All's not fair in love and science

In another thread, AMuzi wrote:

Luigi Galvani is best known for twitching dead frogs' leg
muscles with a copper-zinc battery apparatus. The transfer
of his name to the (original) zinc electroplate process and
then to zinc hot dip (cheaper) are honorific for his
contributions to electricity generally , not a brand or
tradename extension like Ford or Edison.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Actuellement, I've always thought it unfair that Alessandro Volta, who only reacted to Luigi Galvani being wrong, got his name immortalized on a key modern measurement system used by everyone, while Galvani, who has some claim to having invented or at least perfected the paradigm battery, which is still in everyone's car, merely got his name stuck as a generic on the galvanic process in a word used only by specialists.

Andre Jute
All's not fair in love and science

On Wed, 3 May 2017 16:03:56 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:

In another thread, AMuzi wrote:

Luigi Galvani is best known for twitching dead frogs' leg
muscles with a copper-zinc battery apparatus. The transfer
of his name to the (original) zinc electroplate process and
then to zinc hot dip (cheaper) are honorific for his
contributions to electricity generally , not a brand or
tradename extension like Ford or Edison.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Actuellement, I've always thought it unfair that Alessandro
Volta, who only reacted to Luigi Galvani being wrong, got
his name immortalized on a key modern measurement system
used by everyone, while Galvani, who has some claim to
having invented or at least perfected the paradigm battery,
which is still in everyone's car, merely got his name stuck
as a generic on the galvanic process in a word used only
by specialists.

Have you forgotten the galvanometer?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanometer
Essentially, it's a electro-mechanical frog leg.

He also had a crater on the moon named in his honor:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvani_(crater)
However, so did Volta:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volta_(crater)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Galvani
Volta's intuition was correct. Volta, essentially,
objected to Galvani’s conclusions about "animal electric fluid",
but the two scientists disagreed respectfully and Volta coined
the term "Galvanism" for a direct current of electricity produced
by chemical action.[4] Thus, owing to an argument between the
two in regard to the source or cause of the electricity, Volta
built the first battery in order to specifically disprove his
associate's theory. Volta's "pile" became known therefore
as a voltaic pile.

After losing both his arguement with Volta, and the death of his wife,
Galvani was not terribly inspired to defend his position and demand
appropriate recognition:
After the controversy with Volta, Galvani kept a low profile
partly because of his attitude towards the controversy, and
partly because his health and spirits had declined, especially
after the death of his wife, Lucia, in 1790.

Andre Jute
All's not fair in love and science

From each is according to one's abilities. To each is quite arbitrary
and related to little more than good timing and political influence.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 5:44:49 PM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 3 May 2017 16:03:56 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:

In another thread, AMuzi wrote:

Luigi Galvani is best known for twitching dead frogs' leg
muscles with a copper-zinc battery apparatus. The transfer
of his name to the (original) zinc electroplate process and
then to zinc hot dip (cheaper) are honorific for his
contributions to electricity generally , not a brand or
tradename extension like Ford or Edison.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Actuellement, I've always thought it unfair that Alessandro
Volta, who only reacted to Luigi Galvani being wrong, got
his name immortalized on a key modern measurement system
used by everyone, while Galvani, who has some claim to
having invented or at least perfected the paradigm battery,
which is still in everyone's car, merely got his name stuck
as a generic on the galvanic process in a word used only
by specialists.

Have you forgotten the galvanometer?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanometer
Essentially, it's a electro-mechanical frog leg.

He also had a crater on the moon named in his honor:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvani_(crater)
However, so did Volta:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volta_(crater)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Galvani
Volta's intuition was correct. Volta, essentially,
objected to Galvani’s conclusions about "animal electric fluid",
but the two scientists disagreed respectfully and Volta coined
the term "Galvanism" for a direct current of electricity produced
by chemical action.[4] Thus, owing to an argument between the
two in regard to the source or cause of the electricity, Volta
built the first battery in order to specifically disprove his
associate's theory. Volta's "pile" became known therefore
as a voltaic pile.

