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Real Bike Cities.
1. Hamburg
2. Rome 3. London 4. paris 5. Other European big and small cities These europeans cities could be the best place for biker riders, and most Americna city like LA, NY, Pheoneix, Seattle are the worst place for biker. The reason is that in America most folks do not ride a bike. As matter of fact, probably less than 1% of American population are relying bike as a primary transportation. In europe, I bet that number of population relying on bike as the primary transportatoin are quite high. I've never rode a bike in real bike city. Someday I will. I bet that it's not going to be same feeling to ride a bike among a hugh bike populations verse a sole rider in big street in US. |
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Real Bike Cities.
Seattle, on the other hand, is widely regarded as an excellent example of
bicycle commuting. Paris is far from it. I don't have first-hand knowledge of the other places you listed, but your track record so far isn't terribly good. You might re-post your troll in rec.bicycles.racing where people make a sport of such things. --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com "Red Cloud" wrote in message om... 1. Hamburg 2. Rome 3. London 4. paris 5. Other European big and small cities These europeans cities could be the best place for biker riders, and most Americna city like LA, NY, Pheoneix, Seattle are the worst place for biker. The reason is that in America most folks do not ride a bike. As matter of fact, probably less than 1% of American population are relying bike as a primary transportation. In europe, I bet that number of population relying on bike as the primary transportatoin are quite high. I've never rode a bike in real bike city. Someday I will. I bet that it's not going to be same feeling to ride a bike among a hugh bike populations verse a sole rider in big street in US. |
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NYC in the 60s was fine. That was before bike messengers.
The courtesy you get depends on how many bikes the drivers have seen before you that day. If it's none, you get all sorts of consideration. This is why you ought to be stamping out bike commuting, not encouraging it. It leaves you as the only rider. People give you a friendly wave, who pass you every day. -- Ron Hardin On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk. |
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Greetings from London,
It's along time since I've been to Hamburg. I wasn't impressed with their idea of compelling cyclists to ride on narrow urban sidewalks, even though they did paint a white line down the middle of the sidewalk, and call that a "bike lane" London is pretty good, although mine is a minority opinion. We are still trying to get a Tour de France stage here. The tour of Britain is back, meanwhile. The final stage will be a criterium in Westminster, Sept 5th. Send off for our free bike maps - London is big enough that it takes 19 of them to cover all london. Central London is map 10. For more info' look at the Transport for London web site www.tfl.org.uk There are lots of ways to get round London, so cycling has competition We got five ring roads from the planner kings (or at least a partial try) and Jubilee and Victoria in their halls of stone no highwalks for pedestrians, still doomed to die no Orbrail yet for railways, though once they ruled the throne. But there's one mode that rules them all although they won't admit it for fast fun trips around our town get a bike - you won't regret it. Jeremy Parker London UK "Red Cloud" wrote in message om... 1. Hamburg 2. Rome 3. London 4. paris 5. Other European big and small cities These europeans cities could be the best place for biker riders, and most Americna city like LA, NY, Pheoneix, Seattle are the worst place for biker. The reason is that in America most folks do not ride a bike. As matter of fact, probably less than 1% of American population are relying bike as a primary transportation. In europe, I bet that number of population relying on bike as the primary transportatoin are quite high. I've never rode a bike in real bike city. Someday I will. I bet that it's not going to be same feeling to ride a bike among a hugh bike populations verse a sole rider in big street in US. |
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Red Cloud wrote:
1. Hamburg 2. Rome 3. London 4. paris 5. Other European big and small cities These europeans cities could be the best place for biker riders, I doubt it. Here in Europe we usually consider Holland as the best example of how to plan and build for bicycle commuters. -- Perre You have to be smarter than a robot to reply. |
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"Red Cloud" wrote in message om... 1. Hamburg 2. Rome 3. London 4. paris 5. Other European big and small cities These europeans cities could be the best place for biker riders, and most Americna city like LA, NY, Pheoneix, Seattle are the worst place for biker. The reason is that in America most folks do not ride a bike. As matter of fact, probably less than 1% of American population are relying bike as a primary transportation. In europe, I bet that number of population relying on bike as the primary transportatoin are quite high. I've never rode a bike in real bike city. Someday I will. I bet that it's not going to be same feeling to ride a bike among a hugh bike populations verse a sole rider in big street in US. I'd take Seattle over Rome any day for bike commuting. Seattle does not have the plague of moped riders talking on cel phones filling every gap in the car traffic. |
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On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 00:49:01 -0700, Red Cloud wrote:
1. Hamburg 2. Rome 3. London 4. paris 5. Other European big and small cities Have you tried to ride in these cities, or are you just assuming that, since they are in Europe, they must be better than anything the US has to offer? Conversely, if you try riding in New York, or (so I am told) Seattle, or even Philadelphia, you might find that they can be exceptional places to ride. -- David L. Johnson __o | I don't believe you, you've got the whole damn thing all wrong. _`\(,_ | He's not the kind you have to wind-up on Sundays. --Ian Anderson (_)/ (_) | |
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"Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote in message
. com... Seattle, on the other hand, is widely regarded as an excellent example of bicycle commuting. Paris is far from it. I don't have first-hand knowledge of the other places you listed, but your track record so far isn't terribly good. You might re-post your troll in rec.bicycles.racing where people make a sport of such things. Yeah, I think the "Seattle" thing was thrown in there for trolling purposes. Now, I think I'm going to haul myself up from the computer and go ride in one of those "worst places", where, according to the mayor, bicycle commuting has been increasing at 7-8% a year. -- Warm Regards, Claire Petersky Please replace earthlink for mouse-potato and .net for .com Home of the meditative cyclist: http://home.earthlink.net/~cpetersky/Welcome.htm See the books I've set free at: http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky |
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David L. Johnson wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 00:49:01 -0700, Red Cloud wrote: 1. Hamburg 2. Rome 3. London 4. paris 5. Other European big and small cities Have you tried to ride in these cities, or are you just assuming that, since they are in Europe, they must be better than anything the US has to offer? I hate it when I click on an unread post and then actually consider its content, BEFORE noting the author. Bill "Red Cloud Troll" S. |
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On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 07:57:46 +0000, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
You might re-post your troll in rec.bicycles.racing where people make a sport of such things. yep--trolling it is,but perhaps grounds for interesting dialog regardless. The numero uno reason this is a troll, is the fact that Amsterdam isn't mentioned as one of the European cities. :/ However there are too many to mention, my hometown of Gothenburg, Sweden is especially nice--they have seperate bike lane and lights in the city! Makes you feel like just another vehicle. Seattle--I've been there many times since I used to live in the region, is very bike friendly as far as attitudes go--outdoorsy lifestyles are a very integrated part of the city's identity. I must admit that I sold my bike when I was in the region (mainly for sustenance, I was in college ) because I hadn't come to terms with the challenge of almost daily rain and some pretty brutal hills. Eventually I bought a vintage three speed with fenders and found that to be the perfect NW bike--you could push it up a hill and look perfectly natural--it's a three speed--and the fenders were a godsend. My favourite bike city in the states is Chicago! Lots of everyday normal folks ride--not just the crunchy granola types. There are plenty of bike lanes, and motorists--as aggressive as they usually are in the big city, seem to tolerate cyclists. The city also has installed bike racks, real solid brilliant ones, almost everywhere! I find that more important than the bike lines almost. Chicago's also flat--so you can ride whatever piece of junk you have laying around and not worry too much about theft. my 2c |
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