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Matthew Russotto wrote in message ... In article , Tanya Quinn wrote: It is not square footage that matters since a lot is never filled by building anyway, but the size of the lots determine how many houses you can put in any given area. If a house has 60' frontage (typical suburban lot) and 20' of the frontage is taken up by an attached double car garage then 1/3 of the space is effectively dedicated to cars. The "logic" just gets more and more bizarre. I suppose a garage with a side entrance thus takes up no space at all? -- People who hate cars come up with almost anything to prove their points. ACCESS showed years ago that a well-planned city devotes more space to roads than suburban areas, for example. |
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Keith F. Lynch wrote in message ... Marc wrote: I'm not talking about forcing anyone to do anything. You appear to be the only one with that in mind. The suggestion has been made, in this thread, that transit should be shut down if it requires government subsidies. I would agree, but only if we shut down *every* transportation mode that requires government subsidies, so we get a level playing field. You simply have to know how much subsidy there is per mile. Cars and airplanes get .02-.04 cents-per-mile. Amtrak gets 22 cents per mile. |
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wrote in message thlink.net... They often get turned into spare rooms too. Hell, in California a detached garage could be converted into house and sold for $500K. There is more craziness in California than just politics |
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Jack May wrote:
"Keith F. Lynch" wrote: Motorists pay a much smaller proportion of the costs of driving than transit riders pay of the costs of transit. Maybe bus rides should cost $3.00 instead of $1.00, but gas taxes should be somwhere around $10.00 to $20.00 per gallon if they're intended to cover the full costs of driving. Most of those costs are paid out of general tax revenues. Since you are in total disagreement with figures published by the US Federal Government, where do you get your data? They're not "data" at all. They're propaganda. Claptrap belched forth by one or another of the sky-is-falling groups that counts everything from a six-year-old kid with the sniffles to the cost of a feather duster for your venetian blinds as a "cost of driving". DS |
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wrote Actually it was an underestimate. It should have been about 100. You are a funny, funny ....umm....hmm....not quite sure what you are. But you ARE funny. Pete |
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On 13 Aug 2003, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
gas taxes should be somwhere around $10.00 to $20.00 per gallon if they're intended to cover the full costs of driving. Pfft. Now how 'bout if we complicate things by replacing gasoline with gasohol (E85), the ethanol in which requires a substantial federal subsidy to be remotely cost-competitive and the manufacture of which consumes the energy contained in 1.5 litres of ethanol per litre of ethanol produced. What then? DS |
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"Daniel J. Stern" wrote in message ... They're not "data" at all. They're propaganda. Claptrap belched forth by one or another of the sky-is-falling groups that counts everything from a six-year-old kid with the sniffles to the cost of a feather duster for your venetian blinds as a "cost of driving". So you have no source for your data, only conspiracy theories. It seems that your entire belief system would collapse if it had to conform to reality. I will just remember you in future posts as a person with no credibility. |
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Jack May wrote:
They're not "data" at all. They're propaganda. Claptrap belched forth by one or another of the sky-is-falling groups that counts everything from a six-year-old kid with the sniffles to the cost of a feather duster for your venetian blinds as a "cost of driving". So you have no source for your data, only conspiracy theories. Whoops, Jack, you've made an error. I posted no data -- I merely commented on the veracity of what somebody else posted. It is not my job to do others' homework for them, but I do reserve the right to heckle when they fail to do it and try to bluff their way through instead. It seems that your entire belief system would collapse if it had to conform to reality. You know nothing of my "belief system". I will just remember you in future posts as a person with no credibility. *shrug* No skin off my back. Suit yourself. I will not apologise for failing to conform to your pet theories and little beliefs. DS |
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On 13 Aug 2003 21:42:14 -0400, "Keith F. Lynch"
wrote: Marc wrote: I'm not talking about forcing anyone to do anything. You appear to be the only one with that in mind. The suggestion has been made, in this thread, that transit should be shut down if it requires government subsidies. I would agree, but only if we shut down *every* transportation mode that requires government subsidies, so we get a level playing field. Are you implying that cars paying for 100% of their costs and 75% of the costs for mass transit is "fair share" because you see more value in mass transit? No, I'm stating that those numbers are completely bogus. Motorists pay a much smaller proportion of the costs of driving than transit riders pay of the costs of transit. Please provide evidence to support this claim. All of the evidence I have seen shows that motorists pay between 95%-103% of the cost. Maybe bus rides should cost $3.00 instead of $1.00, but gas taxes should be somwhere around $10.00 to $20.00 per gallon if they're intended to cover the full costs of driving. Most of those costs are paid out of general tax revenues. Please identify them. |
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------------------------------------------------------------------------- Free software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- wrote in message thlink.net... Keith F. Lynch wrote in message ... Marc wrote: I'm not talking about forcing anyone to do anything. You appear to be the only one with that in mind. The suggestion has been made, in this thread, that transit should be shut down if it requires government subsidies. I would agree, but only if we shut down *every* transportation mode that requires government subsidies, so we get a level playing field. You simply have to know how much subsidy there is per mile. Cars and airplanes get .02-.04 cents-per-mile. Amtrak gets 22 cents per mile. Since we're talking vastly different fuel usages, your comparison is bogus. How about you use subsidy per passenger-mile instead? |
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