Sometime Back I Warned about Absentee Ballots as the Bane of Democracy...

On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 07:43:45 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 11:44:57 PM UTC-8, news18 wrote:
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 19:07:03 -0600, AMuzi wrote:


We'll see. IMHO Trump won Wisconsin until Mr Barrett piled in his own
tranche of 'special' ballots late in the night.
Are you seekingto prove tommy is intelligent?
Please explain that.
AFAIK, no one has voted after pols closed.
All that has happened, as it always does is that vote counting has
continued to take place until all votes are counted.
In the decades of watching the count come it, it is common, in close
seats, for the person with the greatest number of votes to vary over
the days/days. It sn't over to tall the votes are counted.

Further, it is typical for various voting booths to favour certain
party candidates, at each election, s if the ovtes for that booth are
not counted first, then a boost will go to one or other candidates.

Tell us all you moron - what DO you know about American elections? You
don't even see what is coming in Australia.

Vote counting is vote counting the world over.

Unlike the residents of the USA, I can read detailed accurate reports
from various sources as to what is really going on, unlike the mouth
frothing rants of refuse you spew that you go on with.

Face it, TRUMP LOST comprehensively. Biden has a clear majority(not
subject to automatic recount) ins enough states to give him the electoral
college vote to be formally declared the next President of the USA.

The really good thing is wen he is an ex-president, the law sutes its
will follow.

On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 12:37:23 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 11:32:28 AM UTC-8,
wrote:

Well to be honest with you Tom, I don't believe that. According to
your standards I'm living my whole life under a
'socialist/communist' regime and it happens that the Dutch are
among the happiest, most satisfied people in the world. What I saw
in the last 4 years in the USA was a big mess, and still is. What
you are spewing here doesn't help, au contraire.
Have a nice day.
Then you're too young to remember that the Dutch were not
particularly unhappy during the German occupation.
Yes I was too young and so were you. I'm from the cold war period and
spent my time in the military at the East German border. What a
paranoid time was that. Glad Mr Trump wasn't president at that time.

I was in the military with guys that were there.

So, ~25 years later, these guys, who passed through Belgium on Monty's
shirt tails during WWII, were still in the US military and willing to
discuss their war stories with an airman of the lowest rank?



For that matter ask the Belgians.

Every country has collaborators but for many it was just survival.

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 1:36:50 PM UTC-8, news18 wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 12:37:23 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 11:32:28 AM UTC-8,
wrote:

Well to be honest with you Tom, I don't believe that. According to
your standards I'm living my whole life under a
'socialist/communist' regime and it happens that the Dutch are
among the happiest, most satisfied people in the world. What I saw
in the last 4 years in the USA was a big mess, and still is. What
you are spewing here doesn't help, au contraire.
Have a nice day.
Then you're too young to remember that the Dutch were not
particularly unhappy during the German occupation.
Yes I was too young and so were you. I'm from the cold war period and
spent my time in the military at the East German border. What a
paranoid time was that. Glad Mr Trump wasn't president at that time.

I was in the military with guys that were there.
So, ~25 years later, these guys, who passed through Belgium on Monty's
shirt tails during WWII, were still in the US military and willing to
discuss their war stories with an airman of the lowest rank?
For that matter ask the Belgians.
Every country has collaborators but for many it was just survival.
You are a collaborator. You learn knocked down and beat a woman in her front yard in before her children for not wearing a mask and you agreed with your government. You have absolutely no excuse when they come for you. you are lower than the dirt on the ground.

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 1:36:50 PM UTC-8, news18 wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 12:37:23 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 11:32:28 AM UTC-8,
wrote:

Well to be honest with you Tom, I don't believe that. According to
your standards I'm living my whole life under a
'socialist/communist' regime and it happens that the Dutch are
among the happiest, most satisfied people in the world. What I saw
in the last 4 years in the USA was a big mess, and still is. What
you are spewing here doesn't help, au contraire.
Have a nice day.
Then you're too young to remember that the Dutch were not
particularly unhappy during the German occupation.
Yes I was too young and so were you. I'm from the cold war period and
spent my time in the military at the East German border. What a
paranoid time was that. Glad Mr Trump wasn't president at that time.

I was in the military with guys that were there.
So, ~25 years later, these guys, who passed through Belgium on Monty's
shirt tails during WWII, were still in the US military and willing to
discuss their war stories with an airman of the lowest rank?
For that matter ask the Belgians.
Every country has collaborators but for many it was just survival.
By the way, you should show your education more often. I was in the military less than 18 years after WWII and the people in the Air Force that were leftover - that had no place to go home to - stayed in for 30 years. The sheer outright ignorance of you Aussies demonstrates quite clearly that you were lying through your teeth when you claimed to be an EE.

