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In praise of Brooks saddles
On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 4:21:42 PM UTC, Andre Jute wrote:
On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 6:01:48 AM UTC, pH wrote: On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 4:35:08 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote: In another thread some people are bashing Brooks saddles. This is the space for them to claim they weren't bashing Brooks saddles. I can't join them. Though it is true that for a long time I drank their koolaid and assumed a Brooks saddle is one of those tools, like drop bars, that cyclists choose as agents of self-mortification, when I did buy a Brooks (B73, thick leather hammock, triple stiff helical springs, double rail mounting springs, fifty quid on sale at SJS, makers of the much-admired Thorn bikes -- Sheldon had one), I found it so comfortable that now, ten years later, you will have to pry it from my cold dead bum. I don't remember breaking it in either. It is now, allowing for a few scrapes and scuffs, exactly the same shape as it was 10K+ back. The way I ride on the downhills a firm, positively locating saddle is imperative. There's no point to expensively developing a fast, secure bike and then buying from a bike-fashion boutique some narrow saddle that you need to clench onto. I call those "jaillhouse saddles" for the obvious reason. |
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On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 7:47:47 PM UTC-5, news18 wrote:
Our preferred brand of saddles is Bell, an Australian company from old and there are two antique/classical models (spring ride and quad rails), and four similar to the Brooks B17. When is comes to Brooks, we are almost exclusively B17(?) and we have/had four of them. Unfortunately, over the years, we have had three twin rail versions of the Brooks B17(?) break down and the leather of the others, despite regular treatment tend to stretch. Never had that in the Bells. The number is rounded off by a couple of plastic fantastics one being junk and the other SWMBOD's choice which serves as platforms for a gel seat cover for her. Long ago, we had a friend of ours who expressed interest in bicycling, but said she could not find any saddle that was comfortable. We tried giving her a gel seat cover. She claimed it made the pain much worse. It's probably an indication that we're all different down there. But it might have (also?) been an indication that she really wasn't that interested in riding. - Frank Krygowski |
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On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 18:53:09 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
wrote: On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 7:47:47 PM UTC-5, news18 wrote: Our preferred brand of saddles is Bell, an Australian company from old and there are two antique/classical models (spring ride and quad rails), and four similar to the Brooks B17. When is comes to Brooks, we are almost exclusively B17(?) and we have/had four of them. Unfortunately, over the years, we have had three twin rail versions of the Brooks B17(?) break down and the leather of the others, despite regular treatment tend to stretch. Never had that in the Bells. The number is rounded off by a couple of plastic fantastics one being junk and the other SWMBOD's choice which serves as platforms for a gel seat cover for her. Long ago, we had a friend of ours who expressed interest in bicycling, but said she could not find any saddle that was comfortable. We tried giving her a gel seat cover. She claimed it made the pain much worse. It's probably an indication that we're all different down there. But it might have (also?) been an indication that she really wasn't that interested in riding. - Frank Krygowski Perhaps a combination of the two. Most cyclists that I know have a number of seats that they don't use as they "don't fit". -- cheers, John B. |
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On 12/10/2019 11:54 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 18:53:09 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski wrote: On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 7:47:47 PM UTC-5, news18 wrote: Our preferred brand of saddles is Bell, an Australian company from old and there are two antique/classical models (spring ride and quad rails), and four similar to the Brooks B17. When is comes to Brooks, we are almost exclusively B17(?) and we have/had four of them. Unfortunately, over the years, we have had three twin rail versions of the Brooks B17(?) break down and the leather of the others, despite regular treatment tend to stretch. Never had that in the Bells. The number is rounded off by a couple of plastic fantastics one being junk and the other SWMBOD's choice which serves as platforms for a gel seat cover for her. Long ago, we had a friend of ours who expressed interest in bicycling, but said she could not find any saddle that was comfortable. We tried giving her a gel seat cover. She claimed it made the pain much worse. It's probably an indication that we're all different down there. But it might have (also?) been an indication that she really wasn't that interested in riding. - Frank Krygowski Perhaps a combination of the two. Most cyclists that I know have a number of seats that they don't use as they "don't fit". Yes, and I got one of my most comfortable seats from a friend. It came with his high end tandem, but he couldn't stand it. I talked to our bike club's program chairman and suggested a Seat Swap Day might be a valuable program at a meeting. Sadly, he showed no interest. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 4:57:54 PM UTC, Frank Krygowski wrote:
I talked to our bike club's program chairman and suggested a Seat Swap Day might be a valuable program at a meeting. Sadly, he showed no interest. Sounds like a good idea. But, because it came from you, Franki-boy, the chairman was always going to refuse you. You shoulda sent someon with people skills to make the suggestion and have it accepted and executed. Andre Jute Seersucker Coronel |
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On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 11:57:51 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 12/10/2019 11:54 PM, John B. wrote: On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 18:53:09 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski wrote: On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 7:47:47 PM UTC-5, news18 wrote: Our preferred brand of saddles is Bell, an Australian company from old and there are two antique/classical models (spring ride and quad rails), and four similar to the Brooks B17. When is comes to Brooks, we are almost exclusively B17(?) and we have/had four of them. Unfortunately, over the years, we have had three twin rail versions of the Brooks B17(?) break down and the leather of the others, despite regular treatment tend to stretch. Never had that in the Bells. The number is rounded off by a couple of plastic fantastics one being junk and the other SWMBOD's choice which serves as platforms for a gel seat cover for her. Long ago, we had a friend of ours who expressed interest in bicycling, but said she could not find any saddle that was comfortable. We tried giving her a gel seat cover. She claimed it made the pain much worse. It's probably an indication that we're all different down there. But it might have (also?) been an indication that she really wasn't that interested in riding. - Frank Krygowski Perhaps a combination of the two. Most cyclists that I know have a number of seats that they don't use as they "don't fit". Yes, and I got one of my most comfortable seats from a friend. It came with his high end tandem, but he couldn't stand it. I talked to our bike club's program chairman and suggested a Seat Swap Day might be a valuable program at a meeting. Sadly, he showed no interest. There is a really large "swap meet" in Bangkok on the first weekend of each month and "saddles" new and used are a very popular item there. See: https://bicyclethailand.com/bangkoks...icycle-market/ Interestingly it is held in the parking lot of the Telephone Organization of Thailand's Main office building. Apparently some of their employees are Bike Nuts. Anyone Can bring their "stuff" pay a small fee - I think something like $10 or $15) and you get a section to display your "stuff". They used to have "swap meets" like this in the U.S. when I lived there. Usually at Drive-in Theaters. Bring your "stuff" rent a space and do business in cash. I remember there was a young couple, had a Volkswagen bus, that made and sold silk screened tee shirts. I got to talking with them and this was their "business" making tee shirts and selling them for cash at swap meets. I wanted to ask them what they listed as their income on their tax statement, but being the polite gentleman that I am, refrained from doing so :-) -- cheers, John B. |
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On 12/11/2019 8:13 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 11:57:51 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 12/10/2019 11:54 PM, John B. wrote: On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 18:53:09 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski wrote: On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 7:47:47 PM UTC-5, news18 wrote: Our preferred brand of saddles is Bell, an Australian company from old and there are two antique/classical models (spring ride and quad rails), and four similar to the Brooks B17. When is comes to Brooks, we are almost exclusively B17(?) and we have/had four of them. Unfortunately, over the years, we have had three twin rail versions of the Brooks B17(?) break down and the leather of the others, despite regular treatment tend to stretch. Never had that in the Bells. The number is rounded off by a couple of plastic fantastics one being junk and the other SWMBOD's choice which serves as platforms for a gel seat cover for her. Long ago, we had a friend of ours who expressed interest in bicycling, but said she could not find any saddle that was comfortable. We tried giving her a gel seat cover. She claimed it made the pain much worse. It's probably an indication that we're all different down there. But it might have (also?) been an indication that she really wasn't that interested in riding. - Frank Krygowski Perhaps a combination of the two. Most cyclists that I know have a number of seats that they don't use as they "don't fit". Yes, and I got one of my most comfortable seats from a friend. It came with his high end tandem, but he couldn't stand it. I talked to our bike club's program chairman and suggested a Seat Swap Day might be a valuable program at a meeting. Sadly, he showed no interest. There is a really large "swap meet" in Bangkok on the first weekend of each month and "saddles" new and used are a very popular item there. See: https://bicyclethailand.com/bangkoks...icycle-market/ Interestingly it is held in the parking lot of the Telephone Organization of Thailand's Main office building. Apparently some of their employees are Bike Nuts. Anyone Can bring their "stuff" pay a small fee - I think something like $10 or $15) and you get a section to display your "stuff". They used to have "swap meets" like this in the U.S. when I lived there. Usually at Drive-in Theaters. Bring your "stuff" rent a space and do business in cash. I remember there was a young couple, had a Volkswagen bus, that made and sold silk screened tee shirts. I got to talking with them and this was their "business" making tee shirts and selling them for cash at swap meets. I wanted to ask them what they listed as their income on their tax statement, but being the polite gentleman that I am, refrained from doing so :-) -- cheers, John B. Which kept those $5 shirts from becoming $10 shirts. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:25:45 -0600, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/11/2019 8:13 PM, John B. wrote: On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 11:57:51 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 12/10/2019 11:54 PM, John B. wrote: On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 18:53:09 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski wrote: On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 7:47:47 PM UTC-5, news18 wrote: Our preferred brand of saddles is Bell, an Australian company from old and there are two antique/classical models (spring ride and quad rails), and four similar to the Brooks B17. When is comes to Brooks, we are almost exclusively B17(?) and we have/had four of them. Unfortunately, over the years, we have had three twin rail versions of the Brooks B17(?) break down and the leather of the others, despite regular treatment tend to stretch. Never had that in the Bells. The number is rounded off by a couple of plastic fantastics one being junk and the other SWMBOD's choice which serves as platforms for a gel seat cover for her. Long ago, we had a friend of ours who expressed interest in bicycling, but said she could not find any saddle that was comfortable. We tried giving her a gel seat cover. She claimed it made the pain much worse. It's probably an indication that we're all different down there. But it might have (also?) been an indication that she really wasn't that interested in riding. - Frank Krygowski Perhaps a combination of the two. Most cyclists that I know have a number of seats that they don't use as they "don't fit". Yes, and I got one of my most comfortable seats from a friend. It came with his high end tandem, but he couldn't stand it. I talked to our bike club's program chairman and suggested a Seat Swap Day might be a valuable program at a meeting. Sadly, he showed no interest. There is a really large "swap meet" in Bangkok on the first weekend of each month and "saddles" new and used are a very popular item there. See: https://bicyclethailand.com/bangkoks...icycle-market/ Interestingly it is held in the parking lot of the Telephone Organization of Thailand's Main office building. Apparently some of their employees are Bike Nuts. Anyone Can bring their "stuff" pay a small fee - I think something like $10 or $15) and you get a section to display your "stuff". They used to have "swap meets" like this in the U.S. when I lived there. Usually at Drive-in Theaters. Bring your "stuff" rent a space and do business in cash. I remember there was a young couple, had a Volkswagen bus, that made and sold silk screened tee shirts. I got to talking with them and this was their "business" making tee shirts and selling them for cash at swap meets. I wanted to ask them what they listed as their income on their tax statement, but being the polite gentleman that I am, refrained from doing so :-) -- cheers, John B. Which kept those $5 shirts from becoming $10 shirts. Probably :-) I always wonder what happens to people like that. I would guess that it is really a lot of work to be continually silk screening tee shirts, driving around the state to go to swap meets, sleeping in the car to save money, eating at McDonalds. Do they "grow up" and get a regular job? Or are they now stubbing around with a cane selling tee shirts door to door? -- cheers, John B. |
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On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 10:03:24 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:25:45 -0600, AMuzi wrote: On 12/11/2019 8:13 PM, John B. wrote: They used to have "swap meets" like this in the U.S. when I lived there. Usually at Drive-in Theaters. Bring your "stuff" rent a space and do business in cash. I remember there was a young couple, had a Volkswagen bus, that made and sold silk screened tee shirts. I got to talking with them and this was their "business" making tee shirts and selling them for cash at swap meets. I wanted to ask them what they listed as their income on their tax statement, but being the polite gentleman that I am, refrained from doing so :-) -- cheers, John B. Which kept those $5 shirts from becoming $10 shirts. Probably :-) I always wonder what happens to people like that. I would guess that it is really a lot of work to be continually silk screening tee shirts, driving around the state to go to swap meets, sleeping in the car to save money, eating at McDonalds. Do they "grow up" and get a regular job? Or are they now stubbing around with a cane selling tee shirts door to door? My wife used to like going to arts and crafts shows. I didn't like it much, so I compromised by promising to go to one per year. Any others she could attend with friends. Anyway, at one of them a long time ago I talked to a guy selling jewelry he made. As I recall, he said he worked a few months in the winter making his goods, then attended the craft fairs for a few more months. The rest of the year was his vacation time. Of course, I don't know what happened to the guy in later years. Do you get a decent retirement from a career like that? - Frank Krygowski |
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