Sometime Back I Warned about Absentee Ballots as the Bane of Democracy...

On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 10:14:01 AM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 8:49:12 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 8:17:01 AM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:

Oddly, Oregon has been a vote by mail state for 20 years, and the fraud rate has been determined by impartial, non-Fox news infotainment commentators at 0.0000006%. https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/10/1...eedingly-rare/

Perhaps Oregon is perfectly far left but most of the people I know that live there are not. Your claims supported by a Lame Stream Media article are hardly convincing.
Lame Stream Media? You mean the Oregon Secretary of State, Oregon Department of Justice and the non-partisan Oregon Legislative Fiscal Office? Okey-dokey. You hang in there with the infotainment experts at Fox news and the Trump office of disinformation -- and your imagination. All reliable sources, if you're an idiot.

No Jay, While I have no argument with the Oregon government that allowed Portland to be taken over by anarchists, the election has been called by CNN and MSDNC even while we have 234 pages of signed affidavits claiming massive election fraud and before the votes were counted even in supposedly close states.

On 11/12/2020 6:32 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 17:44:38 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/12/2020 1:34 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:

I spent quite a lot of time before this elections to get informed what was/is going on in the USA and what the outcome of the elections could be and I tried to keep an open mind (not just FOX news) The last elections were already close and a lot of traditional Democrats choose for Trump because they didn't like Mrs Clinton (I can understand that). What if a part of those Democrats regretted their choice 4 years ago because Trump behaved like he did and returned back to the Democrats this elections? Would it not be possible that this time the coin could fall to the other side? It was still close.

About not liking Mrs. Clinton: Personal preferences vary greatly, but I
find it amazing that people would prefer Trump's personality over H.
Clinton's. As I may have mentioned before, I have two friends who work
for the State Department, both very intelligent people. They observed
Clinton for many years as part of their jobs. They said she was _always_
the smartest person in the room, and they personally got along fine with
her - no complaints.

But that's the previous election. About Democrats regretting their
previous Trump choice: Trump nearly won our traditionally Democratic
county in 2016 by coming here and saying about the closed plants, "Those
[manufacturing] jobs have left Ohio." [but] "They’re all coming back.
They’re all coming back. Don’t move. Don’t sell your house."

Well. The unemployment rate fell very slightly over Trump's term, but
the big plants certainly did not come back. Then the Lordstown GM plant
closed, laying off over 1500 people. And of course, enemployment surged
under COVID. Those jobs did NOT come back. Promises were certainly not
kept, and the area is certainly worse off than in 2016.

But Trump won the county this year. Go figure.

But didn't Mrs. Clinton win the "popular vote" I think I remember that
Trump won only on the Electoral Collage vote, which is of course how
the system works, but that "the people" clearly preferred Mrs.
Clinton.

If they ever finish counting votes it will be interesting to see how
the election came out this time.



The Georigia recount is mandatory, by statute, not requested.

Sworn affidavits are signed on pain of perjury:

https://pjmedia.com/election/megan-f...dence-n1134171

We'll see. IMHO Trump won Wisconsin until Mr Barrett piled
in his own tranche of 'special' ballots late in the night.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 5:07:19 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/12/2020 6:32 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 17:44:38 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/12/2020 1:34 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:

I spent quite a lot of time before this elections to get informed what was/is going on in the USA and what the outcome of the elections could be and I tried to keep an open mind (not just FOX news) The last elections were already close and a lot of traditional Democrats choose for Trump because they didn't like Mrs Clinton (I can understand that). What if a part of those Democrats regretted their choice 4 years ago because Trump behaved like he did and returned back to the Democrats this elections? Would it not be possible that this time the coin could fall to the other side? It was still close.

About not liking Mrs. Clinton: Personal preferences vary greatly, but I
find it amazing that people would prefer Trump's personality over H.
Clinton's. As I may have mentioned before, I have two friends who work
for the State Department, both very intelligent people. They observed
Clinton for many years as part of their jobs. They said she was _always_
the smartest person in the room, and they personally got along fine with
her - no complaints.