On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 14:15:04 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 1:36:50 PM UTC-8, news18 wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 12:37:23 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 11:32:28 AM UTC-8,
wrote:

Well to be honest with you Tom, I don't believe that. According to
your standards I'm living my whole life under a
'socialist/communist' regime and it happens that the Dutch are
among the happiest, most satisfied people in the world. What I saw
in the last 4 years in the USA was a big mess, and still is. What
you are spewing here doesn't help, au contraire.
Have a nice day.
Then you're too young to remember that the Dutch were not
particularly unhappy during the German occupation.
Yes I was too young and so were you. I'm from the cold war period and
spent my time in the military at the East German border. What a
paranoid time was that. Glad Mr Trump wasn't president at that time.

I was in the military with guys that were there.
So, ~25 years later, these guys, who passed through Belgium on Monty's
shirt tails during WWII, were still in the US military and willing to
discuss their war stories with an airman of the lowest rank?
For that matter ask the Belgians.
Every country has collaborators but for many it was just survival.
By the way, you should show your education more often. I was in the military less than 18 years after WWII and the people in the Air Force that were leftover - that had no place to go home to - stayed in for 30 years. The sheer outright ignorance of you Aussies demonstrates quite clearly that you were lying through your teeth when you claimed to be an EE.


Well, that is the story you tell but the evidence that you put forth
tells us that you don't know a damned thing about the military. You
even concocted an imaginary Air Force to claim service in. No Tommy,
you were one of the brave American youths that fled the country to
Canada to avoid serving your country.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 14:08:18 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 1:36:50 PM UTC-8, news18 wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 12:37:23 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 11:32:28 AM UTC-8,
wrote:

Well to be honest with you Tom, I don't believe that. According
to your standards I'm living my whole life under a
'socialist/communist' regime and it happens that the Dutch are
among the happiest, most satisfied people in the world. What I
saw in the last 4 years in the USA was a big mess, and still is.
What you are spewing here doesn't help, au contraire.
Have a nice day.
Then you're too young to remember that the Dutch were not
particularly unhappy during the German occupation.
Yes I was too young and so were you. I'm from the cold war period
and spent my time in the military at the East German border. What a
paranoid time was that. Glad Mr Trump wasn't president at that time.

I was in the military with guys that were there.
So, ~25 years later, these guys, who passed through Belgium on Monty's
shirt tails during WWII, were still in the US military and willing to
discuss their war stories with an airman of the lowest rank?
For that matter ask the Belgians.
Every country has collaborators but for many it was just survival.
You are a collaborator. You learn knocked down and beat a woman in her
front yard in before her children for not wearing a mask and you agreed
with your government. You have absolutely no excuse when they come for
you. you are lower than the dirt on the ground.

Lol, another TOMMY LIE is uncovered.
And Tommy posts another lie by conflating two different events.
BTW, Australia has on had 907 deaths from Covid-19, where as your countr
has over 230,000 so far because not wearing masks s seen as an utimate.
civil liberty. FFS, Trump rallies have killed neary as many as have dies
in Australia.

On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 14:15:04 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 1:36:50 PM UTC-8, news18 wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 12:37:23 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 11:32:28 AM UTC-8,
wrote:

Well to be honest with you Tom, I don't believe that. According
to your standards I'm living my whole life under a
'socialist/communist' regime and it happens that the Dutch are
among the happiest, most satisfied people in the world. What I
saw in the last 4 years in the USA was a big mess, and still is.
What you are spewing here doesn't help, au contraire.
Have a nice day.
Then you're too young to remember that the Dutch were not
particularly unhappy during the German occupation.
Yes I was too young and so were you. I'm from the cold war period
and spent my time in the military at the East German border. What a
paranoid time was that. Glad Mr Trump wasn't president at that time.

I was in the military with guys that were there.
So, ~25 years later, these guys, who passed through Belgium on Monty's
shirt tails during WWII, were still in the US military and willing to
discuss their war stories with an airman of the lowest rank?
For that matter ask the Belgians.
Every country has collaborators but for many it was just survival.
By the way, you should show your education more often. I was in the
military less than 18 years after WWII and the people in the Air Force
that were leftover - that had no place to go home to - stayed in for 30
years. The sheer outright ignorance of you Aussies demonstrates quite
clearly that you were lying through your teeth when you claimed to be an
EE.

So you were drafted by 1963 and were out of the forces before the real
fighting started.
I've never claimed to be an Educated Elite. Educated yes, Elite No.
BTW, my grandfather, a seargent in WII, told all his grandsons not to
volunteer for the Vietnam War, but to continue our educations.

