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Old March 20th 09, 06:18 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
Dien Cai Dau
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Natasha Richardson, a Tony Award-winning actress whose career melded
glamorous celebrity with the bloodline of theater royalty, died Wednesday at
Lenox Hill Hospital in Manhattan. She had suffered head injuries in a skiing
accident Monday north of Montreal, and was flown to New York on Tuesday. She
was 45 and lived in Manhattan and in Millbrook, N.Y.

Ms. Richardson, who was not wearing a helmet, had fallen during a beginner's
skiing lesson, a resort spokeswoman, Lyne Lortie, said Tuesday. "It was a
normal fall; she didn't hit anyone or anything," Ms. Lortie said. "She didn't
show any signs of injury. She was talking and she seemed all right."


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Old March 20th 09, 06:33 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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Dien Cai Dau wrote:
::
:: Ms. Richardson, who was not wearing a helmet, had fallen during a
:: beginner's skiing lesson, a resort spokeswoman, Lyne Lortie, said
:: Tuesday. "It was a normal fall; she didn't hit anyone or anything,"
:: Ms. Lortie said. "She didn't show any signs of injury. She was
:: talking and she seemed all right."

This is not a good example of why a person should wear a helmet. I heard a
report by a neurosurgeon on Ms. Richardson's accident and he said her fall
resulted in a twisting of the brain inside of her skull. The result was
damage to the frontal cortex. And, when asked if a helmet would have made a
difference, he said, "probably not" because this was a twisting type of
blow. He also said that it is not uncommon for a person in this situation to
not feel a lot of pain until several moments later as the blood was leaking
slowly.

Pat


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Old March 21st 09, 04:02 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
Frank Krygowski[_2_]
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On Mar 20, 2:18*pm, "Dien Cai Dau" wrote:
Natasha Richardson, a Tony Award-winning actress whose career melded
glamorous celebrity with the bloodline of theater royalty, died Wednesday at
Lenox Hill Hospital in Manhattan. She had suffered head injuries in a skiing
accident Monday north of Montreal, and was flown to New York on Tuesday. She
was 45 and lived in Manhattan and in Millbrook, N.Y.

Ms. Richardson, who was not wearing a helmet, had fallen during a beginner's
skiing lesson, a resort spokeswoman, Lyne Lortie, said Tuesday. "It was a
normal fall; she didn't hit anyone or anything," Ms. Lortie said. "She didn't
show any signs of injury. She was talking and she seemed all right."


Here's one reason NOT to wear a ski helmet. From
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29772691/ :

"The National Ski Areas Association (NSAA) of the United States
estimated 43 percent of skiers and snowboarders wore helmets in the
2007-08 season, against 25 percent five years earlier. ...

"The increase in the use of helmets has not reduced the overall number
of skiing fatalities," the NSAA said in a statement. "More than half
of the people involved in fatal accidents last season were wearing
helmets."

So more than half the fatalities were in helmets. But fewer than half
wear them. IOW, helmet use is _positively_ correlated with fatality.

Now if you want to attack head injury fatalities, why not propose
helmets for motorists? Both skiers and bicyclists are a minuscule
percentage of the head injury fatalities in America. But motorists
are roughly 50%. That's despite seat belts and air bags.

Dien Cai Dau - you still don't want to wear a helmet inside your
car?

- Frank Krygowski
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Old March 21st 09, 11:37 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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On Mar 20, 1:18*pm, "Dien Cai Dau" wrote:
Natasha Richardson, a Tony Award-winning actress whose career melded
glamorous celebrity with the bloodline of theater royalty, died Wednesday at
Lenox Hill Hospital in Manhattan. She had suffered head injuries in a skiing
accident Monday north of Montreal, and was flown to New York on Tuesday. She
was 45 and lived in Manhattan and in Millbrook, N.Y.

Ms. Richardson, who was not wearing a helmet, had fallen during a beginner's
skiing lesson, a resort spokeswoman, Lyne Lortie, said Tuesday. "It was a
normal fall; she didn't hit anyone or anything," Ms. Lortie said. "She didn't
show any signs of injury. She was talking and she seemed all right."


How does this statistically make wearing a helmet on a bunny slope
justifiable? Show me the trend of bunny slope deaths.

You won't be able to, because your double question mark question is
based on hysteria and fear, rather than real risk.
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Old March 21st 09, 11:50 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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aka Jobst Brandt wrote:
Otter wrote:

Natasha Richardson, a Tony Award-winning actress whose career
melded glamorous celebrity with the bloodline of theater royalty,
died Wednesday at Lenox Hill Hospital in Manhattan. She had
suffered head injuries in a skiing accident Monday north of
Montreal, and was flown to New York on Tuesday. She was 45 and
lived in Manhattan and in Millbrook, N.Y.


