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Los Altos Hills bicyclist killed in big-rig crash was a mother,nurse and a 'go-getter'
My letter to the editor was printed in today's Daily Post. They over-
edited it, but I'll take it as a compliment. Here is the original I sent to them: "Subject: Bicyclists Hit "I favor standard yellow caution signs with a sketch of a bicycle. I am surprised that Stanford doesn't have any and there aren't any strategically placed along the common bike routes in the foothills. We should thank the Daily Post for exposing the high salaries which present a contradiction to this type of obvious approach to a recurring problem. I wish people would give me a lot of money for this letter to the editor." (signature) The newspaper did a good job printing the caution sign in color. Daniel Myers Palo Alto, CA Previous thread: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...rs+at+Stanford OP: http://www.mercurynews.com/san-mateo-county/ci_16536705 |
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Los Altos Hills bicyclist killed in big-rig crash was a mother,nurse and a 'go-getter'
Here's an article that says the CHP determined the bicyclist was at
fault, not the truck driver. http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_16910167?source=most_viewed jc (follow-ups set to ba.bicycles) |
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Los Altos Hills bicyclist killed in big-rig crash was a mother,nurse and a 'go-getter'
JC Dill wrote:
Here's an article that says the CHP determined the bicyclist was at fault, not the truck driver. http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_16910167?source=most_viewed The truck driver has killed people three times with his truck, and he still gets to keep doing his job? In what other field of work (besides so-called "policing") would that possibly be permitted? Even if that's just dumb luck, the guy should be taken off the road in the name of public safety. Chalo |
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Los Altos Hills bicyclist killed in big-rig crash was a mother,
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Chalo says... JC Dill wrote: Here's an article that says the CHP determined the bicyclist was at fault, not the truck driver. http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_16910167?source=most_viewed The truck driver has killed people three times with his truck, and he still gets to keep doing his job? In what other field of work (besides so-called "policing") would that possibly be permitted? Even if that's just dumb luck, the guy should be taken off the road in the name of public safety. Chalo The truck driver didn't kill anyone. The three people who died killed "themselves" because they were careless and stupid...not a very nice thing to say, but very true. I rode by the accident that happened in Santa Cruz just moments after it occured. It was not a pretty sight. Yeah, the circumstances are a bit creepy, but again, the truck driver was not at fault. |
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Los Altos Hills bicyclist killed in big-rig crash was a mother,
On 12/22/2010 9:47 AM, Peter Cole wrote:
On 12/22/2010 3:32 AM, wrote: In , Chalo says... JC Dill wrote: Here's an article that says the CHP determined the bicyclist was at fault, not the truck driver. http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_16910167?source=most_viewed The truck driver has killed people three times with his truck, and he still gets to keep doing his job? In what other field of work (besides so-called "policing") would that possibly be permitted? Even if that's just dumb luck, the guy should be taken off the road in the name of public safety. Chalo The truck driver didn't kill anyone. The three people who died killed "themselves" because they were careless and stupid...not a very nice thing to say, but very true. I rode by the accident that happened in Santa Cruz just moments after it occured. It was not a pretty sight. Yeah, the circumstances are a bit creepy, but again, the truck driver was not at fault. And you know this how? This guy struck and killed 2 cyclists in 3 years. The first victim's parents sued and won $1.5M in a wrongful death. There were no witnesses to the second fatality, so it's the driver's word -- a frequent case in bike fatalities. http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ci_...e=most_emailed Guy should not be behind a lethal weapon like that. If you killed people as a part of your daily job, would you need someone to tell you to find another one? Anyway, the initial report doesn't make a lot of sense. She was to the left of the truck. Was he passing her on the right? It's hard to imagine why she cut in front from the left. Was there traffic in the left lane? Anyone know what this road looks like? |
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Los Altos Hills bicyclist killed in big-rig crash was a mother,
On Dec 22, 6:47*am, Peter Cole wrote:
On 12/22/2010 3:32 AM, wrote: In , Chalo says... JC Dill wrote: Here's an article that says the CHP determined the bicyclist was at fault, not the truck driver. http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_16910167?source=most_viewed The truck driver has killed people three times with his truck, and he still gets to keep doing his job? *In what other field of work (besides so-called "policing") would that possibly be permitted? *Even if that's just dumb luck, the guy should be taken off the road in the name of public safety. Chalo The truck driver didn't kill anyone. The three people who died killed "themselves" because they were careless and stupid...not a very nice thing to say, but very true. *I rode by the accident that happened in Santa Cruz just moments after it occured. It was not a pretty sight. Yeah, the circumstances are a bit creepy, but again, the truck driver was not at fault. And you know this how? This guy struck and killed 2 cyclists in 3 years. The first victim's parents sued and won $1.5M in a wrongful death. There were no witnesses to the second fatality, so it's the driver's word -- a frequent case in bike fatalities. http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ci_...=most_emailed- Hide quoted text - They settled for $1.5 million -- there was no trial or determination of fault. People settle for all sorts of reasons. Anyway, I'm not even understanding what happened exactly. This woman was "lane sharing" -- riding on the left of a giant truck in the same lane? Frank . . . Frank . . . shouldn't she have been controling traffic? Really, the truck was only going 15mph. That is a situation where I would have gotten out front so I could move around in traffic. It sounds like she anticipated that the truck would turn right and that she would go with it, but it didn't? Again, I'm not getting what happened. I don't know who was at fault, but personally, the last thing I want to do is ride abreast with a giant truck. -- Jay Beattie. |
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Los Altos Hills bicyclist killed in big-rig crash was a mother,
On 12/22/2010 10:33 AM, Jay Beattie wrote:
On Dec 22, 6:47 am, Peter wrote: On 12/22/2010 3:32 AM, wrote: In , Chalo says... JC Dill wrote: Here's an article that says the CHP determined the bicyclist was at fault, not the truck driver. http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_16910167?source=most_viewed The truck driver has killed people three times with his truck, and he still gets to keep doing his job? In what other field of work (besides so-called "policing") would that possibly be permitted? Even if that's just dumb luck, the guy should be taken off the road in the name of public safety. Chalo The truck driver didn't kill anyone. The three people who died killed "themselves" because they were careless and stupid...not a very nice thing to say, but very true. I rode by the accident that happened in Santa Cruz just moments after it occured. It was not a pretty sight. Yeah, the circumstances are a bit creepy, but again, the truck driver was not at fault. And you know this how? This guy struck and killed 2 cyclists in 3 years. The first victim's parents sued and won $1.5M in a wrongful death. There were no witnesses to the second fatality, so it's the driver's word -- a frequent case in bike fatalities. http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ci_...=most_emailed- Hide quoted text - They settled for $1.5 million -- there was no trial or determination of fault. People settle for all sorts of reasons. Anyway, I'm not even understanding what happened exactly. This woman was "lane sharing" -- riding on the left of a giant truck in the same lane? Frank . . . Frank . . . shouldn't she have been controling traffic? Really, the truck was only going 15mph. That is a situation where I would have gotten out front so I could move around in traffic. It sounds like she anticipated that the truck would turn right and that she would go with it, but it didn't? Again, I'm not getting what happened. I don't know who was at fault, but personally, the last thing I want to do is ride abreast with a giant truck. -- Jay Beattie. Yeah it sounds like she was turning "with" the truck and maybe he went left to make the right turn. I got pinched between a car and a truck once like that. Taught me not to split lanes at traffic lights. Actually, same thing happened at a stop last month when I was in the center of the right lane and the truck was in the left. Both at a stop sign. When he took off he came into my lane to make his left. Got out of my cleats pretty quickly... But if she was to his left, how did he not see her? As for not riding abreast of giant trucks, I agree except that riding in front of them isn't much more fun. |
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Los Altos Hills bicyclist killed in big-rig crash was a mother,
On 12/22/2010 10:33 AM, Jay Beattie wrote:
On Dec 22, 6:47 am, Peter wrote: On 12/22/2010 3:32 AM, wrote: In , Chalo says... JC Dill wrote: Here's an article that says the CHP determined the bicyclist was at fault, not the truck driver. http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_16910167?source=most_viewed The truck driver has killed people three times with his truck, and he still gets to keep doing his job? In what other field of work (besides so-called "policing") would that possibly be permitted? Even if that's just dumb luck, the guy should be taken off the road in the name of public safety. Chalo The truck driver didn't kill anyone. The three people who died killed "themselves" because they were careless and stupid...not a very nice thing to say, but very true. I rode by the accident that happened in Santa Cruz just moments after it occured. It was not a pretty sight. Yeah, the circumstances are a bit creepy, but again, the truck driver was not at fault. And you know this how? This guy struck and killed 2 cyclists in 3 years. The first victim's parents sued and won $1.5M in a wrongful death. There were no witnesses to the second fatality, so it's the driver's word -- a frequent case in bike fatalities. http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ci_...=most_emailed- Hide quoted text - They settled for $1.5 million -- there was no trial or determination of fault. People settle for all sorts of reasons. Yeah, I know that. It was (first cyclist) apparently a right hook incident. That doesn't establish anything either except that such incidents are usually found to be no fault (or cyclist fault) by the cops. Anyway, I'm not even understanding what happened exactly. This woman was "lane sharing" -- riding on the left of a giant truck in the same lane? Frank . . . Frank . . . shouldn't she have been controling traffic? Really, the truck was only going 15mph. That is a situation where I would have gotten out front so I could move around in traffic. It sounds like she anticipated that the truck would turn right and that she would go with it, but it didn't? Again, I'm not getting what happened. I don't know who was at fault, but personally, the last thing I want to do is ride abreast with a giant truck. -- Jay Beattie. The description didn't make sense to me, either. Apparently there are no witnesses, so it comes down to the driver's story. Given his driving record, you'd think there would be a careful forensic investigation, but bike fatalities don't seem to get the CSI treatment, not even in Portland, much less elsewhere. |
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Los Altos Hills bicyclist killed in big-rig crash was a mother,
On 12/22/2010 10:52 AM, Phil W Lee wrote:
considered 22 Dec 2010 00:32:00 -0800 the perfect time to write: In , Chalo says... JC Dill wrote: Here's an article that says the CHP determined the bicyclist was at fault, not the truck driver. http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_16910167?source=most_viewed The truck driver has killed people three times with his truck, and he still gets to keep doing his job? In what other field of work (besides so-called "policing") would that possibly be permitted? Even if that's just dumb luck, the guy should be taken off the road in the name of public safety. Chalo The truck driver didn't kill anyone. The three people who died killed "themselves" because they were careless and stupid...not a very nice thing to say, but very true. I rode by the accident that happened in Santa Cruz just moments after it occured. It was not a pretty sight. Yeah, the circumstances are a bit creepy, but again, the truck driver was not at fault. Having been a professional driver of big rigs, I can only say that the truckers statement (and it's the only one we have, as he managed to kill the only witness to his driving) is simply not credible. And his past record leads me to suspect that this represents his normal standard of driving. I notice that last time he killed someone he (or rather his insurers) had to pay his victim's family $1,500,000 compensation, so the lack of sufficient evidence for a prosecution clearly doesn't indicate any lack of blame. He would have had to swing left before making a right turn, to avoid the trailer wheels cutting across the side of the road, and it was almost certainly this left swing which knocked his victim off. Making the left swing without a mirror check on that side is reckless - you can expect other traffic to be trying to pass on the left as you indicate a turn to the right, and should be ensuring that any swing is into gaps in traffic, not into the traffic itself. And if the CHP don't know the geometry of how a big rig goes around corners, they are unfit to investigate anything to do with them. I wonder how they will excuse their allowing him to carry on driving to his next victim's family? This seems like what happened but they say that she fell when trying to turn "in front" of the truck. If he did what you said, and I bet that he did, then that means that he didn't even look to his left. Something doesn't sound right. If there were no witnesses coming forward, this is only the driver's version of what happened. I just can't imagine turning from the left across the front of a moving 18 wheeler. And then she supposedly fell in front of him when he was going straight and hit her. But he was turning. |
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