west mercia questions

Following the publication of the link a few days ago I starting asking
some questions.
As I guessed the interchange followed the expected pattern i.e. 88%
Bhit, "if one life can be saved etc.... but in the middle came



"We have direct experience of collisions that have occurred involving
cyclists where a helmet has saved them from serious injury and possibly
saved their life."

I'm now asking them

"Could you please provide me either with a reference or a link to the
information that allows her to make this claim?"

What's the odds on a real reply?

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:15:03 +0100
Marc wrote:

"Could you please provide me either with a reference or a link to the
information that allows her to make this claim?"

What's the odds on a real reply?

Something between null and zilch.

On 26 Jul, 14:15, Marc wrote:

"We have direct experience of collisions that have occurred involving
cyclists where a helmet has saved them from serious injury and possibly
saved their life."
...

What's the odds on a real reply?

They won't "need" to provide one. Their claim is not based on
"research has shown" but "We have direct experience".

The direct experince could be one incident. But it is still "direct
experience" . No names, no pack drill because of course names and
specific incidents that could identify an individual for verification
will be deemed "Data Protection".

didds

On Jul 26, 9:15*am, Marc wrote:
Following the publication of the link a few days ago I starting asking
some questions.
As I guessed the interchange followed the expected pattern i.e. 88%
Bhit, "if one life can be saved etc.... but in the middle came

"We have direct experience of collisions that have occurred involving
cyclists where a helmet has saved them from serious injury and possibly
saved their life."

I'm now asking them

"Could you please provide me either with a reference or a link to the
information that allows her to make this claim?"

What's the odds on a real reply?

I don't know but I've been asking for data on helmet effectivenss from
a Canadian organization for about 3 years and so far, I have received
nothing.

Don't expect too much.

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:30:28 -0700 (PDT)
John Kane wrote:

I've been asking for data on helmet effectivenss from
a Canadian organization for about 3 years and so far, I have received
nothing.

Presumably this is an organisation that would like to support the notion
that helmets are effective?

Marc wrote:
Following the publication of the link a few days ago I starting asking
some questions.
As I guessed the interchange followed the expected pattern i.e. 88%
Bhit, "if one life can be saved etc.... but in the middle came



"We have direct experience of collisions that have occurred involving
cyclists where a helmet has saved them from serious injury and possibly
saved their life."


It is pretty meaningless anyway - how can you tell from the outcome of
a few events what the outcome would have been is a variable had been
changed ?

Paul

--
CTC Right to Ride Rep. for Richmond upon Thames

Marc wrote:
Following the publication of the link a few days ago I starting asking
some questions.
As I guessed the interchange followed the expected pattern i.e. 88%
Bhit, "if one life can be saved etc.... but in the middle came
"We have direct experience of collisions that have occurred involving
cyclists where a helmet has saved them from serious injury and possibly
saved their life."

I'm now asking them
"Could you please provide me either with a reference or a link to the
information that allows her to make this claim?"

You could also ask about their direct experience of collisions that have
occurred involving motorists and pedestrians where a helmet could have
saved them from serious injury and possibly saved their life - if cycle
helmets are as effective as they say, there must be loads, right?

Colin McKenzie

--
No-one has ever proved that cycle helmets make cycling any safer at the
population level, and anyway cycling is about as safe per mile as walking.
Make an informed choice - visit www.cyclehelmets.org.

Colin McKenzie wrote:
Marc wrote:
Following the publication of the link a few days ago I starting asking
some questions.
As I guessed the interchange followed the expected pattern i.e. 88%
Bhit, "if one life can be saved etc.... but in the middle came
"We have direct experience of collisions that have occurred involving
cyclists where a helmet has saved them from serious injury and
possibly saved their life."

I'm now asking them
"Could you please provide me either with a reference or a link to the
information that allows her to make this claim?"

You could also ask about their direct experience of collisions that have
occurred involving motorists and pedestrians where a helmet could have
saved them from serious injury and possibly saved their life - if cycle
helmets are as effective as they say, there must be loads, right?

Colin McKenzie

After all if it saves just one life!

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:26:27 +0100, Marc
said in
:

After all if it saves just one life!

If you get the same "we believe" response, consider replying that
you apologise, you did not realise it was a religious issue, you
thought it was to do with road safety. Could they please indicate
in future where they use religious tenets mixed up with road safety
questions in surveys, to avoid confusion.

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound