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Andrew Muzi
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On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 6:35:08 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
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Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

The proper response is either "WTF?" or "Calling for a volunteer to take one for the team."

Andre Jute
KISS or kiss off

On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 10:35:08 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
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Maybe the bicycle industry should start paying Lance Armstrong a commission - his demand for an additional climbing gear on his 8 speed and the wannabes immediate copying his ideas and buying entirely new groups started a preposterous trend in cycling that only idiots could miss. With an 8 speed you could have all of the gears you needed and you only had to shift once between gears to get where you needed to be. With my 10 speeds I had to make two or three shifts to get to the proper gear and with my 11 speed you spend all of your time shifting and still can't find the right gear without changing into the small ring and going the other way through the cogs.

On 8/28/2020 10:16 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 10:35:08 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://bikerumor.com/2020/08/20/pat...-buttons-more/

Maybe the bicycle industry should start paying Lance Armstrong a commission - his demand for an additional climbing gear on his 8 speed and the wannabes immediate copying his ideas and buying entirely new groups started a preposterous trend in cycling that only idiots could miss. With an 8 speed you could have all of the gears you needed and you only had to shift once between gears to get where you needed to be. With my 10 speeds I had to make two or three shifts to get to the proper gear and with my 11 speed you spend all of your time shifting and still can't find the right gear without changing into the small ring and going the other way through the cogs.


Latecomer.
Eddy Merckx was an early advocate of Six rather than
everyone else's mere Five.

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Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 10:35:08 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
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Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

This almost looks to me like it's trying to accomplish something similar to Croce d'Aune's "twin axle" RD. Am I off-base?

On 8/28/2020 2:12 PM, Hank wrote:
On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 10:35:08 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://bikerumor.com/2020/08/20/pat...-buttons-more/


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Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

This almost looks to me like it's trying to accomplish something similar to Croce d'Aune's "twin axle" RD. Am I off-base?


Did you mean Chorus A/B for Syncro?
Yes I think this is a further thought from that inception.


Notes:
1. The CHR A/B offered two angles of the parallelogram but
required a wrench to change positions:

http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.as...=108&AbsPos=44

2. Concurrent Cd'I and ATH changers had a ratcheted stop
inside the top pivot rather than a B-screw. Again, changing
that angle required a wrench.

http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.as...=108&AbsPos=32

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Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 11:41:39 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/28/2020 10:16 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 10:35:08 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://bikerumor.com/2020/08/20/pat...-buttons-more/

Maybe the bicycle industry should start paying Lance Armstrong a commission - his demand for an additional climbing gear on his 8 speed and the wannabes immediate copying his ideas and buying entirely new groups started a preposterous trend in cycling that only idiots could miss. With an 8 speed you could have all of the gears you needed and you only had to shift once between gears to get where you needed to be. With my 10 speeds I had to make two or three shifts to get to the proper gear and with my 11 speed you spend all of your time shifting and still can't find the right gear without changing into the small ring and going the other way through the cogs.

Latecomer.
Eddy Merckx was an early advocate of Six rather than
everyone else's mere Five.

Well, my feeing is that increasing the number of speeds was useful up to 8 which gave you access to all of the speeds a sports rider would need And you could tell that increasing the number of speeds didn't do much because after that point, sports riders would be shifting two, three or more times on just normal rides. Yesterday I put in a 45 mile ride with 2500 feet of climbing and shifted three times.

On 8/28/2020 2:39 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 11:41:39 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/28/2020 10:16 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 10:35:08 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://bikerumor.com/2020/08/20/pat...-buttons-more/

Maybe the bicycle industry should start paying Lance Armstrong a commission - his demand for an additional climbing gear on his 8 speed and the wannabes immediate copying his ideas and buying entirely new groups started a preposterous trend in cycling that only idiots could miss. With an 8 speed you could have all of the gears you needed and you only had to shift once between gears to get where you needed to be. With my 10 speeds I had to make two or three shifts to get to the proper gear and with my 11 speed you spend all of your time shifting and still can't find the right gear without changing into the small ring and going the other way through the cogs.

Latecomer.
Eddy Merckx was an early advocate of Six rather than
everyone else's mere Five.

Well, my feeing is that increasing the number of speeds was useful up to 8 which gave you access to all of the speeds a sports rider would need And you could tell that increasing the number of speeds didn't do much because after that point, sports riders would be shifting two, three or more times on just normal rides. Yesterday I put in a 45 mile ride with 2500 feet of climbing and shifted three times.



Why Eight?

Why not four? Plenty enough for il Campionissimo!

Why not old fashioned Eleven? Twelve is just incrementally
different with a ****ant 9% more selections. Five freewheels
offered a huge 25% more choice than Four!

What's so special about Eight?

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Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 28 Aug 2020 15:33:21 -0500,
AMuzi wrote:
On 8/28/2020 2:39 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 11:41:39 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/28/2020 10:16 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 10:35:08 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://bikerumor.com/2020/08/20/pat...-buttons-more/

Maybe the bicycle industry should start paying Lance
Armstrong a commission - his demand for an additional
climbing gear on his 8 speed and the wannabes immediate
copying his ideas and buying entirely new groups started a
preposterous trend in cycling that only idiots could miss.

Latecomer. Eddy Merckx was an early advocate of Six rather
than everyone else's mere Five.

Well, my feeing is that increasing the number of speeds was
useful up to 8 which gave you access to all of the speeds a
sports rider would need And you could tell that increasing the
number of speeds didn't do much because after that point,
sports riders would be shifting two, three or more times on
just normal rides. Yesterday I put in a 45 mile ride with 2500
feet of climbing and shifted three times.

Why Eight?

Why not four? Plenty enough for il Campionissimo!

Come on, Andrew--everyone knows that il is *flat*.

--
Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA

On 8/28/2020 1:33 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/28/2020 2:39 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 11:41:39 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/28/2020 10:16 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 10:35:08 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://bikerumor.com/2020/08/20/pat...-buttons-more/


Maybe the bicycle industry should start paying Lance Armstrong a
commission - his demand for an additional climbing gear on his 8
speed and the wannabes immediate copying his ideas and buying
entirely new groups started a preposterous trend in cycling that
only idiots could miss. With an 8 speed you could have all of the
gears you needed and you only had to shift once between gears to get
where you needed to be. With my 10 speeds I had to make two or three
shifts to get to the proper gear and with my 11 speed you spend all
of your time shifting and still can't find the right gear without
changing into the small ring and going the other way through the cogs.

Latecomer.
Eddy Merckx was an early advocate of Six rather than
everyone else's mere Five.

Well, my feeing is that increasing the number of speeds was useful up
to 8 which gave you access to all of the speeds a sports rider would
need And you could tell that increasing the number of speeds didn't do
much because after that point, sports riders would be shifting two,
three or more times on just normal rides. Yesterday I put in a 45 mile
ride with 2500 feet of climbing and shifted three times.



Why Eight?

Why not four? Plenty enough for il Campionissimo!

Why not old fashioned Eleven? Twelve is just incrementally different
with a ****ant 9% more selections. Five freewheels offered a huge 25%
more choice than Four!

What's so special about Eight?

Well, eight *is* a perfect number.

Mark "It's Greek to me" J.