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why MTB'ing should not be an environmental target
hmmmm, i appreciate environmental issues.....the world is indeed in grave
danger. Would you conclude that mountain biking should be banned all together? I don't think you have done a fair evaluation of mountain biking and here is why: 1) Mountain biking itself is not the main contributor to environmental damage, reckless rider are. 2) Responsible riders will ride on pre-existing trials, such as horse trails, cross-country ski trails etc. I personally don't ever get on my bike and simply plow into the bush and blaze new trails and I don't think many of us do. 3) To have a swimming pool you have to create a special purpose building which consumes enormous amounts of energy to heat, chemicals to treat the water etc, transportation to get to the pool every day. Or running events that require a track that replaces natural areas...and the list goes on. The great thing about mountain biking is that it gives us an oportunity to enjoy the intrinsic value of nature which is important for without the enjoyment of wilderness there is one less motivation to want to protect it. One of the ways to teach childrean about the value of nature is to show it to them so they can appreciate it's beauty. With my MTB I usually don't have to drive anywhere and I don't need a special facility (resource hog) to do it. 4) With all the highways, urban development, polution etc you pick on MTB'ing. Ok so just because there are other bad things in this world doesn't make something else bad OK but it perplexes me why you would single out MTB'ing among all other sports, including those that don't allow us to enjoy wilderness (undeniably important) and require special facilities all over the world (bad for the environment) such as hockey rinks (major CFC emissions). 5) The world may not have as much forest as Canada but don't tell me we don't have room for mountain biking. Personally I consider it far more important to use less paper and choose to live in the city instead of sprawling into newly developed areas. I suppose my point is....yes at some level and because of some radical people, MTB'ing will hurt the environment but please don't use it as an example sport which overshadows far greater concerns. As you pointed out, the Olympics itself is one big environmental problem with people flying in from all over the world, facilities being built, etc. In the end I don't think it will do the world any good to be in their basement running on treadmills made from recycled egg shells. MTB'ing has a place in the olympics and in my opinion (all things considered) does not harm the environment any more than the average sport. May I also point out that the sport of MTB'ing has promoted environmental stewardardship more than any indoor sport. -- Neil Grover |
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On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 16:17:31 -0600, N Grover wrote:
hmmmm, i appreciate environmental issues.....the world is indeed in grave danger. Mike Vandeman is not going to help the environment any more than you're going to help Mike Vandeman. Ignore him, he's a meaningless blowhard. -- -BB- To reply to me, drop the attitude (from my e-mail address, at least) |
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good point, i didn't realize Mike Vandeman had posted so much rubish.
He critisized someone for having a bike addiction.....what a compasionless soul....he will get no where unless he realizes the needs of those whom he lives with in this delicate world, I am sure he has convinced nobody on this cycling forum by attacking them. If only someone could take away his addiction for attacking MTB'ing with little background research or indepth assesment. Ya know, I took an environmental science course at University and I gotta say what loose and un-defined field...rarely used as science it's as much a degree on opinion because in this world we all affect the environment negatively on a regular basis, including Mike. Mike, have you heard of the term "sustainable development"? It's a concept that realizes the needs of humans as well as the environment, i suggest you adopt a similar philosophy before you beat your head into the ground and realize that mountain biking will continue regardless of what you say. Maybe instead you could make a positive impact by trying to get you local government to designate MTB'ing areas, or fix wrecked trails etc. In the mean-time, stop using your PHD status to point fingers and use your science skills for something more applicatble...like bioremdiation or something. I'll end now by saying you have sparked an emotion in me that negativly impacts your cause.......keep it up! Sorry for partaking in your sharade....at this point it feels good. On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 23:04:22 +0000, BB wrote: On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 16:17:31 -0600, N Grover wrote: hmmmm, i appreciate environmental issues.....the world is indeed in grave danger. Mike Vandeman is not going to help the environment any more than you're going to help Mike Vandeman. Ignore him, he's a meaningless blowhard. |
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and finally in response to Mike saying "you have a bike addiction, get
over it", I have one thing to say to you Mike, Bob was just a cat...get over it!! Get my point! |
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"N Grover" wrote in message
news Sorry for partaking in your sharade....at this point it feels good. So does maturbating, but it's not something you do in public! -- Slacker |
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why MTB'ing should not be an environmental target
