andrew was spot on. The new Conti GP 5000's a
great, these are the 23mm the other bike as 25's. Not a lot of
different but will now officially go to 25mm in future.

On the political front it appears all bets are off and things are
not going well. I see the SCOTUS block the attempt to close
churches in New York, great job by Amy Coney Barrett. If you can
buy beer and get you bike fixed you should be able to bow to the
Lord.

Happy Thanksgiving Deacon Mark

Here were only allowed to ride with no more than 4 people in the
outside. When entering a public place one has to wear a mask. In the
churches however there are no limitations, only recommendations, but
there are churches allowing 600 people in, without masks and singing
along. When asked the people say God will protect them. ??? I don't
understand.
Relax, it kills god botherers and their families. What's not to like?


https://apnews.com/article/b2d7a8af0...1d1c3d0cf0afd0 Thank you Je-sus-uh. Keep in mind that this super-spreader church is in a county where the cows outnumber the people.

June 16, 2020? I'm sure that since then their case count has been
exceeded by many bars. Not to mention the Sturgis rally, Florida
beaches, college campus or off-campus parties, etc.

Ohio is seeing ~10,000 new cases per day. Churches aren't driving this.

Logically no. Nor are beer joints, strip shows, boxing matches, or
even the local Shop n Save. But they all contribute to your 10,000
daily cases (12,000 in Illinois :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 11/26/2020 5:18 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/26/2020 7:13 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 12:10:16 PM UTC-8, Tosspot wrote:
On 26/11/2020 20:35, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op donderdag 26 november 2020 om 20:00:39 UTC+1 schreef
:
So today in the flatlands it was 43 degrees out and not much wind.
Cloudy for sure and have not seen the sun in seems like a week.
Frankly though with no wind it was a great Tbird day to ride. No
traffic and did not even see another cyclist and I even went on a
cycling trail that follows Route 66 for about 7 miles. Could be I
start at 6:20 am.

In any case peeled off 60 miles in 3:31 minutes no stops. Not sure
the power but according to the body it is a bird and beer. The bird
is in the oven, Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale on tap. Some mash
potatoes and carrots with maybe some ice cream. My goal is to
sometime cycle around the Sierra Nevada Brewery area and go in for
some on tap. Has anyone in the group cycled by the brewery?

On the technical side the new headset is staying perfect no
adjustment needed Andrew was spot on. The new Conti GP 5000's a
great, these are the 23mm the other bike as 25's. Not a lot of
different but will now officially go to 25mm in future.

On the political front it appears all bets are off and things are
not going well. I see the SCOTUS block the attempt to close
churches in New York, great job by Amy Coney Barrett. If you can
buy beer and get you bike fixed you should be able to bow to the
Lord.

Happy Thanksgiving Deacon Mark

Here were only allowed to ride with no more than 4 people in the
outside. When entering a public place one has to wear a mask. In the
churches however there are no limitations, only recommendations, but
there are churches allowing 600 people in, without masks and singing
along. When asked the people say God will protect them. ??? I don't
understand.
Relax, it kills god botherers and their families. What's not to like?


https://apnews.com/article/b2d7a8af0...1c3d0cf0afd0Â* Thank you
Je-sus-uh.Â* Keep in mind that this super-spreader church is in a
county where the cows outnumber the people.

June 16, 2020? I'm sure that since then their case count has been
exceeded by many bars. Not to mention the Sturgis rally, Florida
beaches, college campus or off-campus parties, etc.

Ohio is seeing ~10,000 new cases per day. Churches aren't driving this.

Indoor group singing (especially unmasked) is especially implicated in
super-spreader events, including one of the first, if not THE first in
the US:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6919e6.htm

Unfortunately, you can find very little data on spread in churches that
distance and wear masks (and sing little or none at all).

Mark J.

On 11/26/2020 3:54 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/26/2020 2:44 PM, jbeattie wrote:

Science should apply equally to all businesses, and the
church business should not be singled-out for either more
or less favorable treatment.

I guess we could discuss the meaning of "should" and the
meaning of "business." But as with guns, there's a relevant
constitutional amendment, plus all the court decisions
since. It's all rather complicated.


A few people would recognize phrasing from the 1st Amendment
as regards practice of religion, but few notice abridgement
of the 5th by arbitrarily punishing businesses.

