Government Bicycle Program News

On 6/27/2020 9:39 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 5:06:17 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/27/2020 7:10 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 1:55:48 PM UTC-7, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:

When I cycle to the nearby bathing lake, I wear something different than
when I drive a few broken roof tiles to the garbage dump and again
something else when I ride to the opera on the utility bike. On sunny
summer days, I see young girls in airy summer dresses driving by on
their bikes. From time to time, a teenager rides here for sports, in a
judo suit, by bicycle. Same with football clothing.

We wear tweed. http://tweedpdx.net/ Or nothing at all.

If I rode to the opera in a suit, I'd have to do 500 feet of climbing to get home -- in a suit. Just riding a few miles in my work clothes to run errands at lunch or go to the doctor, I get back to the office, and I'm a sweaty wreck or rain soaked. I had one job where I rode to work in my nice slacks, and I wore holes in them. Waste of good slacks. I wear normal clothes to run over to the store, assuming I don't walk or drive. But anything more than three or four miles, I wear cycling clothes.

That's fine. I've done 20 miles in ordinary clothes many times, but I'll
usually use bike shorts, at least, if it's longer than 10 miles.
The bike you made fun of ("looks like a dumpster find") by looking at a
photo taken in autumn 2007 didn't have a hub generator then, because
head- and taillight where driven by a lead/acid battery, so the bottle
dynamo just served as a somewhat unreliable backup.
...

Wow, you were really hurt. I'm sorry. If somebody told me my commuter looked like POS. I'd just go "meh" and not be emotionally upset.

But why say such a thing in the first place? And how ironic that you did
that, while claiming I'm the elitist or intolerant one.

On one hand, not all cyclists are equally competent, or dedicated, or
safe, or skilled, or fast, or stylish, or practical, or young or
whatever. We should be able to discuss those differences.

But we shouldn't feel a need to insult people for those differences.


WTF? This is a bicycle tech group. If somebody posts a picture of bike in obvious need of TLC, this is exactly the place where it will draw a comment.

There's no tech in "that thing looks like a dumpster find," just as
there's no tech in mocking the use of a bike bag.

Who knew Wolfgang was so attached to the thing.
You mean "Who knew someone who spends time on a bike discussion group
would be fond of their bike"? Sheesh.

And even if he weren't, what's the point of insulting it or him?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 9:16:36 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/27/2020 11:06 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 12:56:20 AM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:

Frank ever asked yourself why you provoke this kind of posts again and again?
From another thread:

'I hadn't noticed that not far behind him was one of our village cops!
I'm sure he saw the whole thing, and I'm sure it enhanced my reputation
for competence.'

Geezz....

What part do you object to? Like it or not, I have a reputation for
competence. Village cops know me. Many village and city residents know
of me. I've been the subject of several articles and interviews in local
media. I've served on quite a few relevant committees, taught classes,
written articles, etc.

Does all that offend you?

--
- Frank Krygowski

And then the town drunk slurred, "I'm ****in' IMPORTANT. Every barman in the village greets me by name!"

AJ

On 6/28/2020 10:00 AM, sms wrote:
On 6/27/2020 11:12 PM, John B. wrote:

snip

Take a look
Complete with an approval sticker they are really expensive...
https://tinyurl.com/y92vrq7q
All of US$ 1.29 or A$1.87

Yes, that's the wholesale price from China, without shipping. But in the
U.S., a child's helmet is $15-20 at a store like Walmart, probably
$25-40 at a bicycle shop. But there are frequent helmet giveaways as
well and lack of money is not a reason to go without a helmet, at least
for children.

Bull****. I live near a city with about 14,000 kids in its population.
The poverty rate is very high; nearly half of them are below poverty
level. But helmet giveaways typically involve a hundred helmets at a time.

More important, if you really want to improve the lives of those kids, a
bike helmet may be the _least_ effective way of spending money.

For adults, the last MIPs https://mipsprotection.com/ helmet I bought
was on sale for $25, normally $40, but you can spend less for a non-MIPS
helmet. Of course you can also spend a lot more.

In my area the cyclists without helmets are the following three groups:
1) elderly grandparents from China
2) day workers
3) Apple employees riding the company bicycles between buildings or out
to lunch (not lately of course).

