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Phil W Lee wrote:
Joerg considered Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:01:29 -0700 the perfect time to write: Phil W Lee wrote: Joerg considered Thu, 25 Sep 2014 15:44:48 -0700 the perfect time to write: James wrote: On 26/09/14 07:40, Joerg wrote: [...] BTW, I have a road bike custom built in Europe (Germany), early 80's, all high-end stuff back then. It has the front brake on the left. Good for you. I have used 5 custom made road bikes, all of which had the front brake on the right. My guess is that most people's right hand is stronger than their left, and they have better motor skills to apply the brake better with the right hand. YMMV. Where are you living? In the UK? After all, they are driving on the wrong side of the road :-) duck and run As well you might. We did win at Waterloo you know. One shall not rest on the laurels :-) BTW, it just occurred to me that even my Bacchetta has a right front brake, and has had from new. That's made in the US. AFAIK they only make recumbents. I do not know what's customary there and have never ridden one. But if any regular US bike would be shipped with reversed brake handles that manufacturer would open themselves to lawsuits should something happen. If they shipped it to the UK, they'd have to put the brake levers the right way round, or it would be illegal for them to sell it. Even if nothing at all happened. It's illegal to offer for sale a bicycle with the brakes connected the wrong way round in the UK. This explains why right front is the default in most of the world, since we supplied most of the world with it's bicycles for much of the 20th century. I think you are clinging to an era long, long gone. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Phil W Lee wrote:
[...] But I'm sure you're aware that the Asian market dwarfs the rest of the world put together, and that's _all_ right front. It is not. http://www.kumocycles.com/uploads/5/...179381.jpg?515 [...] -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 29/09/14 10:22, John B. Slocomb wrote:
But it is all a tempest in a teapot, isn't it. Or is there some mechanical, physical or psychological reason for having a break actuator in any particular place? The bikes that I first rode the brake actuator built into the pedal system - pedal forward and the bike went ahead; pedal backward and it stopped. The "pedal backward and it stopped" for me was more like slowed with a skid until stopped. -- JS |
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"John B. Slocomb" wrote in message ... On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 19:33:42 +0100, Phil W Lee wrote: [snip] Or is there some mechanical, physical or psychological reason for having a break actuator in any particular place? Cheers, John B. Living in the UK my first bikes did have the front brake on the right but once I realised the front brake to be the one used most and got round to doing my own setups I changed over to having it on the left. Now all my bikes are set up that way and have been for at least thirty years so my brain is well and truely accustomed to the set up. The main reasons for my preferences a 1. Separating braking from gear changing when the need for braking and changing down simultaneously is important. Firstly when I had down tube shifters and latterly with brifters. My preference being to brake predominantly with the front brake. 2. I am virtually ambidextrous when it comes to using things like tools but I guess I still have slightly finer control with my right hand so that makes modulating the back brake easier when braking hard to avoid a rear lock up. With modern brakes differential hand strength is not an issue. 3. All my bikes now use Shimano brakes and you get a much better cable line from the left lever to the front brake. Graham. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 10:35:03 +1000, James
wrote: On 29/09/14 10:22, John B. Slocomb wrote: But it is all a tempest in a teapot, isn't it. Or is there some mechanical, physical or psychological reason for having a break actuator in any particular place? The bikes that I first rode the brake actuator built into the pedal system - pedal forward and the bike went ahead; pedal backward and it stopped. The "pedal backward and it stopped" for me was more like slowed with a skid until stopped. Well, my first bike my father bought for me. Third or fourth hand, for a couple of dollars because the brake didn't work. My first exposure with mechanics :-). It took a while but I finally got it back together and it worked! -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 10:50:43 +0100, "Graham"
wrote: "John B. Slocomb" wrote in message ... On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 19:33:42 +0100, Phil W Lee wrote: [snip] Or is there some mechanical, physical or psychological reason for having a break actuator in any particular place? Cheers, John B. Living in the UK my first bikes did have the front brake on the right but once I realised the front brake to be the one used most and got round to doing my own setups I changed over to having it on the left. Now all my bikes are set up that way and have been for at least thirty years so my brain is well and truely accustomed to the set up. The main reasons for my preferences a 1. Separating braking from gear changing when the need for braking and changing down simultaneously is important. Firstly when I had down tube shifters and latterly with brifters. My preference being to brake predominantly with the front brake. 2. I am virtually ambidextrous when it comes to using things like tools but I guess I still have slightly finer control with my right hand so that makes modulating the back brake easier when braking hard to avoid a rear lock up. With modern brakes differential hand strength is not an issue. 3. All my bikes now use Shimano brakes and you get a much better cable line from the left lever to the front brake. Graham. All very valid reasons. The first "hand brake" I ever used was on a motorcycle and it was on the right (a British motorcycle :-) and to me, that is has been the proper place for it ever since. -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:21:17 PM UTC-4, Phil W Lee wrote:
John B. Slocomb considered Mon, 29 Sep 2014 18:22:55 +0700 the perfect time to write: On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 10:50:43 +0100, "Graham" wrote: "John B. Slocomb" wrote in message ... On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 19:33:42 +0100, Phil W Lee wrote: [snip] Or is there some mechanical, physical or psychological reason for having a break actuator in any particular place? Cheers, John B. Living in the UK my first bikes did have the front brake on the right but once I realised the front brake to be the one used most and got round to doing my own setups I changed over to having it on the left. Now all my bikes are set up that way and have been for at least thirty years so my brain is well and truely accustomed to the set up. The main reasons for my preferences a 1. Separating braking from gear changing when the need for braking and changing down simultaneously is important. Firstly when I had down tube shifters and latterly with brifters. My preference being to brake predominantly with the front brake. 2. I am virtually ambidextrous when it comes to using things like tools but I guess I still have slightly finer control with my right hand so that makes modulating the back brake easier when braking hard to avoid a rear lock up. With modern brakes differential hand strength is not an issue. 3. All my bikes now use Shimano brakes and you get a much better cable line from the left lever to the front brake. Graham. All very valid reasons. The first "hand brake" I ever used was on a motorcycle and it was on the right (a British motorcycle :-) and to me, that is has been the proper place for it ever since. It wouldn't have made any difference if the motorcycle hadn't been British - right hand front is universal on motorcycles. If the left brake lever to operate the front brake bugs you so much then why just spend the few minutes needed to swap it to the right andf the right rear to the left? You're not going to convince the bicycle industry by posting here that bicycles hould be set up like motorcycles. I think it's much ado about nothing. Cheers |
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"Sir Ridesalot" wrote in message ... On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:21:17 PM UTC-4, Phil W Lee wrote: John B. Slocomb considered Mon, 29 Sep 2014 18:22:55 +0700 the perfect time to write: On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 10:50:43 +0100, "Graham" wrote: "John B. Slocomb" wrote in message ... On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 19:33:42 +0100, Phil W Lee wrote: [snip] Or is there some mechanical, physical or psychological reason for having a break actuator in any particular place? Cheers, John B. Living in the UK my first bikes did have the front brake on the right but once I realised the front brake to be the one used most and got round to doing my own setups I changed over to having it on the left. Now all my bikes are set up that way and have been for at least thirty years so my brain is well and truely accustomed to the set up. The main reasons for my preferences a 1. Separating braking from gear changing when the need for braking and changing down simultaneously is important. Firstly when I had down tube shifters and latterly with brifters. My preference being to brake predominantly with the front brake. 2. I am virtually ambidextrous when it comes to using things like tools but I guess I still have slightly finer control with my right hand so that makes modulating the back brake easier when braking hard to avoid a rear lock up. With modern brakes differential hand strength is not an issue. 3. All my bikes now use Shimano brakes and you get a much better cable line from the left lever to the front brake. Graham. All very valid reasons. The first "hand brake" I ever used was on a motorcycle and it was on the right (a British motorcycle :-) and to me, that is has been the proper place for it ever since. It wouldn't have made any difference if the motorcycle hadn't been British - right hand front is universal on motorcycles. If the left brake lever to operate the front brake bugs you so much then why just spend the few minutes needed to swap it to the right andf the right rear to the left? You're not going to convince the bicycle industry by posting here that bicycles hould be set up like motorcycles. I think it's much ado about nothing. Cheers +1 I set out the reasons for my preference above but others might differ and they are more than welcome to do so. As for motor bikes I have never ridden one and never intend to so to me at least his continued arguemnt is totally irrelavent. Graham. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:27:01 +0100, "Graham"
wrote: "Sir Ridesalot" wrote in message ... On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:21:17 PM UTC-4, Phil W Lee wrote: John B. Slocomb considered Mon, 29 Sep 2014 18:22:55 +0700 the perfect time to write: On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 10:50:43 +0100, "Graham" wrote: "John B. Slocomb" wrote in message ... On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 19:33:42 +0100, Phil W Lee wrote: [snip] Or is there some mechanical, physical or psychological reason for having a break actuator in any particular place? Cheers, John B. Living in the UK my first bikes did have the front brake on the right but once I realised the front brake to be the one used most and got round to doing my own setups I changed over to having it on the left. Now all my bikes are set up that way and have been for at least thirty years so my brain is well and truely accustomed to the set up. The main reasons for my preferences a 1. Separating braking from gear changing when the need for braking and changing down simultaneously is important. Firstly when I had down tube shifters and latterly with brifters. My preference being to brake predominantly with the front brake. 2. I am virtually ambidextrous when it comes to using things like tools but I guess I still have slightly finer control with my right hand so that makes modulating the back brake easier when braking hard to avoid a rear lock up. With modern brakes differential hand strength is not an issue. 3. All my bikes now use Shimano brakes and you get a much better cable line from the left lever to the front brake. Graham. All very valid reasons. The first "hand brake" I ever used was on a motorcycle and it was on the right (a British motorcycle :-) and to me, that is has been the proper place for it ever since. It wouldn't have made any difference if the motorcycle hadn't been British - right hand front is universal on motorcycles. If the left brake lever to operate the front brake bugs you so much then why just spend the few minutes needed to swap it to the right andf the right rear to the left? You're not going to convince the bicycle industry by posting here that bicycles hould be set up like motorcycles. I think it's much ado about nothing. Cheers +1 I set out the reasons for my preference above but others might differ and they are more than welcome to do so. As for motor bikes I have never ridden one and never intend to so to me at least his continued arguemnt is totally irrelavent. Graham. I think that is the whole point. "My preference" -- Cheers, John B. |
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