Question for Lou H.

In Victoria and I assume all of Australia, we have:

247 Riding in a bicycle lane on a road
(1) The rider of a bicycle riding on a length of road
with a bicycle lane designed for bicycles
travelling in the same direction as the rider must
ride in the bicycle lane unless it is impracticable to
do so.
Penalty: 3 penalty units.
Note
Rule 153 defines a bicycle lane and deals with the use of
bicycle lanes by other vehicles.

Is there anything similar for you?

I'm also wondering what the test case will be for "impracticable".

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JS

On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 11:53:59 PM UTC+1, James wrote:
In Victoria and I assume all of Australia, we have:



247 Riding in a bicycle lane on a road

(1) The rider of a bicycle riding on a length of road

with a bicycle lane designed for bicycles

travelling in the same direction as the rider must

ride in the bicycle lane unless it is impracticable to

do so.

Penalty: 3 penalty units.

Note

Rule 153 defines a bicycle lane and deals with the use of

bicycle lanes by other vehicles.



Is there anything similar for you?



I'm also wondering what the test case will be for "impracticable".



--

JS

Yes, something like that. Most bicycle lanes are mandatory but we are practical, the people and the law enforcement.

Lou

On 18/12/13 10:03, Lou Holtman wrote:
On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 11:53:59 PM UTC+1, James wrote:
In Victoria and I assume all of Australia, we have:



247 Riding in a bicycle lane on a road

(1) The rider of a bicycle riding on a length of road

with a bicycle lane designed for bicycles

travelling in the same direction as the rider must

ride in the bicycle lane unless it is impracticable to

do so.

Penalty: 3 penalty units.

Note

Rule 153 defines a bicycle lane and deals with the use of

bicycle lanes by other vehicles.



Is there anything similar for you?



I'm also wondering what the test case will be for "impracticable".

Yes, something like that. Most bicycle lanes are mandatory but we are practical, the people and the law enforcement.


Thanks, Lou. I think culturally we as a country, differ. I have little
faith in the law enforcers being practical, nor the people who only
drive cars.

It's one of the reasons I loath the spread of what is locally known as
"Copenhagen bike lanes", where the bike lane is next to the kerb, and
segregated from traffic by a line of parked cars and bollards, etc.

Gradually our right to ride on the road as vehicle operators is being
diminished.

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JS

On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:37:18 PM UTC-5, James wrote:
On 18/12/13 10:03, Lou Holtman wrote:

On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 11:53:59 PM UTC+1, James wrote:

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It's one of the reasons I loath the spread of what is locally known as

"Copenhagen bike lanes", where the bike lane is next to the kerb, and

segregated from traffic by a line of parked cars and bollards, etc.

Gradually our right to ride on the road as vehicle operators is being

diminished.
--

JS

Kerb side bicycle lanes can be interesting to even try and find on a snow covered road.

Cheers

Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:37:18 PM UTC-5, James wrote:
On 18/12/13 10:03, Lou Holtman wrote:

On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 11:53:59 PM UTC+1, James wrote:

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It's one of the reasons I loath the spread of what is locally known as

"Copenhagen bike lanes", where the bike lane is next to the kerb, and

segregated from traffic by a line of parked cars and bollards, etc.

Gradually our right to ride on the road as vehicle operators is being

diminished.
--

JS

Kerb side bicycle lanes can be interesting to even try and find on a snow covered road.

Cheers

Well like I said in Quebec you have to ride to the right so you would
likely be in the bike lane anyway. It's the cars sliding around that
wouldn't see it.

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duane

CUT BACK ON THE WALLABEE

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:08:46 AM UTC-5, Duane wrote:
Sir Ridesalot wrote:

On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:37:18 PM UTC-5, James wrote:

On 18/12/13 10:03, Lou Holtman wrote:



On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 11:53:59 PM UTC+1, James wrote:



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It's one of the reasons I loath the spread of what is locally known as



"Copenhagen bike lanes", where the bike lane is next to the kerb, and



segregated from traffic by a line of parked cars and bollards, etc.



Gradually our right to ride on the road as vehicle operators is being



diminished.

--



JS



Kerb side bicycle lanes can be interesting to even try and find on a snow covered road.



Cheers



Well like I said in Quebec you have to ride to the right so you would

likely be in the bike lane anyway. It's the cars sliding around that

wouldn't see it.



