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Mark writes:
I don't get it. If the awkward cyclingnews translations are correct, the /entire Astana team/ has withdrawn, and apparently without any resistance. Davey went to that Third Rate Rag, having been referred from RBR The Grammar, Spelling and Journalistic Style, not to mention the ridiculous Translations are Disgraceful Not to mention that much of their "News" is up to 48 Hours Old Luckily I only go there occasionally when following a Quoted URL/Reference -- Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply - The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently. --Friedrich Nietzsche |
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William Asher wrote: Mark wrote: I don't get it. If the awkward cyclingnews translations are correct, the /entire Astana team/ has withdrawn, and apparently without any resistance. Even with the draconian anti-doping rules adopted this year, was there ever a requirement that the /entire team/ of a (not-yet-B-sample-conifirmed!) doper should withdraw? Someone else on Astana would test positive too. They can't afford that. It takes two to tango. Think Perez/Hamilton. I bet all the Astana riders are going to get some extra out-of-competition testing soon... -- Mike Iglesias Email: University of California, Irvine phone: 949-824-6926 Network & Academic Computing Services FAX: 949-824-2069 |
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That was my initial reaction, but I read it again and think that it is a
bit of context. The way I read it now is that Millar is saying that everyone thought Vino was class-act, etc... Now that he's tested positive, it goes to show how stinky the whole thing is. ie you can't even trust the ones you want to trust. ie the poster boy has fallen, so there goes PR machine. Millar got it right, me thinks. wrote in news:1185297147.856389.117380 @k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com: And does anyone else wish that Millar would STFU. Vino's a great guy and a class act even after he gets busted because he's MIllar's buddy, but Rasmussen is a scumbag without a positive test. There's nothing worse than an ex-alky or smoker on their pedestal. Bill C |
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Davey Crockett wrote:
Mark writes: I don't get it. If the awkward cyclingnews translations are correct, the /entire Astana team/ has withdrawn, and apparently without any resistance. Davey went to that Third Rate Rag, having been referred from RBR The Grammar, Spelling and Journalistic Style, not to mention the ridiculous Translations are Disgraceful Not to mention that much of their "News" is up to 48 Hours Old Luckily I only go there occasionally when following a Quoted URL/Reference Velonews has more of David (I got caught but your a jackass) Millar here and they went with a foaming mouth shot of Vino, nice touch! http://velonews.com/tour2007/details...s/12910.0.html |
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
Dumbass - Goddamm. I hope that it was the blood bag mixup. Because if it wasn't, it means that professional bike racers are the stupidest creatures on the face of the planet. I doubt they're the stupidest creatures, but in the post-stage confusion, with multiple languages being spoken, everything being done semi- secretively and late at night when people are tired, it's likely that mistakes get made. I would guess that the biggest symbol on the bags is the blood type, so at least they don't kill anybody. They had to withdraw the entire team because they're not sure who got Vinokourov's blood. Perhaps it was Kloden. If so, they can't risk him winning a stage, or getting on the podium because then he would get tested and popped too. One guy on a team doping can be seen as a rogue, two suggests it is a team-wide practice. Hell, they might have mixed up multiple bags of O- so essentially the entire team is positive for homologous doping. I know I should think it's all evil, but I want to see these guys go up mountains like they are on Katanas. Blood doping seems relatively benign. Let 'em ride, I wanna see bike racing dammit. -- Bill Asher |
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Doug Smith writes:
Millar got it right, me thinks. wrote in news:1185297147.856389.117380 @k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com: And does anyone else wish that Millar would STFU. Vino's a great guy and a class act even after he gets busted because he's MIllar's buddy, but Rasmussen is a scumbag without a positive test. There's nothing worse than an ex-alky or smoker on their pedestal. Bill C Millar can STFU any time he likes The sanctimonious ******* is now Spewing Bull**** about Simpson, a rider he knows Doodley-Wap about, and Dissing him as This-That-The_Other Davey over the years has always tried to avoid Name-Dropping, but he feels that he must correct a few misapprehensions about Tom's demise Firstly the "Put me back on my Bike" bit are absolute Journalistic Bull**** .. According to the team mechanic, whose name I disremember without looking it up at the moment (but it was not Harry Hall), his last words were "Allez, Allez", spoken in French There has been so much self serving printers ink spilled on this topic by Journalistic Hacks that one hardly knows what to believe. But I grew up with Simpson and rode against him regularly in the early days both on the road in the then illegal BLRC events and on the Old Fallowfield Track. Sure he drank a Brandy or two to get the heart rate up - we all did, and we'd also smoke a cigarette which was supposed to acclimatize us to the petrol fumes we'd encounter from the vehicles on the course. And sure he popped a couple of Bennies, but then again, eveybody did way back when. A few years after Tom's death I was riding some local/regional event when in company of Rahael Geminiani, we were misdirected off course. By the time we realized we were off course we were 15 klicks down the wrong road. Anyway, when we got back to the roundabout where we had gone off course, the sag wagon was long gone so we went into the local bar for a couple of beers and having declined numerous offers to drive us to the finish, we left our numbers on and decided to ride the 30 klicks. "Screw 'em", said Gem, "Were not quitting. Let them time us out, 'cause it looks better in the papers!!" We rode at Tourist pace, and as bikies did in those days we were bull****ting about bikes, chicks and the fancy cars we'd buy if ever we had enough money. Anyway, the topic finally turned to Tommy who Gem knew even better than I at that time because they'd ridden together on the Rapha-Geminiani squad. Gem always figured Tom just rode his Heart Out. It was a scorching hot day and Tom needed a result because he had no sponsor for the next season and besides the 1967 Paris-Nice, he had had no results for the last two years. So there you have it. The heat exhaustion and his refusal to quit when his body was screaming at him to do so were the cause of Tom's Demise. Thanks for Reading this Rant Here's a Classic Piccy for your trouble http://azurservers.com/rbr/morte_de_simpson.jpg -- Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply |
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Sandy wrote:
http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breve...171249Dev.html So who's blood did he use? Was it from Borat or the official from Glorious Country who promised Vino a 10 year contract? |
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Eric Boyer (Manager Cofidis) - «Je suis totalement écoeuré. J'espère que
Vinokourov n'aura pas la lâcheté de nier, qu'il nous expliquera, qu'il nous dira qui l'a aidé, qui a participé à cette saloperie, parce qu'il a pas pu faire ça tout seul. Vinokourov, il nous disait qu'il ne travaillait avec le Dr Ferrari que pour des plans d'entraînement. Il nous disait qu'il était courageux, que les Français l'aimaient bien, qu'il était plus fort que la douleur, il nous disaient que nous Français on ne savait pas faire, qu'on était des fainéants, on se rend compte que c'est un gros salopard, qui à travers ces pratiques jette encore une fois le discrédit sur le cyclisme. C'est un coup dur de plus, j'espère qu'encore une fois on s'en relèvera. Je ne regrette pas ce que je dis depuis plusieurs jours, plusieurs mois. Je demande que toute l'équipe Astana quitte le cyclisme le plus tôt possible.» Sandy wrote: http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breve...171249Dev.html |
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William Asher wrote:
They had to withdraw the entire team because they're not sure who got Vinokourov's blood. They didn't pull the team on their own initiative, ASO askede them to do so. ASO has an interrest in covering it up and avoid destroying the carier of all the Astana riders and personell. - It's called damage control. Anyway, regardless of what happens now Astana is history, they won't race next year. The cash flow from Kazackstan will stop without an iconic kazack rider as Vinokurov. Astana will turn over their licence to UCI, and if they don't do it by themselves the UCI will make them. Lets face it, ASO don't really care about doping. What they do care about is the knowlagde of doping and the bad press it generates because it affects their revenue. It's a professional sport aka. buisness. -- Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) http://blog.reippuert.dk Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007. |
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