But that's the previous election. About Democrats regretting their
previous Trump choice: Trump nearly won our traditionally Democratic
county in 2016 by coming here and saying about the closed plants, "Those
[manufacturing] jobs have left Ohio." [but] "They’re all coming back.
They’re all coming back. Don’t move. Don’t sell your house."

Well. The unemployment rate fell very slightly over Trump's term, but
the big plants certainly did not come back. Then the Lordstown GM plant
closed, laying off over 1500 people. And of course, enemployment surged
under COVID. Those jobs did NOT come back. Promises were certainly not
kept, and the area is certainly worse off than in 2016.

But Trump won the county this year. Go figure.

But didn't Mrs. Clinton win the "popular vote" I think I remember that
Trump won only on the Electoral Collage vote, which is of course how
the system works, but that "the people" clearly preferred Mrs.
Clinton.

If they ever finish counting votes it will be interesting to see how
the election came out this time.

The Georigia recount is mandatory, by statute, not requested.

Sworn affidavits are signed on pain of perjury:

https://pjmedia.com/election/megan-f...dence-n1134171

We'll see. IMHO Trump won Wisconsin until Mr Barrett piled
in his own tranche of 'special' ballots late in the night.

First, why is it that conservatives believe that ever affidavit or declaration signed by a liberal is "fraud," while every conservative affidavit or declaration is per se true and unimpeachable? Conservatives have a very flexible approach to the credibility of sworn testimony.

Second, I can't tell you how many times I've seen sworn affidavits saying "I heard a guy who knew someone who said this thing about [fill in the blank]." Sworn hearsay crap. People can swear to useless information and do so all the time.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:39:30 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 10:14:01 AM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 8:49:12 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 8:17:01 AM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:

Oddly, Oregon has been a vote by mail state for 20 years, and the fraud rate has been determined by impartial, non-Fox news infotainment commentators at 0.0000006%. https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/10/1...eedingly-rare/

Perhaps Oregon is perfectly far left but most of the people I know that live there are not. Your claims supported by a Lame Stream Media article are hardly convincing.
Lame Stream Media? You mean the Oregon Secretary of State, Oregon Department of Justice and the non-partisan Oregon Legislative Fiscal Office? Okey-dokey. You hang in there with the infotainment experts at Fox news and the Trump office of disinformation -- and your imagination. All reliable sources, if you're an idiot.
No Jay, While I have no argument with the Oregon government that allowed Portland to be taken over by anarchists, the election has been called by CNN and MSDNC even while we have 234 pages of signed affidavits claiming massive election fraud and before the votes were counted even in supposedly close states.

Sure, your 234 pages of useless affidavits and $4 will get you a double tall non-fat latte. On its worst day, Portland is infinitely nicer than your ********.

-- Jay Beattie.

Op vrijdag 13 november 2020 om 02:07:19 UTC+1 schreef AMuzi:
On 11/12/2020 6:32 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 17:44:38 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/12/2020 1:34 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:

I spent quite a lot of time before this elections to get informed what was/is going on in the USA and what the outcome of the elections could be and I tried to keep an open mind (not just FOX news) The last elections were already close and a lot of traditional Democrats choose for Trump because they didn't like Mrs Clinton (I can understand that). What if a part of those Democrats regretted their choice 4 years ago because Trump behaved like he did and returned back to the Democrats this elections? Would it not be possible that this time the coin could fall to the other side? It was still close.

About not liking Mrs. Clinton: Personal preferences vary greatly, but I
find it amazing that people would prefer Trump's personality over H.
Clinton's. As I may have mentioned before, I have two friends who work
for the State Department, both very intelligent people. They observed
Clinton for many years as part of their jobs. They said she was _always_
the smartest person in the room, and they personally got along fine with
her - no complaints.

But that's the previous election. About Democrats regretting their
previous Trump choice: Trump nearly won our traditionally Democratic
county in 2016 by coming here and saying about the closed plants, "Those
[manufacturing] jobs have left Ohio." [but] "They’re all coming back.
They’re all coming back. Don’t move. Don’t sell your house."