Sadly most USAians have no clue about either or any.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 11/26/2020 7:18 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/26/2020 7:13 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 12:10:16 PM UTC-8,
Tosspot wrote:
On 26/11/2020 20:35, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op donderdag 26 november 2020 om 20:00:39 UTC+1 schreef
:
So today in the flatlands it was 43 degrees out and not
much wind.
Cloudy for sure and have not seen the sun in seems like
a week.
Frankly though with no wind it was a great Tbird day to
ride. No
traffic and did not even see another cyclist and I even
went on a
cycling trail that follows Route 66 for about 7 miles.
Could be I
start at 6:20 am.

In any case peeled off 60 miles in 3:31 minutes no
stops. Not sure
the power but according to the body it is a bird and
beer. The bird
is in the oven, Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale on tap.
Some mash
potatoes and carrots with maybe some ice cream. My goal
is to
sometime cycle around the Sierra Nevada Brewery area
and go in for
some on tap. Has anyone in the group cycled by the
brewery?

On the technical side the new headset is staying
perfect no
adjustment needed Andrew was spot on. The new Conti GP
5000's a
great, these are the 23mm the other bike as 25's. Not a
lot of
different but will now officially go to 25mm in future.

On the political front it appears all bets are off and
things are
not going well. I see the SCOTUS block the attempt to
close
churches in New York, great job by Amy Coney Barrett.
If you can
buy beer and get you bike fixed you should be able to
bow to the
Lord.

Happy Thanksgiving Deacon Mark

Here were only allowed to ride with no more than 4
people in the
outside. When entering a public place one has to wear a
mask. In the
churches however there are no limitations, only
recommendations, but
there are churches allowing 600 people in, without masks
and singing
along. When asked the people say God will protect them.
??? I don't
understand.
Relax, it kills god botherers and their families. What's
not to like?


https://apnews.com/article/b2d7a8af0...1d1c3d0cf0afd0
Thank you Je-sus-uh. Keep in mind that this
super-spreader church is in a county where the cows
outnumber the people.

June 16, 2020? I'm sure that since then their case count has
been exceeded by many bars. Not to mention the Sturgis
rally, Florida beaches, college campus or off-campus
parties, etc.

Ohio is seeing ~10,000 new cases per day. Churches aren't
driving this.


No they are not seeing 10K per day.
That number is 'tests' not 'cases' and tests are run on a
self-selected subset. More, anyone in several industries
(food processing, the medical billing industry,
transportation) who tests positive has to show repeated
negatives in order to return to work. Those people test
every day if not more often which skews the numbers.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 11/27/2020 10:01 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/26/2020 7:18 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/26/2020 7:13 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 12:10:16 PM UTC-8,
Tosspot wrote:
On 26/11/2020 20:35, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op donderdag 26 november 2020 om 20:00:39 UTC+1 schreef
:
So today in the flatlands it was 43 degrees out and not
much wind.
Cloudy for sure and have not seen the sun in seems like
a week.
Frankly though with no wind it was a great Tbird day to
ride. No
traffic and did not even see another cyclist and I even
went on a
cycling trail that follows Route 66 for about 7 miles.
Could be I
start at 6:20 am.

In any case peeled off 60 miles in 3:31 minutes no
stops. Not sure
the power but according to the body it is a bird and
beer. The bird
is in the oven, Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale on tap.
Some mash
potatoes and carrots with maybe some ice cream. My goal
is to
sometime cycle around the Sierra Nevada Brewery area
and go in for
some on tap. Has anyone in the group cycled by the
brewery?

On the technical side the new headset is staying
perfect no
adjustment needed Andrew was spot on. The new Conti GP
5000's a
great, these are the 23mm the other bike as 25's. Not a
lot of
different but will now officially go to 25mm in future.

On the political front it appears all bets are off and
things are
not going well. I see the SCOTUS block the attempt to
close
churches in New York, great job by Amy Coney Barrett.
If you can
buy beer and get you bike fixed you should be able to
bow to the
Lord.

Happy Thanksgiving Deacon Mark

Here were only allowed to ride with no more than 4
people in the
outside. When entering a public place one has to wear a
mask. In the
churches however there are no limitations, only
recommendations, but
there are churches allowing 600 people in, without masks
and singing
along. When asked the people say God will protect them.
??? I don't
understand.
Relax, it kills god botherers and their families. What's
not to like?


https://apnews.com/article/b2d7a8af0...1d1c3d0cf0afd0
Thank you Je-sus-uh.Â* Keep in mind that this
super-spreader church is in a county where the cows
outnumber the people.

