Paul cantilever brake set-up help

I am installing canti brakes on an old Miyata six ten touring frame. I am
using 700c Velocity Dyad rims in place of the 27 inch the frame came with.
I bought Paul Touring for the rear and Neo Retro for the front.

The Touring went on just fine, but the Neo Retro brake pads strike the tire.
I then tried the Touring cantis on the front and the same thing happened.
I reinstalled the no-name stamped steel cantilever brakes the frame came
with and they align very well with these rims.

I would prefer to use the NR brakes, or purchase something of quality to use
in their stead.

I feel like I am missing something obvious. Any ideas?

Frank- I am installing canti brakes on an old Miyata six ten touring frame.
I am
using 700c Velocity Dyad rims in place of the 27 inch the frame came with.
I bought Paul Touring for the rear and Neo Retro for the front. BRBR
The Touring went on just fine, but the Neo Retro brake pads strike the tire.
BRBR

I answer-700c are smaller than 27inch. Not surprise3d you can't get the pads
low enough. The posts that the brakes mount on are too high, for 27 inch wheel.
Tou can try a canti with a longer adjustment slot in them, like Tektro but no
guarantees.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

"Qui si parla Campagnolo " wrote in message
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Frank- I am installing canti brakes on an old Miyata six ten touring
frame.
I am
using 700c Velocity Dyad rims in place of the 27 inch the frame came with.
I bought Paul Touring for the rear and Neo Retro for the front. BRBR
The Touring went on just fine, but the Neo Retro brake pads strike the
tire.
BRBR

I answer-700c are smaller than 27inch. Not surprise3d you can't get the
pads
low enough. The posts that the brakes mount on are too high, for 27 inch
wheel.
Tou can try a canti with a longer adjustment slot in them, like Tektro but
no
guarantees.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

It didn't make sense that the Paul Cantis work in the back of the bike but
not on the fork.

"Frank Knox" wrote in message ...
"Qui si parla Campagnolo " wrote in message
...
Frank- I am installing canti brakes on an old Miyata six ten touring
frame.
I am
using 700c Velocity Dyad rims in place of the 27 inch the frame came with.
I bought Paul Touring for the rear and Neo Retro for the front. BRBR
The Touring went on just fine, but the Neo Retro brake pads strike the
tire.
BRBR

I answer-700c are smaller than 27inch. Not surprise3d you can't get the
pads
low enough. The posts that the brakes mount on are too high, for 27 inch
wheel.
Tou can try a canti with a longer adjustment slot in them, like Tektro but
no
guarantees.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

It didn't make sense that the Paul Cantis work in the back of the bike but
not on the fork.

I don't think it's unheard of. I used to have a Koga Miyata touring
frame (Road Gentleman). I could use the Tektro Oryx cantilever on the
back but not the front. I think the reason is that the fork blades
were spaced more narrowly than the seatstays. In the rear, the brakes
had more room to swing freely. Given the vintage of your frame, it
probably has a fork narrower than the unicrown ones usually found on
touring bikes these days.

Another possibility is that the Neo Retros have different dimensions
than the Touring cantis (aside from the cable attachment point).

"Gary Young" wrote in message
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"Frank Knox" wrote in message
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"Qui si parla Campagnolo " wrote in message
...
Frank- I am installing canti brakes on an old Miyata six ten touring
frame.
I am
using 700c Velocity Dyad rims in place of the 27 inch the frame came
with.
I bought Paul Touring for the rear and Neo Retro for the front.
BRBR
The Touring went on just fine, but the Neo Retro brake pads strike
the
tire.
BRBR

I answer-700c are smaller than 27inch. Not surprise3d you can't get
the
pads
low enough. The posts that the brakes mount on are too high, for 27
inch
wheel.
Tou can try a canti with a longer adjustment slot in them, like Tektro
but
no
guarantees.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

It didn't make sense that the Paul Cantis work in the back of the bike
but
not on the fork.

I don't think it's unheard of. I used to have a Koga Miyata touring
frame (Road Gentleman). I could use the Tektro Oryx cantilever on the
back but not the front. I think the reason is that the fork blades
were spaced more narrowly than the seatstays. In the rear, the brakes
had more room to swing freely. Given the vintage of your frame, it
probably has a fork narrower than the unicrown ones usually found on
touring bikes these days.

Another possibility is that the Neo Retros have different dimensions
than the Touring cantis (aside from the cable attachment point).


I think you hit the nail on the head. I'll save the Touring cantis for the
new touring frame when I get one.

Frank Knox wrote:

I am installing canti brakes on an old Miyata six ten touring frame. I am
using 700c Velocity Dyad rims in place of the 27 inch the frame came with.
I bought Paul Touring for the rear and Neo Retro for the front.

The Touring went on just fine, but the Neo Retro brake pads strike the tire.
I then tried the Touring cantis on the front and the same thing happened.
I reinstalled the no-name stamped steel cantilever brakes the frame came
with and they align very well with these rims.

I would prefer to use the NR brakes, or purchase something of quality to use
in their stead.

Your frame was designed for 27 inch wheels but, as you
discovered, some cantilevers allow more pad height
adjustment than others. Try a basic inexpensive cantilever
in the $15 to $20 range. They are arguably better than fancy
models, easier to set up and generally have more range of
adjustment. Bring your bike to the LBS and slip a few brakes
on to check the fit. You needn't actually install them to
check pad height.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Frank Knox wrote:
I am installing canti brakes on an old Miyata six ten touring
frame. I am
using 700c Velocity Dyad rims in place of the 27 inch the frame came with.
I bought Paul Touring for the rear and Neo Retro for the front. BRBR
The Touring went on just fine, but the Neo Retro brake pads strike the
tire.

"Qui si parla Campagnolo "
700c are smaller than 27inch. Not surprise3d you can't get the
pads
low enough. The posts that the brakes mount on are too high, for 27 inch
wheel
You can try a canti with a longer adjustment slot in them, like Tektro but
no guarantees.

Frank Knox wrote:
It didn't make sense that the Paul Cantis work in the back of the bike but
not on the fork.

Yes it does.
Bikes commonly have a different clearance front to back.
Heck some classic touring bikes shipped with 610s in front
and 750s in back. Look closer at pad height on a few bikes.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

frank writes- It didn't make sense that the Paul Cantis work in the back of
the bike but
not on the fork. BRBR

I have seen 27inch to 700c conversions that can use the old brakes, one of the
old brakes or neither, on the front and/or the back. There is/was no real
standards for brake mounting positions, why brakes have slots for adjusting
brake blocks up and down.

Paul Cantis DO mount the blocks pretty low, Tektro slots are longer. I could
not put a Paul NeoRetro onto my Woundup 700c cross fork w/o filing a bunch of
metal out of the slot and it was still too high, why I went to the Tektro

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"