Well. The unemployment rate fell very slightly over Trump's term, but
the big plants certainly did not come back. Then the Lordstown GM plant
closed, laying off over 1500 people. And of course, enemployment surged
under COVID. Those jobs did NOT come back. Promises were certainly not
kept, and the area is certainly worse off than in 2016.

But Trump won the county this year. Go figure.

But didn't Mrs. Clinton win the "popular vote" I think I remember that
Trump won only on the Electoral Collage vote, which is of course how
the system works, but that "the people" clearly preferred Mrs.
Clinton.

If they ever finish counting votes it will be interesting to see how
the election came out this time.

The Georigia recount is mandatory, by statute, not requested.

Sworn affidavits are signed on pain of perjury:

https://pjmedia.com/election/megan-f...dence-n1134171

We'll see. IMHO Trump won Wisconsin until Mr Barrett piled
in his own tranche of 'special' ballots late in the night.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


In your honest opinion?

Lou

On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 19:07:03 -0600, AMuzi wrote:


We'll see. IMHO Trump won Wisconsin until Mr Barrett piled in his own
tranche of 'special' ballots late in the night.

Are you seekingto prove tommy is intelligent?
Please explain that.
AFAIK, no one has voted after pols closed.
All that has happened, as it always does is that vote counting has
continued to take place until all votes are counted.
In the decades of watching the count come it, it is common, in close
seats, for the person with the greatest number of votes to vary over the
days/days. It sn't over to tall the votes are counted.

Further, it is typical for various voting booths to favour certain party
candidates, at each election, s if the ovtes for that booth are not
counted first, then a boost will go to one or other candidates.

On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 7:59:56 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 5:07:19 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/12/2020 6:32 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 17:44:38 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/12/2020 1:34 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:

I spent quite a lot of time before this elections to get informed what was/is going on in the USA and what the outcome of the elections could be and I tried to keep an open mind (not just FOX news) The last elections were already close and a lot of traditional Democrats choose for Trump because they didn't like Mrs Clinton (I can understand that). What if a part of those Democrats regretted their choice 4 years ago because Trump behaved like he did and returned back to the Democrats this elections? Would it not be possible that this time the coin could fall to the other side? It was still close.

About not liking Mrs. Clinton: Personal preferences vary greatly, but I
find it amazing that people would prefer Trump's personality over H.
Clinton's. As I may have mentioned before, I have two friends who work
for the State Department, both very intelligent people. They observed
Clinton for many years as part of their jobs. They said she was _always_
the smartest person in the room, and they personally got along fine with
her - no complaints.

But that's the previous election. About Democrats regretting their
previous Trump choice: Trump nearly won our traditionally Democratic
county in 2016 by coming here and saying about the closed plants, "Those
[manufacturing] jobs have left Ohio." [but] "They’re all coming back.
They’re all coming back. Don’t move. Don’t sell your house."

Well. The unemployment rate fell very slightly over Trump's term, but
the big plants certainly did not come back. Then the Lordstown GM plant
closed, laying off over 1500 people. And of course, enemployment surged
under COVID. Those jobs did NOT come back. Promises were certainly not
kept, and the area is certainly worse off than in 2016.

But Trump won the county this year. Go figure.

But didn't Mrs. Clinton win the "popular vote" I think I remember that
Trump won only on the Electoral Collage vote, which is of course how
the system works, but that "the people" clearly preferred Mrs.
Clinton.

If they ever finish counting votes it will be interesting to see how
the election came out this time.

The Georigia recount is mandatory, by statute, not requested.

Sworn affidavits are signed on pain of perjury:

https://pjmedia.com/election/megan-f...dence-n1134171

We'll see. IMHO Trump won Wisconsin until Mr Barrett piled
in his own tranche of 'special' ballots late in the night.
First, why is it that conservatives believe that ever affidavit or declaration signed by a liberal is "fraud," while every conservative affidavit or declaration is per se true and unimpeachable? Conservatives have a very flexible approach to the credibility of sworn testimony.