On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 07:35:31 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 7:59:56 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 5:07:19 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/12/2020 6:32 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 17:44:38 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/12/2020 1:34 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:

I spent quite a lot of time before this elections to get informed what was/is going on in the USA and what the outcome of the elections could be and I tried to keep an open mind (not just FOX news) The last elections were already close and a lot of traditional Democrats choose for Trump because they didn't like Mrs Clinton (I can understand that). What if a part of those Democrats regretted their choice 4 years ago because Trump behaved like he did and returned back to the Democrats this elections? Would it not be possible that this time the coin could fall to the other side? It was still close.

About not liking Mrs. Clinton: Personal preferences vary greatly, but I
find it amazing that people would prefer Trump's personality over H.
Clinton's. As I may have mentioned before, I have two friends who work
for the State Department, both very intelligent people. They observed
Clinton for many years as part of their jobs. They said she was _always_
the smartest person in the room, and they personally got along fine with
her - no complaints.

But that's the previous election. About Democrats regretting their
previous Trump choice: Trump nearly won our traditionally Democratic
county in 2016 by coming here and saying about the closed plants, "Those
[manufacturing] jobs have left Ohio." [but] "They’re all coming back.
They’re all coming back. Don’t move. Don’t sell your house."

Well. The unemployment rate fell very slightly over Trump's term, but
the big plants certainly did not come back. Then the Lordstown GM plant
closed, laying off over 1500 people. And of course, enemployment surged
under COVID. Those jobs did NOT come back. Promises were certainly not
kept, and the area is certainly worse off than in 2016.

But Trump won the county this year. Go figure.

But didn't Mrs. Clinton win the "popular vote" I think I remember that
Trump won only on the Electoral Collage vote, which is of course how
the system works, but that "the people" clearly preferred Mrs.
Clinton.

If they ever finish counting votes it will be interesting to see how
the election came out this time.

The Georigia recount is mandatory, by statute, not requested.

Sworn affidavits are signed on pain of perjury:

https://pjmedia.com/election/megan-f...dence-n1134171

We'll see. IMHO Trump won Wisconsin until Mr Barrett piled
in his own tranche of 'special' ballots late in the night.
First, why is it that conservatives believe that ever affidavit or declaration signed by a liberal is "fraud," while every conservative affidavit or declaration is per se true and unimpeachable? Conservatives have a very flexible approach to the credibility of sworn testimony.

Second, I can't tell you how many times I've seen sworn affidavits saying "I heard a guy who knew someone who said this thing about [fill in the blank]." Sworn hearsay crap. People can swear to useless information and do so all the time.

-- Jay Beattie.
Tell us Jay, are you looking forward to anarchists controlling this country, like Portland? Are you looking forward to wars and more wars from the pockets of Americans being waged so that a few officers can make promotions? You are a very odd duck who has seen what is happening and cannot interpret this as being entirely on the orders of the Chinese Communist Party. This is your future so I hope you like it.


Well Tommy, I read in the news that legal firms are refusing to bring
some of Trumps allegations before the courts, to quote:

The law firm leading President Donald Trump’s challenge to the United
States presidential election results in Pennsylvania is backing out of
a federal case it filed on Monday.

“In all of these cases, the law firms are faced with an ethical
dilemma,” said John Hardin Young, an election lawyer in Washington, DC
and former counsel to the Democratic Party.

“They run up against” federal rules of procedure that require “a
complaint be based in law and fact”, Young said." “All of these
complaints are looking for facts which is the exact opposite of the
ethical obligations. These lawsuits are political statements that have
nothing to do with the technicalities of law and fact,” Young said.

Earlier this week, in Arizona, the firm of Snell & Wilmer withdrew
from representing Republicans in the so-called “Sharpie-gate” case,
alleging a conspiracy by poll workers to give Republican voters
permanent-ink markers that would spoil their ballots.

What is the Golden Goon going to do next?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 20:57:56 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 07:43:45 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 11:44:57 PM UTC-8, news18 wrote:
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 19:07:03 -0600, AMuzi wrote:


We'll see. IMHO Trump won Wisconsin until Mr Barrett piled in his own
tranche of 'special' ballots late in the night.
Are you seekingto prove tommy is intelligent?
Please explain that.
AFAIK, no one has voted after pols closed.
All that has happened, as it always does is that vote counting has
continued to take place until all votes are counted.
In the decades of watching the count come it, it is common, in close
seats, for the person with the greatest number of votes to vary over
the days/days. It sn't over to tall the votes are counted.

Further, it is typical for various voting booths to favour certain
party candidates, at each election, s if the ovtes for that booth are
not counted first, then a boost will go to one or other candidates.

