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Fat people? Less gas!
Mke,, if gasoline goes up and up .. making it very very expensive ... no
one will need to go anywhere, because there will be no jobs. Take for expample my meager job; I drive a school bus. Already, the bus company and the school system are talking about cutting back on routes, etc. Diesel is up to $3 plus per gallon. Yes, there is waste in the system. Yes, it would be much better if the kids walked. But what about all those single mothers I work with. They depend on the part time job to pay the rent, etc. What we need is a total effort, led by the president, to get our energy needs, transportation needs, economy, etc ready for the $10 dollar per gallon gas. If not? Anarchy. Crime will go through the roof. Unemployment will be unbelievable. Just stop for a moment and think ... $10 per gallon gasoline. The poor could not afford to drive. How will then get anywhere. And where will they go? To the mall? For what. Your posting is interesting in that bicycles will be very much a part of the transportation system. As will walking. But we will have huge problems to deal with as well. ======================================== "Mike Kruger" wrote in message . net... According to a study by Charles Courtemanche, an additional $1 per gallon in real gasoline prices would reduce U.S. obesity by 15 percent after five years. http://improbable.com/2007/10/30/fat...have-less-gas/ -- Mike Kruger Go ahead, threaten me like you have the American people for so long! You're part of a dying breed, Hapsburg, like people who can name all fifty states! The truth hurts, doesn't it, Hapsburg? Oh sure, maybe not as much as landing on a bicycle with the seat missing, but it hurts! [Naked Gun 2-1/2] |
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DougC wrote:
I have read in one print magazine that the cause of obesity in most first-world countries is not usually lack of exercise, but an imbalanced diet. Many of the persons studied could afford a healthier diet, they just made poor choices for their food intake. ~ This just arrived in the morning's e-mail from the National Bureau of Economic Research http://papers.nber.org/papers/w12954 by Sara Bleich, David Cutler, Christopher Murray, and Alyce Adams The conclusions of this paper are surprising and startling "Results show that rising obesity is primarily the result of consuming more calories." "increased caloric intake accounted for 93 percent of the change in adult obesity from1990 to 2001 (the remainder is attributable to reduced energy expenditure). The increase in caloric intake appears to be driven by technological innovations, such as lower food prices and the ease with which businesses can enter the marketplace, as well as changing sociodemographic characteristics such as increased labor force participation and increased urbanization. Across the developed world, average food prices fell by 12 percent from 1980 to 2002, which the authors associate with a corresponding higher caloric intake of approximately 38 calories. A 10 percent increase in female labor force participation was associated with an increase of approximately 70 calories. A 10 percent increase in urbanization was associated with an increase of approximately 113 calories. The authors point out that a very small net increase in calories may lead to a large increase in obesity, and they predict expected changes in weight based on the associations they observe between caloric supply and the drivers of increased consumption. For example, they show that increasing food prices by 12 percent would be associated with a decrease of 1.5 kilograms (3.4 pounds) for the average 65-kilogram (143-pound) person. Similarly, they show that decreasing urbanization by 5 percent would be associated with a decrease of 2.2 kilograms (5 pounds) for the average 65-kilogram person." This study is also subject to the usual limitations of causal inference. -- Mike Kruger Go ahead, threaten me like you have the American people for so long! You're part of a dying breed, Hapsburg, like people who can name all fifty states! The truth hurts, doesn't it, Hapsburg? Oh sure, maybe not as much as landing on a bicycle with the seat missing, but it hurts! [Naked Gun 2-1/2] |
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On Nov 2, 7:56 pm, "Mike Kruger" wrote:
According to a study by Charles Courtemanche You'd trust a study by a dude with a faggy name like that? In other news, gas is $7/gallon in the UK and they still fry Mars bars. |
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Tom Keats wrote: In article , "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )" writes: Mike Kruger wrote: wrote: Tom Sherman wrote: Mike Kruger wrote: According to a study by Charles Courtemanche, an additional $1 per gallon in real gasoline prices would reduce U.S. obesity by 15 percent after five years. http://improbable.com/2007/10/30/fat...have-less-gas/ Correlation and causation confused yet again. Did you read the dissertation? Because unless you did, how would you know that that particular error has been committed? An article he's submitted to a journal is here. http://artsci.wustl.edu/%7Ecjcourte/gas_obesity.pdf He seems to be hedging well enough for academic use: "A causal relationship between gasoline prices and obesity is possible ... I find empirical support for this theory. My estimates imply..." That's the start of the abstract. I haven't read the entire paper yet. There's 19 equations, most of which seem to be regressions. If you put the price of gas at ten bucks a gallon, everyone is going to ride their bikes. No they won't. They'll begrudgingly pay the ten bucks a gallon, and continue to drive. They're hooked. Totally and inextricably addicted. You mean still drive giant SUVs? I suspect not. The truth is, three dollars a gallon isn't that high if you consider inflation and historical high gas prices. Ten dollars a gallon is crazy too much to pay and you would see a response. -- "Throw me that lipstick, darling, I wanna redo my stigmata." +-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous" |