Second, I can't tell you how many times I've seen sworn affidavits saying "I heard a guy who knew someone who said this thing about [fill in the blank]." Sworn hearsay crap. People can swear to useless information and do so all the time.

-- Jay Beattie.
Tell us Jay, are you looking forward to anarchists controlling this country, like Portland? Are you looking forward to wars and more wars from the pockets of Americans being waged so that a few officers can make promotions? You are a very odd duck who has seen what is happening and cannot interpret this as being entirely on the orders of the Chinese Communist Party. This is your future so I hope you like it.

On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 11:44:57 PM UTC-8, news18 wrote:
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 19:07:03 -0600, AMuzi wrote:


We'll see. IMHO Trump won Wisconsin until Mr Barrett piled in his own
tranche of 'special' ballots late in the night.
Are you seekingto prove tommy is intelligent?
Please explain that.
AFAIK, no one has voted after pols closed.
All that has happened, as it always does is that vote counting has
continued to take place until all votes are counted.
In the decades of watching the count come it, it is common, in close
seats, for the person with the greatest number of votes to vary over the
days/days. It sn't over to tall the votes are counted.

Further, it is typical for various voting booths to favour certain party
candidates, at each election, s if the ovtes for that booth are not
counted first, then a boost will go to one or other candidates.
Tell us all you moron - what DO you know about American elections? You don't even see what is coming in Australia.

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 7:35:35 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 7:59:56 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 5:07:19 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/12/2020 6:32 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 17:44:38 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/12/2020 1:34 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:

I spent quite a lot of time before this elections to get informed what was/is going on in the USA and what the outcome of the elections could be and I tried to keep an open mind (not just FOX news) The last elections were already close and a lot of traditional Democrats choose for Trump because they didn't like Mrs Clinton (I can understand that). What if a part of those Democrats regretted their choice 4 years ago because Trump behaved like he did and returned back to the Democrats this elections? Would it not be possible that this time the coin could fall to the other side? It was still close.

About not liking Mrs. Clinton: Personal preferences vary greatly, but I
find it amazing that people would prefer Trump's personality over H.
Clinton's. As I may have mentioned before, I have two friends who work
for the State Department, both very intelligent people. They observed
Clinton for many years as part of their jobs. They said she was _always_
the smartest person in the room, and they personally got along fine with
her - no complaints.

But that's the previous election. About Democrats regretting their
previous Trump choice: Trump nearly won our traditionally Democratic
county in 2016 by coming here and saying about the closed plants, "Those
[manufacturing] jobs have left Ohio." [but] "They’re all coming back.
They’re all coming back. Don’t move. Don’t sell your house."

Well. The unemployment rate fell very slightly over Trump's term, but
the big plants certainly did not come back. Then the Lordstown GM plant
closed, laying off over 1500 people. And of course, enemployment surged
under COVID. Those jobs did NOT come back. Promises were certainly not
kept, and the area is certainly worse off than in 2016.

But Trump won the county this year. Go figure.

But didn't Mrs. Clinton win the "popular vote" I think I remember that
Trump won only on the Electoral Collage vote, which is of course how
the system works, but that "the people" clearly preferred Mrs.
Clinton.

If they ever finish counting votes it will be interesting to see how
the election came out this time.

The Georigia recount is mandatory, by statute, not requested.

Sworn affidavits are signed on pain of perjury:

https://pjmedia.com/election/megan-f...dence-n1134171

We'll see. IMHO Trump won Wisconsin until Mr Barrett piled
in his own tranche of 'special' ballots late in the night.
First, why is it that conservatives believe that ever affidavit or declaration signed by a liberal is "fraud," while every conservative affidavit or declaration is per se true and unimpeachable? Conservatives have a very flexible approach to the credibility of sworn testimony.