After losing both his arguement with Volta, and the death of his wife,
Galvani was not terribly inspired to defend his position and demand
appropriate recognition:
After the controversy with Volta, Galvani kept a low profile
partly because of his attitude towards the controversy, and
partly because his health and spirits had declined, especially
after the death of his wife, Lucia, in 1790.

Andre Jute
All's not fair in love and science

From each is according to one's abilities. To each is quite arbitrary
and related to little more than good timing and political influence.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

I most especially am NOT for naming anything after people save only in the most extraordinary of events such as George Washington having the nation's capital named after him. I don't want to drive down the Highway Patrol Officer Steven Smith Highway because he was killed in the line of duty.

Naming roads or such things are fine (Doolittle Drive named after the raiders that bombed Tokyo on a one way mission).

But naming things after public officials has gotten entirely out of hand.

Come on now - naming a crater on the moon after someone? Naming a bacteria after it's discoverer is bad enough.

On 5/4/2017 10:13 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 5:44:49 PM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 3 May 2017 16:03:56 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:

In another thread, AMuzi wrote:

Luigi Galvani is best known for twitching dead frogs' leg
muscles with a copper-zinc battery apparatus. The transfer
of his name to the (original) zinc electroplate process and
then to zinc hot dip (cheaper) are honorific for his
contributions to electricity generally , not a brand or
tradename extension like Ford or Edison.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Actuellement, I've always thought it unfair that Alessandro
Volta, who only reacted to Luigi Galvani being wrong, got
his name immortalized on a key modern measurement system
used by everyone, while Galvani, who has some claim to
having invented or at least perfected the paradigm battery,
which is still in everyone's car, merely got his name stuck
as a generic on the galvanic process in a word used only
by specialists.

Have you forgotten the galvanometer?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanometer
Essentially, it's a electro-mechanical frog leg.

He also had a crater on the moon named in his honor:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvani_(crater)
However, so did Volta:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volta_(crater)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Galvani
Volta's intuition was correct. Volta, essentially,
objected to Galvani’s conclusions about "animal electric fluid",
but the two scientists disagreed respectfully and Volta coined
the term "Galvanism" for a direct current of electricity produced
by chemical action.[4] Thus, owing to an argument between the
two in regard to the source or cause of the electricity, Volta
built the first battery in order to specifically disprove his
associate's theory. Volta's "pile" became known therefore
as a voltaic pile.

After losing both his arguement with Volta, and the death of his wife,
Galvani was not terribly inspired to defend his position and demand
appropriate recognition:
After the controversy with Volta, Galvani kept a low profile
partly because of his attitude towards the controversy, and
partly because his health and spirits had declined, especially
after the death of his wife, Lucia, in 1790.

Andre Jute
All's not fair in love and science

From each is according to one's abilities. To each is quite arbitrary
and related to little more than good timing and political influence.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

I most especially am NOT for naming anything after people save only in the most extraordinary of events such as George Washington having the nation's capital named after him. I don't want to drive down the Highway Patrol Officer Steven Smith Highway because he was killed in the line of duty.

Naming roads or such things are fine (Doolittle Drive named after the raiders that bombed Tokyo on a one way mission).

But naming things after public officials has gotten entirely out of hand.

Come on now - naming a crater on the moon after someone? Naming a bacteria after it's discoverer is bad enough.


Agreed.
I sincerely wish you a pleasant and long life such that
there's no reason to have a "Tom Kunich's Law".

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thu, 4 May 2017 08:13:10 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I most especially am NOT for naming anything after people save only in the most extraordinary of events such as George Washington having the nation's capital named after him. I don't want to drive down the Highway Patrol Officer Steven Smith Highway because he was killed in the line of duty.

Naming roads or such things are fine (Doolittle Drive named after the raiders that bombed Tokyo on a one way mission).

But naming things after public officials has gotten entirely out of hand.

Come on now - naming a crater on the moon after someone? Naming a bacteria after it's discoverer is bad enough.

You're just jealous because nobody bothered to name a moon crater
after you.