Ms. Richardson, who was not wearing a helmet, had fallen during a
beginner's skiing lesson, a resort spokeswoman, Lyne Lortie, said
Tuesday. "It was a normal fall; she didn't hit anyone or
anything," Ms. Lortie said. "She didn't show any signs of injury.
She was talking and she seemed all right."


How does this statistically make wearing a helmet on a bunny slope
justifiable? Show me the trend of bunny slope deaths.


You won't be able to, because your double question mark question is
based on hysteria and fear, rather than real risk.


Cool it! Faith and religion is a subject being treated in another
thread. Don't separate helmet threads from religion. It's a sin!

You mean wearing a magic foam bicycle hat will not protect me from 85%
of ALL injuries?

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Old March 22nd 09, 01:53 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
landotter
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On Mar 21, 6:50*pm, Tom Sherman
wrote:
aka Jobst Brandt wrote:

Otter wrote:


Natasha Richardson, a Tony Award-winning actress whose career
melded glamorous celebrity with the bloodline of theater royalty,
died Wednesday at Lenox Hill Hospital in Manhattan. *She had
suffered head injuries in a skiing accident Monday north of
Montreal, and was flown to New York on Tuesday. *She was 45 and
lived in Manhattan and in Millbrook, N.Y.


Ms. *Richardson, who was not wearing a helmet, had fallen during a
beginner's skiing lesson, a resort spokeswoman, Lyne Lortie, said
Tuesday. *"It was a normal fall; she didn't hit anyone or
anything," Ms. *Lortie said. *"She didn't show any signs of injury.
She was talking and she seemed all right."


How does this statistically make wearing a helmet on a bunny slope
justifiable? Show me the trend of bunny slope deaths.


You won't be able to, because your double question mark question is
based on hysteria and fear, rather than real risk.


Cool it! *Faith and religion is a subject being treated in another
thread. *Don't separate helmet threads from religion. *It's a sin!


You mean wearing a magic foam bicycle hat will not protect me from 85%
of ALL injuries?


If you're not wearing a Bell Thorax Shell--you're probably a
Republican!

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Old March 22nd 09, 06:10 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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In article ,
"Dien Cai Dau" writes:
Natasha Richardson, a Tony Award-winning actress whose career melded
glamorous celebrity with the bloodline of theater royalty, died Wednesday at
Lenox Hill Hospital in Manhattan. She had suffered head injuries in a skiing
accident Monday north of Montreal, and was flown to New York on Tuesday. She
was 45 and lived in Manhattan and in Millbrook, N.Y.

Ms. Richardson, who was not wearing a helmet, had fallen during a beginner's
skiing lesson, a resort spokeswoman, Lyne Lortie, said Tuesday. "It was a
normal fall; she didn't hit anyone or anything," Ms. Lortie said. "She didn't
show any signs of injury. She was talking and she seemed all right."


I'm saddened to see her go.

She was such a nice person, and a truly talented actor
who gave her all to her audiences: maybe partly in the
Redgrave dynastical tradition, and maybe mostly out of
plain ol' love.

She certainly does not deserve to become some "poster
example" for a political cause.

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I'm really at:
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Old March 26th 09, 06:16 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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On Mar 20, 1:18*pm, "Dien Cai Dau" wrote:
Natasha Richardson, a Tony Award-winning actress ...


Was this alpine or nordic skiing?
One is an extreme sport and the other rather pedestrian.

It seems unlikely that a helmet would have prevented this particular
injury for this particular celebrity. But even if we suspend that
reality and acquiesce that it is indeed prudent to wear a helmet when
slaloming down the side of a mountain, it wouldn't automatically
justify the use of a helmet when shuffling along like a normal person
who is not pretending that they are on ABC's wide world of sports.
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Old March 26th 09, 06:40 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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On Mar 26, 1:16*pm, DennisTheBald wrote:
On Mar 20, 1:18*pm, "Dien Cai Dau" wrote:

Natasha Richardson, a Tony Award-winning actress ...


Was this alpine or nordic skiing?
One is an extreme sport and the other rather pedestrian.


Bunny slope, very low speed fall. If we were to take this as an
example of where in life helmets are needed--we'd have to start with
wearing them in our cars, in the shower, and while climbing stairs.

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Old March 26th 09, 07:59 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
Frank Krygowski[_2_]
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On Mar 26, 2:40*pm, landotter wrote:
On Mar 26, 1:16*pm, DennisTheBald wrote:

On Mar 20, 1:18*pm, "Dien Cai Dau" wrote:


Natasha Richardson, a Tony Award-winning actress ...


Was this alpine or nordic skiing?
One is an extreme sport and the other rather pedestrian.


Bunny slope, very low speed fall.


Yes. IOW, she was probably going as fast as nordic skiers do.

If we were to take this as an
example of where in life helmets are needed--we'd have to start with
wearing them in our cars, in the shower, and while climbing stairs.


Why do the handwringers ignore all the thousands of head injury
fatalities with those causes?

- Frank Krygowski
 




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