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duane

Hi Duane.

Wha I meant is that you might not even know that a bike lane was there. There is a city near me that is quite dangerous to either drive or ride in when the roadsare covered in snow if you are not familiar with those roads. You see, you might be driving eastbound in the leftmost lane thinking that the lane you are in continues to your front. BUT, that lane you're in suddenly beomes the westbound right turning lane! There is no marking showing that EXCEPT for the pinted road markings. Neat huh?

Cheers

On 12/18/2013 10:51 AM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:08:46 AM UTC-5, Duane wrote:
Sir Ridesalot wrote:

On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:37:18 PM UTC-5, James wrote:

On 18/12/13 10:03, Lou Holtman wrote:



On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 11:53:59 PM UTC+1, James wrote:



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It's one of the reasons I loath the spread of what is locally known as



"Copenhagen bike lanes", where the bike lane is next to the kerb, and



segregated from traffic by a line of parked cars and bollards, etc.



Gradually our right to ride on the road as vehicle operators is being



diminished.

--



JS



Kerb side bicycle lanes can be interesting to even try and find on a snow covered road.



Cheers



Well like I said in Quebec you have to ride to the right so you would

likely be in the bike lane anyway. It's the cars sliding around that

wouldn't see it.



--

duane

Hi Duane.

Wha I meant is that you might not even know that a bike lane was there. There is a city near me that is quite dangerous to either drive or ride in when the roadsare covered in snow if you are not familiar with those roads. You see, you might be driving eastbound in the leftmost lane thinking that the lane you are in continues to your front. BUT, that lane you're in suddenly beomes the westbound right turning lane! There is no marking showing that EXCEPT for the pinted road markings. Neat huh?



Ahh. I see what you mean. We have a road that is a two lane and coming
to an intersection widens to a 3 lane with left must turn left, center
must go straight and right must go right. The only markings are on the
road as you say. Anyone not knowing the area can create major traffic
jams when there is snow on the ground. Not quite as bad as going the
wrong way but same idea.

BTW, in Ontario, is it required to use bike lanes if they exist? I know
that we aren't required to ride single file there so we often take the
car lane when we're in double rotation. Last time around Kingston there
was a bike lane that appeared and we weren't sure whether we should
switch to single and get in the lane. We didn't and no one complained
but...

On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 10:37:18 +1100, James wrote:

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Gradually our right to ride on the road as vehicle operators is being
diminished.

They are saving it for the few remaining XB GT Ford Falcons and also,
some other methane powered vehicles. Oh and Tina Turner.
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davethedave

On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 3:03:42 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 11:53:59 PM UTC+1, James wrote:

In Victoria and I assume all of Australia, we have:

247 Riding in a bicycle lane on a road

(1) The rider of a bicycle riding on a length of road
with a bicycle lane designed for bicycles
travelling in the same direction as the rider must
ride in the bicycle lane unless it is impracticable to
do so.

I like that if the rider is going the wrong way he's exempt :-)

Penalty: 3 penalty units.

"Penalty units" (?) Hmmm... Oh! That's right - you guys
started out as a penal colony.

Around here the penalty is getting honked and/or yelled at - maybe
buzz passed, and even that is often not assessed - like in those
cases where the parties involved are reasonable, practical people
(probably visiting from The Netherlands).

Note

Rule 153 defines a bicycle lane and deals with the use of
bicycle lanes by other vehicles.

Is there anything similar for you?

I'm also wondering what the test case will be for "impracticable".


Test case? You mean in court, right? Well, that will be subject
to subjective judgement (thankfully, there are these people called
"judges" in courts). Even with expert testimony and statistical
evidence, it's going to come down to a subjective analysis of the
case at hand - reasonableness and all that, you know. No one is
going to tell *me* that "statistics show probability 'X' of you
getting a flat tire on that debris, and the relative cost of a
flat tire factored with 'X' is less than the cost you imposed on
The System by deviating from the requirement otherwise. Therefor... "

I mean, come on - what is "practicable" varies tremendously from one
rider to the next. So even the real world test case is going to
be case-by-case.

Yes, something like that. Most bicycle lanes are mandatory but we are practical, the people and the law enforcement.


Very well said. (Ah, to be a member of the enlightened society... )

I will try again to take a lesson from your succinct style.