You left out "People who adequately researched the issue and understand
math."


--
- Frank Krygowski

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 9:03:23 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/27/2020 11:07 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
[Frank] tries to pretend that he doesn't read me because he's so superior, but it's pretty obvious the reason he's hiding from me

And there Franki-boy Krygowski, Mr Shavelegs himself, cut the rest of my post because he can't bear the truth, that the minute someone (me) brings along impeccable numbers and professional statistical skills, Frank Krygowski looks like what he is: an incompetent old man with a bee in his bonnet no one wants to know about, among other reasons because he's personally objectionable and has been caught out lying far to often to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Here, Franki-boy, let me translate the rest of your post for everyone:

Bull****, Jute. I skim almost every post you make, just as I do with others.

I, Frank Krygowski, the Great, read every post of Jute's obsessively closely in an attempt to find even the tiniest crack in his logic into which I can hammer a semantic wedge.

I don't bother to read yours in detail because you are an
obnoxious ass, and I almost never respond because you are a troll.

I, the Great Frank Krygoski, have lied for years that i don't read your posts because I'm so superior, and I never respond because every time I do you make me look foolish because of my commitment to community work and my very understandable lack of statistical correctness.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...hs-and-sadists

An now I'll throw some cod psychology, something else I have not the faintest grasp of, into your face , descending into childish name -calling.

--
- Frank Krygowski
The self-proclaimed Great village bicycle instructor and general dunce

Andre Jute
Linguist -- oh, and motivational psychologist. See how my puppet Franki-boy jerks on the chain?

On 6/28/2020 10:11 AM, sms wrote:
On 6/27/2020 9:44 PM, news18 wrote:

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First point is that over here, the biggest market for bicycles are kids
bicycles and adding the price of a compulsory helmet to the purchase on
the bicycle can start at an extra 25% cost on purchase. It has a big
impact for some families on weather kids get bicycles or not.


I suppose if you're buying a $60 kids bike at Walmart, $15 is an extra 25%.

Not sure what country you are in, but in the United States it's not like
that at all. Helmets for children are $15-20, but also available free
from a number of organization (i.e.
https://sfbike.org/event/sf-bicycle-coalition-and-thinkfirst-helmet-giveaway/.

"This event has ended."


"6 Ways to Get Bike Helmets TOTALLY Free"
https://thekrazycouponlady.com/tips/family/free-bike-helmets

That's mostly a list of "Try asking here" or "Try finding this program."
It's hardly a guarantee.

You could better make your point by telling us the number of helmets
given away by those programs, and compare them to the number of kids
subject to helmet laws. Then work out the percentages.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 9:16:36 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:

I've been the subject of several articles and interviews in local
media.
--
- Frank Krygowski

Hmmm, Franki-boy, didn't those journalists refer to you as a nasty "scold"?

That's hardly positive publicity for cycling when the self-proclaimed Great Cyclist of the village is called a nasty "scold" in the articles he brags about.

Andre Jute
Frank Krygowski is a wretched bully who claws at people until they react, and then tries to label them psychopaths and sadists.

On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 12:15:31 AM UTC+1, Sir Ridesalot wrote:

I ride what I like, when I like and wear what I like when I like and use the bike for my purposes. I don't care what Frank or others think. I often think a few of them are armchair bicyclists who contrary to their postings, actually ride very little or do so only in very low traffic areas.

Cheers

Ever even seen a photograph of Franki-boy's bikes? Maybe Mr Mayor Scarfe can tell us what his camera-drone saw when he sent it to call on Franki-boy. See any bikes, Scharfie? -- AJ

On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 7:34:07 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/27/2020 8:22 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 19:53:11 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/27/2020 6:53 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 16:16:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:


What part do you object to? Like it or not, I have a reputation for
competence. Village cops know me. Many village and city residents know
of me. I've been the subject of several articles and interviews in local
media. I've served on quite a few relevant committees, taught classes,
written articles, etc.

Does all that offend you?


Oh My God! We hadn't been advised that you were such a famous person.

Sorry if it bothers you, John. But after decades of work on local bike
issues, I'm well known in the area. I'm fairly well known at the state
level as well.