"List of people with craters of the Moon named after them"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_craters_of_the_Moon_named_afte r_them

You can also have a star named after you:
"Stars named after people"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stars_named_after_people

Or even a minor planet:
"List of minor planets named after people"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minor_planets_named_after_people

Given the choice between a name and a number, I rather prefer the
name.

Incidentally, I once started and later aborted a movement to name a
local park after the moronic drunk who fell off the dam, and then sued
the county for damages. The result was the closing of the park as
being too dangerous. The county took me seriously for about a year
until someone researched the name.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 8:50:39 AM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 4 May 2017 08:13:10 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I most especially am NOT for naming anything after people save only in the most extraordinary of events such as George Washington having the nation's capital named after him. I don't want to drive down the Highway Patrol Officer Steven Smith Highway because he was killed in the line of duty.

Naming roads or such things are fine (Doolittle Drive named after the raiders that bombed Tokyo on a one way mission).

But naming things after public officials has gotten entirely out of hand..

Come on now - naming a crater on the moon after someone? Naming a bacteria after it's discoverer is bad enough.

You're just jealous because nobody bothered to name a moon crater
after you.

"List of people with craters of the Moon named after them"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_craters_of_the_Moon_named_afte r_them

You can also have a star named after you:
"Stars named after people"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stars_named_after_people

Or even a minor planet:
"List of minor planets named after people"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minor_planets_named_after_people

Given the choice between a name and a number, I rather prefer the
name.

Incidentally, I once started and later aborted a movement to name a
local park after the moronic drunk who fell off the dam, and then sued
the county for damages. The result was the closing of the park as
being too dangerous. The county took me seriously for about a year
until someone researched the name.

Naming stars does not have to be after people. I agree that major stars should have names and not numbers but who do you suppose was Ursa Major or did you think there was a comment between those two names?

On 5/4/2017 1:55 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 8:50:39 AM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 4 May 2017 08:13:10 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I most especially am NOT for naming anything after people save only in the most extraordinary of events such as George Washington having the nation's capital named after him. I don't want to drive down the Highway Patrol Officer Steven Smith Highway because he was killed in the line of duty.

Naming roads or such things are fine (Doolittle Drive named after the raiders that bombed Tokyo on a one way mission).

But naming things after public officials has gotten entirely out of hand.

Come on now - naming a crater on the moon after someone? Naming a bacteria after it's discoverer is bad enough.

You're just jealous because nobody bothered to name a moon crater
after you.

"List of people with craters of the Moon named after them"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_craters_of_the_Moon_named_afte r_them

You can also have a star named after you:
"Stars named after people"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stars_named_after_people

Or even a minor planet:
"List of minor planets named after people"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minor_planets_named_after_people

Given the choice between a name and a number, I rather prefer the
name.

Incidentally, I once started and later aborted a movement to name a
local park after the moronic drunk who fell off the dam, and then sued
the county for damages. The result was the closing of the park as
being too dangerous. The county took me seriously for about a year
until someone researched the name.

Naming stars does not have to be after people. I agree that major stars should have names and not numbers but who do you suppose was Ursa Major or did you think there was a comment between those two names?


Ursa Major commemorates Bob Hite of course.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thu, 4 May 2017 11:55:14 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Naming stars does not have to be after people. I agree that
major stars should have names and not numbers but who do
you suppose was Ursa Major or did you think there was a
comment between those two names?

Ursa Major means something like "the greatest female bear" in Latin.

It all started with place names, where geological and topographical
features were named after the individual who discovered or exploited
them. When astronomy became popularized and organized, the practice
was extended from the ground to the sky.

As it happens, there are more stars than there are discoverers and
exploiters. Therefore, some stars are stuck with unimaginative and
boring numbers. If there were more worthy individuals available, I'm
sure we would have more names and fewer numbers. You could try to
overturn a few thousand years of naming convention tradition, but I
don't think you'll succeed.

Incidentally, one of my friends was the road commissar for the City of
Santa Cruz for many years. As he was reaching retirement age, he
decided to name a road after himself. Nobody protested, so he
subsequently named 3 more roads after his grandchildren. Oddly,
nobody seemed to have noticed until after the story was leaked to the
press. By then, he had retired and relocated, so the names stayed.


