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So who can the President fire?
On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 3:02:06 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/2/2019 3:46 PM, wrote: On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 5:46:45 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 5:19:06 PM UTC-8, Ralph Barone wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/1/2019 2:30 PM, wrote: Jay, it is always pleasant to know to exactly what lengths you and other leftists are willing to go to attacking even the least man in Trump's administration. I would like to ask you quite plainly - do you really believe that this is not going to rebound on you? That the same tactics that you've been willing to use will not in turn be used upon you? Or are you still filled with pride with getting away without punishment for locking 114,000 Americans of Japanese descent into concentration camps while we had Americans in Europe fighting Germans in part because they were locking Jews into concentration camps? Jay, I have to take Tom's side on that point. If it really was you who locked 114,000 Americans of Japanese descent into concentration camps - well, shame on you! On the other hand, you've really got to applaud his productivity. Well thank you! People just don't understand how HARD it is to get 114,000 Americans of Japanese descent into concentration camps. I was exhausted before I was even born. Nobody had ever done it before. It was huge, and it will be many, many years before anybody does it again. Probably never because it was so huge. And you know, I talk to my Japanese friends and even they say, "Jay, you did such an awesome and good job. A hugely awesome good job like nobody had done before!" -- @therealJayBeattie. So the pretense of you and Frank is that these aren't the people you support. That since it wasn't you personally that you can still support them and remain blameless. The same defense used by the guards at Auschwitz; "I was just following orders." Tom, you're nuts. You've never even asked my opinion on the internment of the Japanese-Americans, yet your spitting all over your keyboard with outrage about my approving it, years before I was even born. You're an excellent argument for universal health care. Take your meds! That's coverage D for Tom -- under the hard-working tax-payer supported socialist benefit program, Medicare. People like me caring for people like Tom.. It makes me feel warm all over, except at self-employment tax time. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 9:46:12 PM UTC, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 1:08:28 PM UTC-8, wrote: On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 6:23:18 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote: On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 5:01:16 PM UTC, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 7:55:57 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote: Jay Beattie says: " This is what the government would have proved at trial." Really? Surely you mean "This is what the government CLAIMS it would have proved at trial." The Mueller team of Democrat donors first bankrupted General Flynn and then threatened to go after his son if he didn't roll over. There's a very large difference between extorting a confession from someone by threats to his family, and proving whatever he confesses to under duress in a contested case in court. Surely they taught you that much at college? If not, you should ask for your tuition to be returned. This "Russia Dossier -- Mueller Special Counsel Investigation" will go down in history as the most corrupt series of incidents in all of American history. Top-posting is a federal offense. Kiss my ass. Happy new year Andre! Since I don't live in PDX, I wish you a year in which you can put up your hourly rate to a thousand dollars. Things slow down at the pulp (fiction) mill? Nah. The press got taken over by one of the Big Three, precisely for the literary quality of its writers, and everyone got well to several factors of capital gains, which attracts a lower tax rate, as I'm sure you keep telling your clients from Big Oil. I know how disappointing it can be to actually look at a transcript where an intelligent, high level official represented by the greatest (over-priced) legal talent in the United States cops a plea in open court -- after ten minutes of admonitions and specifically states under oath that the plea is voluntary and not coerced. Recall that the plea was to lying and not the underlying (possible) Logan Act violation or other federal law violations. We'll learn about that later when the Mueller report is issued. Flynn lied, got caught and got prosecuted. It's pretty simple. He'll get probation or maybe a suntan opportunity at Club Fed. BTW, all criminal investigations are coercive, and when you lie and get caught, you're just throwing gasoline on the fire. Nixon and Clinton proved that point. -- Jay Beattie. Oh, I read that when it first became available via NR's Andy McCarthy, I think. I'm a sucker for reading deceptively nuanced prose. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I wasn't disappointed at all. It reads to me, as I expected, like a wholelotta "intelligent, high level officials" -- what was it that judge said again, ah, yes --"composing". And certainly what they're composing isn't music. Funny thing: the FBI agents who interviewed Flynn first said he hadn't lied. It was Mueller, who wasn't in the room, who decided that after all he was lying, and disappeared the agents' original reports, and wiped their phones, for which one hopes he will be held to account. Funny thing, that sequence, but only if your sense of justice is blunted. (Well, or if you're a lawyer who doesn't believe in the concept of exculpatory evidence.) AJ Who will watch the watchers? While Lyndon Johnson was in the Oval office he was so well thought of as of his honesty that the 89th Congress passed the Freedom of Information Act. Funny how it has been the strong point in showing the people in this country what Democrats really are. FOIA was authored by a Democrat, John Moss, from CALIFORNIA 3rd District. It revised provision that had been in the APA since 1946, and Moss had worked for 12 years to get it through congress. It passed through the 89th congress -- through a house and senate both controlled by Democrats. It was signed by a Democratic president. How much more Democratic can you make a piece of legislation. Interestingly, President Ford opposed amendments in 1974 that form the back-bone of the current FOIA. His veto was overridden by congress: Following the Watergate scandal, President Gerald R. Ford wanted to sign FOIA-strengthening amendments in the Privacy Act of 1974, but White House Chief of Staff Donald Rumsfeld and deputy Dick Cheney were concerned about leaks. Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel Antonin Scalia advised the bill was unconstitutional and even telephoned the CIA asking them to lobby a particular White House staffer. President Ford was persuaded to veto the bill on October 17, 1974, according to documents declassified in 2004. However, on November 21, the lame-duck Congress overrode President Ford's veto, giving the United States the core Freedom of Information Act still in effect today, with judicial review of executive secrecy claims.. Scalia remained highly critical of the 1974 amendments, writing years later that "It is the Taj Mahal of the Doctrine of Unanticipated Consequences, the Sistine Chapel of Cost-Benefit Analysis Ignored." Scalia particularly disliked the availability of judicial review, decrying that if "an agency denies a freedom of information request, shazam!—the full force of the Third Branch of the government is summoned to the wronged party's assistance." -- Jay Beattie. See, even Democrats used to do the right thing. Pity they don't any more. Andre Jute The truth shall set ye free -- John F Kennedy, opening the Langley HQ of the CIA, quoting the New Testament |
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On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 12:46:03 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 5:46:45 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 5:19:06 PM UTC-8, Ralph Barone wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/1/2019 2:30 PM, wrote: Jay, it is always pleasant to know to exactly what lengths you and other leftists are willing to go to attacking even the least man in Trump's administration. I would like to ask you quite plainly - do you really believe that this is not going to rebound on you? That the same tactics that you've been willing to use will not in turn be used upon you? Or are you still filled with pride with getting away without punishment for locking 114,000 Americans of Japanese descent into concentration camps while we had Americans in Europe fighting Germans in part because they were locking Jews into concentration camps? Jay, I have to take Tom's side on that point. If it really was you who locked 114,000 Americans of Japanese descent into concentration camps - well, shame on you! On the other hand, you've really got to applaud his productivity. Well thank you! People just don't understand how HARD it is to get 114,000 Americans of Japanese descent into concentration camps. I was exhausted before I was even born. Nobody had ever done it before. It was huge, and it will be many, many years before anybody does it again. Probably never because it was so huge. And you know, I talk to my Japanese friends and even they say, "Jay, you did such an awesome and good job. A hugely awesome good job like nobody had done before!" -- @therealJayBeattie. So the pretense of you and Frank is that these aren't the people you support. That since it wasn't you personally that you can still support them and remain blameless. The same defense used by the guards at Auschwitz; "I was just following orders." The Internment of the Japanese took place in February 1942 which is, if your Internet biography is correct, before you were born. What's next? Will you be rabbeting on about the horrible treatment of the so called Native Americans? Or maybe how the Jamestown was settled? cheers, John B. |