Tell us all you moron - what DO you know about American elections? You
don't even see what is coming in Australia.

Vote counting is vote counting the world over.

Unlike the residents of the USA, I can read detailed accurate reports
from various sources as to what is really going on, unlike the mouth
frothing rants of refuse you spew that you go on with.

Face it, TRUMP LOST comprehensively. Biden has a clear majority(not
subject to automatic recount) ins enough states to give him the electoral
college vote to be formally declared the next President of the USA.

The really good thing is wen he is an ex-president, the law sutes its
will follow.


And Tom's hero just lost another state. They just recounted the votes
in Georgia and Bidon won again.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 11/13/2020 6:03 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 07:35:31 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 7:59:56 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 5:07:19 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/12/2020 6:32 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 17:44:38 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/12/2020 1:34 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:

I spent quite a lot of time before this elections to get informed what was/is going on in the USA and what the outcome of the elections could be and I tried to keep an open mind (not just FOX news) The last elections were already close and a lot of traditional Democrats choose for Trump because they didn't like Mrs Clinton (I can understand that). What if a part of those Democrats regretted their choice 4 years ago because Trump behaved like he did and returned back to the Democrats this elections? Would it not be possible that this time the coin could fall to the other side? It was still close.

About not liking Mrs. Clinton: Personal preferences vary greatly, but I
find it amazing that people would prefer Trump's personality over H.
Clinton's. As I may have mentioned before, I have two friends who work
for the State Department, both very intelligent people. They observed
Clinton for many years as part of their jobs. They said she was _always_
the smartest person in the room, and they personally got along fine with
her - no complaints.

But that's the previous election. About Democrats regretting their
previous Trump choice: Trump nearly won our traditionally Democratic
county in 2016 by coming here and saying about the closed plants, "Those
[manufacturing] jobs have left Ohio." [but] "They’re all coming back.
They’re all coming back. Don’t move. Don’t sell your house."

Well. The unemployment rate fell very slightly over Trump's term, but
the big plants certainly did not come back. Then the Lordstown GM plant
closed, laying off over 1500 people. And of course, enemployment surged
under COVID. Those jobs did NOT come back. Promises were certainly not
kept, and the area is certainly worse off than in 2016.

But Trump won the county this year. Go figure.

But didn't Mrs. Clinton win the "popular vote" I think I remember that
Trump won only on the Electoral Collage vote, which is of course how
the system works, but that "the people" clearly preferred Mrs.
Clinton.

If they ever finish counting votes it will be interesting to see how
the election came out this time.

The Georigia recount is mandatory, by statute, not requested.

Sworn affidavits are signed on pain of perjury:

https://pjmedia.com/election/megan-f...dence-n1134171

We'll see. IMHO Trump won Wisconsin until Mr Barrett piled
in his own tranche of 'special' ballots late in the night.
First, why is it that conservatives believe that ever affidavit or declaration signed by a liberal is "fraud," while every conservative affidavit or declaration is per se true and unimpeachable? Conservatives have a very flexible approach to the credibility of sworn testimony.

Second, I can't tell you how many times I've seen sworn affidavits saying "I heard a guy who knew someone who said this thing about [fill in the blank]." Sworn hearsay crap. People can swear to useless information and do so all the time.

-- Jay Beattie.
Tell us Jay, are you looking forward to anarchists controlling this country, like Portland? Are you looking forward to wars and more wars from the pockets of Americans being waged so that a few officers can make promotions? You are a very odd duck who has seen what is happening and cannot interpret this as being entirely on the orders of the Chinese Communist Party. This is your future so I hope you like it.


Well Tommy, I read in the news that legal firms are refusing to bring
some of Trumps allegations before the courts, to quote:

The law firm leading President Donald Trump’s challenge to the United
States presidential election results in Pennsylvania is backing out of
a federal case it filed on Monday.

“In all of these cases, the law firms are faced with an ethical
dilemma,� said John Hardin Young, an election lawyer in Washington, DC
and former counsel to the Democratic Party.

“They run up against� federal rules of procedure that require “a
complaint be based in law and fact�, Young said." “All of these
complaints are looking for facts which is the exact opposite of the
ethical obligations. These lawsuits are political statements that have
nothing to do with the technicalities of law and fact,� Young said.

Earlier this week, in Arizona, the firm of Snell & Wilmer withdrew
from representing Republicans in the so-called “Sharpie-gate� case,
alleging a conspiracy by poll workers to give Republican voters
permanent-ink markers that would spoil their ballots.

What is the Golden Goon going to do next?

Actually, he's looking less golden recently.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...215602332.html

There's speculation his hair stylist may have quit or been fired.


--
- Frank Krygowski