June 16, 2020? I'm sure that since then their case count has
been exceeded by many bars. Not to mention the Sturgis
rally, Florida beaches, college campus or off-campus
parties, etc.

Ohio is seeing ~10,000 new cases per day. Churches aren't
driving this.


No they are not seeing 10K per day.
That number is 'tests' not 'cases' and tests are run on a self-selected
subset.Â* More, anyone in several industries (food processing, the
medical billing industry, transportation) who tests positive has to show
repeated negatives in order to return to work. Those people test every
day if not more often which skews the numbers.

I did indicate it was an approximation. Do you have better numbers?

We have a member of our extended family who felt very ill with several
symptoms matching COVID, so got a COVID test recently. The results
weren't available for over a week. Apparently some reagents are in short
supply because of very high demand. That test eventually came back negative.

But that highlighted the lag in the data due to testing backup. And of
course, there's the other _big_ lag inherent in the disease: that people
can be unknowingly positive while asymptomatic. In times of increasing
infections, that almost certainly means the reported counts are too low.

Ohio was reporting about 7000 to 8000 cases per day (up from far, far
smaller numbers) for a while before that testing backlog kicked in.
https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/por...-19/dashboards
I think "approximately 10,000" is reasonable. I'm curious about your guess.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 11:44:11 AM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-8, wrote:
So today in the flatlands it was 43 degrees out and not much wind. Cloudy for sure and have not seen the sun in seems like a week. Frankly though with no wind it was a great Tbird day to ride. No traffic and did not even see another cyclist and I even went on a cycling trail that follows Route 66 for about 7 miles. Could be I start at 6:20 am.

In any case peeled off 60 miles in 3:31 minutes no stops. Not sure the power but according to the body it is a bird and beer. The bird is in the oven, Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale on tap. Some mash potatoes and carrots with maybe some ice cream. My goal is to sometime cycle around the Sierra Nevada Brewery area and go in for some on tap. Has anyone in the group cycled by the brewery?

On the technical side the new headset is staying perfect no adjustment needed Andrew was spot on. The new Conti GP 5000's a great, these are the 23mm the other bike as 25's. Not a lot of different but will now officially go to 25mm in future.

On the political front it appears all bets are off and things are not going well. I see the SCOTUS block the attempt to close churches in New York, great job by Amy Coney Barrett. If you can buy beer and get you bike fixed you should be able to bow to the Lord.
A political statement by the conservative wing with no effect since the NY order was no longer in effect, which was Roberts' point. Barrett didn't write a concurrence, content with the result but perhaps concerned that the court was reaching out to make a statement.

Science should apply equally to all businesses, and the church business should not be singled-out for either more or less favorable treatment.

I suggest you stop making really stupid statements about how the state should have more power than the Constitution.

On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 12:01:43 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/26/2020 1:44 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-8, wrote:
So today in the flatlands it was 43 degrees out and not much wind. Cloudy for sure and have not seen the sun in seems like a week. Frankly though with no wind it was a great Tbird day to ride. No traffic and did not even see another cyclist and I even went on a cycling trail that follows Route 66 for about 7 miles. Could be I start at 6:20 am.

In any case peeled off 60 miles in 3:31 minutes no stops. Not sure the power but according to the body it is a bird and beer. The bird is in the oven, Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale on tap. Some mash potatoes and carrots with maybe some ice cream. My goal is to sometime cycle around the Sierra Nevada Brewery area and go in for some on tap. Has anyone in the group cycled by the brewery?

On the technical side the new headset is staying perfect no adjustment needed Andrew was spot on. The new Conti GP 5000's a great, these are the 23mm the other bike as 25's. Not a lot of different but will now officially go to 25mm in future.

On the political front it appears all bets are off and things are not going well. I see the SCOTUS block the attempt to close churches in New York, great job by Amy Coney Barrett. If you can buy beer and get you bike fixed you should be able to bow to the Lord.


A political statement by the conservative wing with no effect since the NY order was no longer in effect, which was Roberts' point. Barrett didn't write a concurrence, content with the result but perhaps concerned that the court was reaching out to make a statement.

Science should apply equally to all businesses, and the church business should not be singled-out for either more or less favorable treatment.

-- Jay Beattie.

+1

While I agree that churches and other places of worship should not be singled out, the states have more than trampled on our Constitutional rights. It is NONE of the business of the government if I want to take chances with my life or not. Next thing they will be telling us we cannot ride bicycles because they are too dangerous in the eyes of truck drivers.