Question about TdF Stage 18 results

Both VeloNews and CyclingNews show the same crucial results for Stage
18 of the Tour de France:

[Snip the first 139 irrelevant finishers--who cares about them?]

140 Christopher Horner (USA) Davitamon-Lotto 9.40
141 Walter Beneteau (Fra) Bouygues Telecom 8.00

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2006...sults/tour0618

http://velonews.com/tour2006/results...s/10518.0.html

Why is Walter Beneteau edging Christopher Horner out of last place?

Walter's 8.00 behind the stage winner should put him in glory with the
other 115 riders awarded that time, not stuff him at the bottom as
tail-end charlie.

So is Walter's 8.00 behind the leader simply a misprint?

Or was Walter silently relegated or punished for some infraction too
terrible to mention on family bicycling news sites? (Surely they care
about the stage's lanterne rouge!)

Or was Walter simply the victim of sinister Francophobia, in which
Horner's jingoistic fans hacked into the results system and made sure
that a USA rider was not dead last?

Carl Fogel

wrote:
Both VeloNews and CyclingNews show the same crucial results for Stage
18 of the Tour de France:

[Snip the first 139 irrelevant finishers--who cares about them?]

140 Christopher Horner (USA) Davitamon-Lotto 9.40
141 Walter Beneteau (Fra) Bouygues Telecom 8.00

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2006...sults/tour0618

http://velonews.com/tour2006/results...s/10518.0.html

Why is Walter Beneteau edging Christopher Horner out of last place?

If you crash or get a flat within the final 3km, you get the time of the
group you would have finished with but your placing is recorded in the
order you crossed the finish line.

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:35:01 +0200, "Robert Chung"
wrote:

wrote:
Both VeloNews and CyclingNews show the same crucial results for Stage
18 of the Tour de France:

[Snip the first 139 irrelevant finishers--who cares about them?]

140 Christopher Horner (USA) Davitamon-Lotto 9.40
141 Walter Beneteau (Fra) Bouygues Telecom 8.00

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2006...sults/tour0618

http://velonews.com/tour2006/results...s/10518.0.html

Why is Walter Beneteau edging Christopher Horner out of last place?

If you crash or get a flat within the final 3km, you get the time of the
group you would have finished with but your placing is recorded in the
order you crossed the finish line.

Dear Robert,

Aha!

Do you know whether Walter suffered a mere flat tire and fell behind
everyone, or crashed in a desperate effort to out-do one of the other
115 riders in his 8.00 group?

(For some reason, detailed coverage is lacking for the end of the
peloton with which most of us should identify.)

Thanks,

Carl Fogel

wrote:

Do you know whether Walter suffered a mere flat tire and fell behind
everyone, or crashed in a desperate effort to out-do one of the other
115 riders in his 8.00 group?

Nope, but it might be mentioned in tomorrow's L'Equipe. The reason why
groups of riders are all given the same time, btw, is exactly to prevent
mad sprints for 114th place.

Robert Chung wrote:
The reason why
groups of riders are all given the same time, btw, is exactly to prevent
mad sprints for 114th place.

No matter how entertaining that may be.

It will be interesting to see what nasty things L'Equipe and the French in
general will have to say about Floyd's epic ride yesterday.

In article , lid says...


Robert Chung wrote:
The reason why
groups of riders are all given the same time, btw, is exactly to prevent
mad sprints for 114th place.

No matter how entertaining that may be.

RS wrote:
It will be interesting to see what nasty things L'Equipe and the French in
general will have to say about Floyd's epic ride yesterday.



From Pirates of the Caribbean

Pintel: "Parley? Damn to the depths whatever man what thought of "Parley"."
Jack Sparrow: "That would be the French."

It will be interesting to see what nasty things L'Equipe and the French in
general will have to say about Floyd's epic ride yesterday.

you're doing what you expect them to do: bashing.
you just assume that they will write something nasty.
as for the french in general, they love the tour, and will certainly
applaud landis whatever he does in the next two days after his
incredible ride to morzine.
i suppose you can't read anything else than american, hence you didn't
bother to check what the french press said after morzine. they were
comparing landis' exploit to the one realized by charly gaul in 1958.
to put it in terms you may understand, it's like if the american press
would compare favorably to muhammad ali a french boxer.
chauvinistic clods like you have certainly a part of responsibility on
how americans are perceived overseas.

Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services
----------------------------------------------------------
** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY **
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.usenet.com

ZeMascouflatte wrote:

i suppose you can't read anything else than american, hence you didn't
bother to check what the french press said after morzine. they were
comparing landis' exploit to the one realized by charly gaul in 1958.

It's not like the French media are innocent of American-bashing over
the last seven years, after all. They've got a LONG way to go to
prove that they're over that nonsense. It's kind of hard to blame
someone for assuming it hasn't necessarily reverted to sweetness and
light already.

How about the previous front-page story in the French paper that
essentially said "Landis leads le tour, but has no panache"?

I think Mr. Landis made them eat those words. We haven't seen so much
panache in decades.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame

RS wrote:

It will be interesting to see what nasty things L'Equipe and the French in
general will have to say about Floyd's epic ride yesterday.

You'll be disappointed. This may come as a shock, but the French don't
really hate Americans. No doubt they'd prefer French winner, but they
probably don't mind an American winning the Tour any more than a
German or an Italian.

In general, the idea that the French are somehow devastated when an
American wins the Tour is nothing but an american wet dream. Admittedly
L'Equipe seems to be somehow obsessed with Lance Armstrong, but L'Equipe
isn't France and Lance isn't american cycling.

-as