--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 1:44:49 AM UTC+1, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 3 May 2017 16:03:56 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:

In another thread, AMuzi wrote:

Luigi Galvani is best known for twitching dead frogs' leg
muscles with a copper-zinc battery apparatus. The transfer
of his name to the (original) zinc electroplate process and
then to zinc hot dip (cheaper) are honorific for his
contributions to electricity generally , not a brand or
tradename extension like Ford or Edison.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Actuellement, I've always thought it unfair that Alessandro
Volta, who only reacted to Luigi Galvani being wrong, got
his name immortalized on a key modern measurement system
used by everyone, while Galvani, who has some claim to
having invented or at least perfected the paradigm battery,
which is still in everyone's car, merely got his name stuck
as a generic on the galvanic process in a word used only
by specialists.

Have you forgotten the galvanometer?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanometer
Essentially, it's a electro-mechanical frog leg.

That's the point I'm making. Everyone with an interest in electrics and electronics has a voltmeter but who has a galvanometer (well, except you)?

He also had a crater on the moon named in his honor:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvani_(crater)
However, so did Volta:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volta_(crater)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Galvani
Volta's intuition was correct. Volta, essentially,
objected to Galvani’s conclusions about "animal electric fluid",
but the two scientists disagreed respectfully and Volta coined
the term "Galvanism" for a direct current of electricity produced
by chemical action.[4] Thus, owing to an argument between the
two in regard to the source or cause of the electricity, Volta
built the first battery in order to specifically disprove his
associate's theory. Volta's "pile" became known therefore
as a voltaic pile.

After losing both his arguement with Volta, and the death of his wife,
Galvani was not terribly inspired to defend his position and demand
appropriate recognition:
After the controversy with Volta, Galvani kept a low profile
partly because of his attitude towards the controversy, and
partly because his health and spirits had declined, especially
after the death of his wife, Lucia, in 1790.

Andre Jute
All's not fair in love and science

From each is according to one's abilities. To each is quite arbitrary
and related to little more than good timing and political influence.

Especially in places where political influence is muscle. Lysenko is an obvious"scientific" example, the muscle being Stalin.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Andre Jute
Curiosity and enthusiasm will carry a young man beyond even the best education money can buy --

On Thu, 4 May 2017 14:32:22 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:

On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 1:44:49 AM UTC+1, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Have you forgotten the galvanometer?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanometer
Essentially, it's a electro-mechanical frog leg.

That's the point I'm making. Everyone with an interest in
electrics and electronics has a voltmeter but who has a
galvanometer (well, except you)?

I think you'll find that galvanometers are more common that you might
suspect. I'm helping a friend build a laser marker scanning head that
uses a Yag laser and a moving mirror that is essentially a
galvanometer.
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=laser+galvanometer
I don't believe that I actually own anything that might be considered
a galvanometer.

From each is according to one's abilities. To each is quite arbitrary
and related to little more than good timing and political influence.

Especially in places where political influence is muscle. Lysenko
is an obvious"scientific" example, the muscle being Stalin.

Politics is little more than the exercise of coercion, varying from
subtle to brutal. Peaceful political process is an oxymoron.

Andre Jute
Curiosity and enthusiasm will carry a young man beyond even
the best education money can buy --

I beg to differ. Curiosity and enthusiasm are not suitable
replacements for ability and perseverance. However, once one is will
and able to learn, and to keep at it without giving up, then curiosity
and enthusiasm are quite valuable and important. Money also helps in
today's diploma factories. For our local state college per year:
http://financialaid.ucsc.edu/costs/undergraduate-costs.html
Curiosity and enthusiasm are not going to help much with tuition
expenses. However, if you're suggestion that curiosity and enthusiasm
are suitable replacements for a college education, I would agree, but
only if your mythical young man has ability, perseverance, some
business sense, a good mentor, and possibly some rich backers.

Incidentally, this is somewhat contradictory with "The secret to
engineering is to know when to give up and stop engineering". This
might explain why most engineers make terrible CEO's.



--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558