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On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 13:18:14 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 7:46:39 PM UTC-8, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 17:46:43 -0800 (PST), jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 5:19:06 PM UTC-8, Ralph Barone wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/1/2019 2:30 PM, wrote: Jay, it is always pleasant to know to exactly what lengths you and other leftists are willing to go to attacking even the least man in Trump's administration. I would like to ask you quite plainly - do you really believe that this is not going to rebound on you? That the same tactics that you've been willing to use will not in turn be used upon you? Or are you still filled with pride with getting away without punishment for locking 114,000 Americans of Japanese descent into concentration camps while we had Americans in Europe fighting Germans in part because they were locking Jews into concentration camps? Jay, I have to take Tom's side on that point. If it really was you who locked 114,000 Americans of Japanese descent into concentration camps - well, shame on you! On the other hand, you've really got to applaud his productivity. Well thank you! People just don't understand how HARD it is to get 114,000 Americans of Japanese descent into concentration camps. I was exhausted before I was even born. Nobody had ever done it before. It was huge, and it will be many, many years before anybody does it again. Probably never because it was so huge. And you know, I talk to my Japanese friends and even they say, "Jay, you did such an awesome and good job. A hugely awesome good job like nobody had done before!" -- @therealJayBeattie. I'm sure that you must have also had a hand in the recruiting of the 44th Infantry Regiment which was made up of Japanese-Americans and was the most decorated regiment in the history of the U.S. Army. cheers, John B. Do you mean the segregated American regiment. Sort of like some 700,000 black Americans whose efforts in the war did everything from breaking the Battle of the Bulge to saving bridges all over France so that the tankers could cross. And the American military didn't even recognize them. It wasn't until Eisenhower got in until the service was desegregated. Of course this segregation has been blamed on the Republicans ever since. Segregated regiment? So what? They received the highest number of decorations in the history of the U.S. Army. But Black Americans... the first "Afro-Americans" in the military joined up in the 1700's. "research concludes there were about 9000 black Patriot soldiers, counting the Continental Army and Navy, and state militia units..." From about 1863 until the early 20th century there were the 9th and 10th cavalry and the 24th and 25th infantry regiments which were Black. To add a little bicycle content, the first U.S. "Bicycle Soldiers" were members of the 25th Infantry, a Black unit. cheers, John B. |
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On 1/2/2019 8:32 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 13:18:14 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 7:46:39 PM UTC-8, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 17:46:43 -0800 (PST), jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 5:19:06 PM UTC-8, Ralph Barone wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/1/2019 2:30 PM, wrote: Jay, it is always pleasant to know to exactly what lengths you and other leftists are willing to go to attacking even the least man in Trump's administration. I would like to ask you quite plainly - do you really believe that this is not going to rebound on you? That the same tactics that you've been willing to use will not in turn be used upon you? Or are you still filled with pride with getting away without punishment for locking 114,000 Americans of Japanese descent into concentration camps while we had Americans in Europe fighting Germans in part because they were locking Jews into concentration camps? Jay, I have to take Tom's side on that point. If it really was you who locked 114,000 Americans of Japanese descent into concentration camps - well, shame on you! On the other hand, you've really got to applaud his productivity. Well thank you! People just don't understand how HARD it is to get 114,000 Americans of Japanese descent into concentration camps. I was exhausted before I was even born. Nobody had ever done it before. It was huge, and it will be many, many years before anybody does it again. Probably never because it was so huge. And you know, I talk to my Japanese friends and even they say, "Jay, you did such an awesome and good job. A hugely awesome good job like nobody had done before!" -- @therealJayBeattie. I'm sure that you must have also had a hand in the recruiting of the 44th Infantry Regiment which was made up of Japanese-Americans and was the most decorated regiment in the history of the U.S. Army. cheers, John B. Do you mean the segregated American regiment. Sort of like some 700,000 black Americans whose efforts in the war did everything from breaking the Battle of the Bulge to saving bridges all over France so that the tankers could cross. And the American military didn't even recognize them. It wasn't until Eisenhower got in until the service was desegregated. Of course this segregation has been blamed on the Republicans ever since. Segregated regiment? So what? They received the highest number of decorations in the history of the U.S. Army. But Black Americans... the first "Afro-Americans" in the military joined up in the 1700's. "research concludes there were about 9000 black Patriot soldiers, counting the Continental Army and Navy, and state militia units..." From about 1863 until the early 20th century there were the 9th and 10th cavalry and the 24th and 25th infantry regiments which were Black. To add a little bicycle content, the first U.S. "Bicycle Soldiers" were members of the 25th Infantry, a Black unit. See "Buffalo Soldiers." https://www.history.com/topics/westw...ffalo-soldiers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Soldier -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 3:37:29 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 3:02:06 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/2/2019 3:46 PM, wrote: On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 5:46:45 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 5:19:06 PM UTC-8, Ralph Barone wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/1/2019 2:30 PM, wrote: Jay, it is always pleasant to know to exactly what lengths you and other leftists are willing to go to attacking even the least man in Trump's administration. I would like to ask you quite plainly - do you really believe that this is not going to rebound on you? That the same tactics that you've been willing to use will not in turn be used upon you? Or are you still filled with pride with getting away without punishment for locking 114,000 Americans of Japanese descent into concentration camps while we had Americans in Europe fighting Germans in part because they were locking Jews into concentration camps? Jay, I have to take Tom's side on that point. If it really was you who locked 114,000 Americans of Japanese descent into concentration camps - well, shame on you! On the other hand, you've really got to applaud his productivity. Well thank you! People just don't understand how HARD it is to get 114,000 Americans of Japanese descent into concentration camps. I was exhausted before I was even born. Nobody had ever done it before. It was huge, and it will be many, many years before anybody does it again. Probably never because it was so huge. And you know, I talk to my Japanese friends and even they say, "Jay, you did such an awesome and good job. A hugely awesome good job like nobody had done before!" -- @therealJayBeattie. So the pretense of you and Frank is that these aren't the people you support. That since it wasn't you personally that you can still support them and remain blameless. The same defense used by the guards at Auschwitz; "I was just following orders." Tom, you're nuts. You've never even asked my opinion on the internment of the Japanese-Americans, yet your spitting all over your keyboard with outrage about my approving it, years before I was even born. You're an excellent argument for universal health care. Take your meds! That's coverage D for Tom -- under the hard-working tax-payer supported socialist benefit program, Medicare. People like me caring for people like Tom. It makes me feel warm all over, except at self-employment tax time. -- Jay Beattie. People like you are liars. Although initially Social Security and Medicare were supported by taxpayers the funds soon grew much larger until effectively people sere "banking" their own SS and Medicare. I once calculated my Social Security payments with only 1% interest rates and it was covered until I was 92. So you can take your usual Democrat garbage and shove it. |
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On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 4:51:40 PM UTC-8, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 12:46:03 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 5:46:45 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 5:19:06 PM UTC-8, Ralph Barone wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/1/2019 2:30 PM, wrote: Jay, it is always pleasant to know to exactly what lengths you and other leftists are willing to go to attacking even the least man in Trump's administration. I would like to ask you quite plainly - do you really believe that this is not going to rebound on you? That the same tactics that you've been willing to use will not in turn be used upon you? Or are you still filled with pride with getting away without punishment for locking 114,000 Americans of Japanese descent into concentration camps while we had Americans in Europe fighting Germans in part because they were locking Jews into concentration camps? Jay, I have to take Tom's side on that point. If it really was you who locked 114,000 Americans of Japanese descent into concentration camps - well, shame on you! On the other hand, you've really got to applaud his productivity. Well thank you! People just don't understand how HARD it is to get 114,000 Americans of Japanese descent into concentration camps. I was exhausted before I was even born. Nobody had ever done it before. It was huge, and it will be many, many years before anybody does it again. Probably never because it was so huge. And you know, I talk to my Japanese friends and even they say, "Jay, you did such an awesome and good job. A hugely awesome good job like nobody had done before!" -- @therealJayBeattie. So the pretense of you and Frank is that these aren't the people you support. That since it wasn't you personally that you can still support them and remain blameless. The same defense used by the guards at Auschwitz; "I was just following orders." The Internment of the Japanese took place in February 1942 which is, if your Internet biography is correct, before you were born. What's next? Will you be rabbeting on about the horrible treatment of the so called Native Americans? Or maybe how the Jamestown was settled? cheers, John B. My best friend until I joined the Military grew up in one of those Concentration Camps and his sister was my classmate. Their father died in that camp from lack of medical care and barely passible food and protection from conditions. Living in Thailand you obviously do not bother with the problems of others but I saw that everything that they worked for was taken away from them by Roosevelt's financier friends who picked it all up for almost free.. When the Kora family got out they have to start from nothing again. |
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