As I said, "We hadn't been advised that you were such a famous person"

Don't re-phrase. I never said I was "famous." I'm well known in this
area regarding bicycle issues, especially among village, city and county
officials and others in authority.


FWIW, Jay is also pretty well known, but IIRC it's for significant
bicycle legal work he did decades ago. I don't know if he's been active
in these issues since.

How interesting, though, that "no good deed goes unpunished." Even by
fellow cyclists.

"Look Ma! I'm Wonderful!"
Good deed? Or self glorification?

There's no self-glorification in the work I do. My name didn't get
broadcast when discriminatory laws were repealed, when traffic lights
detected waiting bicyclists, when bike maps were published, etc.

Discriminatory laws? Like blacks had to ride at the back of a tandem? https://tinyurl.com/y8dufamu Stay strong my brother. Fight the UVC oppression.

BTW, does anyone use bicycle maps? I want a show of hands. PBOT has a map: https://pdx.maps.arcgis.com/apps/web...4d83c4a084d9a6 Too many colors!

In '75-76, I mailed away for bike route maps to California, Oregon and Washington DOTs for a trip to Canada, and I got these nice little books in the mail, which I still have! They basically said "take highway 1/101."

-- Jay Beattie.

On 6/28/2020 1:19 AM, Ralph Barone wrote:
John B. wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 04:44:42 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 16:02:47 +0700, John B. wrote:



Rationalize it any way that you want to but my guess is that if the
state were to promulgate a helmet law, and enforce it, that the numbers
of bicyclists would remain about the same.

Or are you telling us that if you were forced to wear a helmet you would
give up bicycles?

Err, John, your head is in the clouds and you are looking at the area of
smallest impact.

First point is that over here, the biggest market for bicycles are kids
bicycles and adding the price of a compulsory helmet to the purchase on
the bicycle can start at an extra 25% cost on purchase. It has a big
impact for some families on weather kids get bicycles or not.

The actual cost of a bicycle helmet is in the very low dollar range. I
see them every time I go to Lotus-Tesco or any of the large stores
here. And no, they don't have an approval sticker inside from some
approval agency or another but they are indicative of the actual cost
of making a Styrofoam Bennie.

Take a look
Complete with an approval sticker they are really expensive...
https://tinyurl.com/y92vrq7q
All of US$ 1.29 or A$1.87
--
cheers,

John B.



That’s a great deal if you have 100 kids.


An interesting project but at my age probably not happening.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 6/28/2020 11:19 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 7:34:07 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:

There's no self-glorification in the work I do. My name didn't get
broadcast when discriminatory laws were repealed, when traffic lights
detected waiting bicyclists, when bike maps were published, etc.

Discriminatory laws? Like blacks had to ride at the back of a tandem?

I was surprised to find out that my village, like some others in Ohio,
had laws saying that a bicyclist must ride on a sidewalk if available;
that a bicyclist must walk the bike across any intersection with a
"through street," whatever that is; that no bicycle could be parked for
any amount of time at all without being locked, etc.

Those provisions and more were all in violation of Ohio law, but were on
the books until I got them removed about five years ago.

BTW, does anyone use bicycle maps?

I mentioned our ride the other day, through suburbs to a distant bike
shop. Getting through the tangle of suburban streets, I used a map. You
don't have to if you don't want to.

In '75-76, I mailed away for bike route maps to California, Oregon and Washington DOTs for a trip to Canada, and I got these nice little books in the mail, which I still have! They basically said "take highway 1/101."

Out west, I've ridden in vast areas where there was precisely one choice
of road. Not here. As I've said before, this area of Ohio was one of the
earliest settled by newly minted American citizens. Their small farms
needed roads for access. So here, we have a dense network of rural
roads, many of which are still very pleasant for cycling.

Closer in to the cities, there are the large suburbs built in the 1950s
through 1970s. They all feature streets whose maps look like plates of
spaghetti, boxed in by high traffic roads. The suburban streets can be
useful, but you'd get lost without some guidance.

Yes, I could get a Garmin or a clone, have it talk me through turns,
record my distance, speed, cadence and blood oxygen level and post them
to some website. So can you. I choose not to.

--
- Frank Krygowski