"N Grover" wrote in message news hmmmm, i appreciate environmental issues.....the world is indeed in grave danger. Would you conclude that mountain biking should be banned all together? I don't think you have done a fair evaluation of mountain biking and here is why: 1) Mountain biking itself is not the main contributor to environmental damage, reckless rider are. 2) Responsible riders will ride on pre-existing trials, such as horse trails, cross-country ski trails etc. I personally don't ever get on my bike and simply plow into the bush and blaze new trails and I don't think many of us do. 3) To have a swimming pool you have to create a special purpose building which consumes enormous amounts of energy to heat, chemicals to treat the water etc, transportation to get to the pool every day. Or running events that require a track that replaces natural areas...and the list goes on. The great thing about mountain biking is that it gives us an oportunity to enjoy the intrinsic value of nature which is important for without the enjoyment of wilderness there is one less motivation to want to protect it. One of the ways to teach childrean about the value of nature is to show it to them so they can appreciate it's beauty. With my MTB I usually don't have to drive anywhere and I don't need a special facility (resource hog) to do it. 4) With all the highways, urban development, polution etc you pick on MTB'ing. Ok so just because there are other bad things in this world doesn't make something else bad OK but it perplexes me why you would single out MTB'ing among all other sports, including those that don't allow us to enjoy wilderness (undeniably important) and require special facilities all over the world (bad for the environment) such as hockey rinks (major CFC emissions). 5) The world may not have as much forest as Canada but don't tell me we don't have room for mountain biking. Personally I consider it far more important to use less paper and choose to live in the city instead of sprawling into newly developed areas. I suppose my point is....yes at some level and because of some radical people, MTB'ing will hurt the environment but please don't use it as an example sport which overshadows far greater concerns. As you pointed out, the Olympics itself is one big environmental problem with people flying in from all over the world, facilities being built, etc. In the end I don't think it will do the world any good to be in their basement running on treadmills made from recycled egg shells. MTB'ing has a place in the olympics and in my opinion (all things considered) does not harm the environment any more than the average sport. May I also point out that the sport of MTB'ing has promoted environmental stewardardship more than any indoor sport. -- Neil Grover Neil, Something you should know is that Mike Vandeman is actually a cartoon character. He was dropped after a brief career with Hanna Barbera in the 70's. His brush with stardom, and subsequent and very unfortunate crash into to depths of the worst type of animated destituion, have left him bitter toward the human race. His posts on this NG ooze a deep rooted contempt of all things human, especially anything to do with humans having fun and staying fit. But the comical genius that once propelled him briefly to the heights of stardom still often shines through in his posts as well! The brilliant use of irony is one example. While millions of automobiles and countless thousands of power plants are belching tons of debris into the air every day, he voraciously attacks moutain bikers for breaking twigs and displacing a family of squirrels somewhere in southern Missouri. Brilliant! Countless other examples of irony and other side splitting, zany rants are posted to this NG nearly daily. Check it out for yourself! Hours of amusement, free of charge. :^) |
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Slacker, you might want to expand on the obvious if you have a point to
make. On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 16:19:02 -0800, Slacker wrote: "N Grover" wrote in message news Sorry for partaking in your sharade....at this point it feels good. So does maturbating, but it's not something you do in public! -- Slacker |
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N Grover wrote:
If only someone could take away his addiction for attacking MTB'ing with little background research or indepth assesment. Ya know, I took an environmental science course at University So did I, but it counts for nothing when you're 'debating' with Mike. http://www.j-harris.net/bike/ambfaq.htm#1.3.1 |
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Come on get off it. You ever get eatten up by a hole
left by a 4 wheel drive truck or jeep. Now thats environmental damage. Then wait till spring after all te snow and ice are gone now, you got small water filled swiming holes in the middle of the trail. Or what hap- pened just a week ago. Due to these moon craters ,murders that drove a car into the woods with a body in the tunk couldn't go deep- er in because of this damage. And the car was spotted a flame soon after from the local Target store parking area. Or what about the new trail head made by some Monster truck. So they enter from I 95. I spotted that in early spring or was it late winter. Fire up MTB 03 |
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why MTB'ing should not be an environmental target
On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:19:02 -0800, "Slacker" wrote:
.."N Grover" wrote in message ..news .. .. Sorry for partaking in your sharade....at this point it feels good. .. .. ..So does maturbating, but it's not something you do in public! Good point. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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