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sally wrote: What is the average adult weight in countries with much higher gasoline prices than the USA? Last time I visited England and Germany, I did not see huge numbers of skinny people. The rule in England is, "Just as long as I can fit in the Tube." -- "Throw me that lipstick, darling, I wanna redo my stigmata." +-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous" |
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Sir Thomas of Cannondale wrote: Mke,, if gasoline goes up and up .. making it very very expensive ... no one will need to go anywhere, because there will be no jobs. Take for expample my meager job; I drive a school bus. Already, the bus company and the school system are talking about cutting back on routes, etc. Diesel is up to $3 plus per gallon. Yes, there is waste in the system. Yes, it would be much better if the kids walked. But what about all those single mothers I work with. They depend on the part time job to pay the rent, etc. What we need is a total effort, led by the president, to get our energy needs, transportation needs, economy, etc ready for the $10 dollar per gallon gas. If not? Anarchy. Crime will go through the roof. Unemployment will be unbelievable. If gasoline is ten dollars a gallon, a lot of alternatives come to mind. Obviously you can walk or bike, but consider that trains will make more sense for transporting goods. That would make the roads safer since accidents involving big rigs, whether or not the drive of the truck is at fault, tend to be disproportionally deadly. Other alternatives include gasification (etc.) of waste biological materials. Call it the Soylent Green of our energy future. Just stop for a moment and think ... $10 per gallon gasoline. The poor could not afford to drive. How will then get anywhere. And where will they go? To the mall? For what. Your posting is interesting in that bicycles will be very much a part of the transportation system. As will walking. Many countries have many people riding bikes. Consider China. -- "Throw me that lipstick, darling, I wanna redo my stigmata." +-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous" |
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landotter wrote: On Nov 2, 7:56 pm, "Mike Kruger" wrote: According to a study by Charles Courtemanche You'd trust a study by a dude with a faggy name like that? In other news, gas is $7/gallon in the UK and they still fry Mars bars. Think of it this way, if you could afford to drive your 15 mpg SUV at $2 per gallon, you can likely afford to drive a 45 mpg car at $6 a gallon and a 60 mpg Trotter-mobile at $8. Americans can certainly adjust to increases in petrol prices. -- "Throw me that lipstick, darling, I wanna redo my stigmata." +-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous" |
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On Nov 3, 1:17 pm, "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )"
wrote: landotter wrote: On Nov 2, 7:56 pm, "Mike Kruger" wrote: According to a study by Charles Courtemanche You'd trust a study by a dude with a faggy name like that? In other news, gas is $7/gallon in the UK and they still fry Mars bars. Think of it this way, if you could afford to drive your 15 mpg SUV at $2 per gallon, you can likely afford to drive a 45 mpg car at $6 a gallon and a 60 mpg Trotter-mobile at $8. Americans can certainly adjust to increases in petrol prices. Yup. Fuel pricing does little to discourage miles driven. Folks I know in the UK and Sweden that live outside of cities drive just as much. The secret to getting people to drive less is inextricably linked to urban design. "Throw me that lipstick, darling, I wanna redo my stigmata." Brilliant! |
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On Nov 3, 12:14 am, sally wrote:
What is the average adult weight in countries with much higher gasoline prices than the USA? Last time I visited England and Germany, I did not see huge numbers of skinny people. While I don't know enough to comment on the paper mentioned by the OP, I must say my impression is different than Sally's. Last time I was in England and Wales, my business colleague and I remarked on the greater American obesity as soon as we landed, while we were watching Americans walk around the airport. I know that the Brits are concerned about their rising obesity levels. But I'm pretty sure we're far worse than they are. - Frank Krygowski |
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wrote in message ups.com... On Nov 3, 12:14 am, sally wrote: What is the average adult weight in countries with much higher gasoline prices than the USA? Last time I visited England and Germany, I did not see huge numbers of skinny people. While I don't know enough to comment on the paper mentioned by the OP, I must say my impression is different than Sally's. Last time I was in England and Wales, my business colleague and I remarked on the greater American obesity as soon as we landed, while we were watching Americans walk around the airport. I agree with Frank here. I know that the Brits are concerned about their rising obesity levels. But I'm pretty sure we're far worse than they are. And while the Japanese are concerned about their rising obesity levels, the weekend after we got back from Japan, my husband and I went riding out in the countryside. We stopped at a small town diner for lunch. We saw more obese people just in that diner than I saw in two weeks of traveling around Japan. -- Warm Regards, Claire Petersky http://www.bicyclemeditations.org/ See the books I've set free at: http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky |
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