Second, I can't tell you how many times I've seen sworn affidavits saying "I heard a guy who knew someone who said this thing about [fill in the blank]." Sworn hearsay crap. People can swear to useless information and do so all the time.

-- Jay Beattie.
Tell us Jay, are you looking forward to anarchists controlling this country, like Portland? Are you looking forward to wars and more wars from the pockets of Americans being waged so that a few officers can make promotions? You are a very odd duck who has seen what is happening and cannot interpret this as being entirely on the orders of the Chinese Communist Party. This is your future so I hope you like it.

Maybe you shouldn't fund the communist Chinese with all your crappy equipment purchases -- paid for with your Social Security welfare money. A communist supporting the communists. Tell me, Tom, are you the Manchurian candidate? It pains me to support communists like you.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 8:03:10 AM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 7:35:35 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 7:59:56 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 5:07:19 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/12/2020 6:32 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 17:44:38 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/12/2020 1:34 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:

I spent quite a lot of time before this elections to get informed what was/is going on in the USA and what the outcome of the elections could be and I tried to keep an open mind (not just FOX news) The last elections were already close and a lot of traditional Democrats choose for Trump because they didn't like Mrs Clinton (I can understand that). What if a part of those Democrats regretted their choice 4 years ago because Trump behaved like he did and returned back to the Democrats this elections? Would it not be possible that this time the coin could fall to the other side? It was still close.

About not liking Mrs. Clinton: Personal preferences vary greatly, but I
find it amazing that people would prefer Trump's personality over H.
Clinton's. As I may have mentioned before, I have two friends who work
for the State Department, both very intelligent people. They observed
Clinton for many years as part of their jobs. They said she was _always_
the smartest person in the room, and they personally got along fine with
her - no complaints.

But that's the previous election. About Democrats regretting their
previous Trump choice: Trump nearly won our traditionally Democratic
county in 2016 by coming here and saying about the closed plants, "Those
[manufacturing] jobs have left Ohio." [but] "They’re all coming back.
They’re all coming back. Don’t move. Don’t sell your house."

Well. The unemployment rate fell very slightly over Trump's term, but
the big plants certainly did not come back. Then the Lordstown GM plant
closed, laying off over 1500 people. And of course, enemployment surged
under COVID. Those jobs did NOT come back. Promises were certainly not
kept, and the area is certainly worse off than in 2016.

But Trump won the county this year. Go figure.

But didn't Mrs. Clinton win the "popular vote" I think I remember that
Trump won only on the Electoral Collage vote, which is of course how
the system works, but that "the people" clearly preferred Mrs.
Clinton.

If they ever finish counting votes it will be interesting to see how
the election came out this time.

The Georigia recount is mandatory, by statute, not requested.

Sworn affidavits are signed on pain of perjury:

https://pjmedia.com/election/megan-f...dence-n1134171

We'll see. IMHO Trump won Wisconsin until Mr Barrett piled
in his own tranche of 'special' ballots late in the night.
First, why is it that conservatives believe that ever affidavit or declaration signed by a liberal is "fraud," while every conservative affidavit or declaration is per se true and unimpeachable? Conservatives have a very flexible approach to the credibility of sworn testimony.

Second, I can't tell you how many times I've seen sworn affidavits saying "I heard a guy who knew someone who said this thing about [fill in the blank]." Sworn hearsay crap. People can swear to useless information and do so all the time.

-- Jay Beattie.
Tell us Jay, are you looking forward to anarchists controlling this country, like Portland? Are you looking forward to wars and more wars from the pockets of Americans being waged so that a few officers can make promotions? You are a very odd duck who has seen what is happening and cannot interpret this as being entirely on the orders of the Chinese Communist Party. This is your future so I hope you like it.
Maybe you shouldn't fund the communist Chinese with all your crappy equipment purchases -- paid for with your Social Security welfare money. A communist supporting the communists. Tell me, Tom, are you the Manchurian candidate? It pains me to support communists like you.

Jay, you're the one that has sold off the future of his son. At the moment you're not about to admit it until it actually happens so perhaps you should calm down and watch what you did.