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  #61  
Old February 22nd 18, 04:20 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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On 2/22/2018 6:03 AM, sms wrote:
On 2/19/2018 8:42 AM, Joerg wrote:

snip

Oh, and bright lights do help in such situations. When a car driver
sees some really bright light in the rear view and outside mirror that
does get their attention. Experienced it myself many times, when they
slammed on the brake pedal.


True. Anyone that has good DRLs has experienced the difference. But it's
not 100% of the time.

I've never liked the narrative of "let's pass more laws to make
everything safe for everyone," but education seems to be working on most
people, since most commuters on bicycles, other than students, now are
using DRLs. But last Sunday we were out on a trail and I did not
understand why mountain bikers were using DRLs off-road, since there
were not very many of them around.

Will we ever educate everyone? No. But we did get Frank to buy a good
battery powered light with DRL functionality, the Oculus, so there is
hope for the future of our country.


It's for sale.


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Old February 22nd 18, 04:55 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2/22/2018 9:55 AM, Ralph Barone wrote:
jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 3:03:19 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 2/19/2018 8:42 AM, Joerg wrote:

snip

Oh, and bright lights do help in such situations. When a car driver sees
some really bright light in the rear view and outside mirror that does
get their attention. Experienced it myself many times, when they slammed
on the brake pedal.

True. Anyone that has good DRLs has experienced the difference. But it's
not 100% of the time.

I've never liked the narrative of "let's pass more laws to make
everything safe for everyone," but education seems to be working on most
people, since most commuters on bicycles, other than students, now are
using DRLs. But last Sunday we were out on a trail and I did not
understand why mountain bikers were using DRLs off-road, since there
were not very many of them around.

Will we ever educate everyone? No. But we did get Frank to buy a good
battery powered light with DRL functionality, the Oculus, so there is
hope for the future of our country.


These poor, poor, uneducated riders. No DRLs. They will soon die.
https://d3qvqlc701gzhm.cloudfront.ne...16c80c729f.jpg
These guys, too.
https://bikeportland.org/2011/06/22/...r-photos-55300
All dead.

-- Jay Beattie.


Were there bikes in those pictures? I didn't see any.


I was scared by the helmets. Helmets mean 'danger'.

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Old February 22nd 18, 05:06 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2/22/2018 7:11 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 3:03:19 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 2/19/2018 8:42 AM, Joerg wrote:

snip

Oh, and bright lights do help in such situations. When a car driver sees
some really bright light in the rear view and outside mirror that does
get their attention. Experienced it myself many times, when they slammed
on the brake pedal.


True. Anyone that has good DRLs has experienced the difference. But it's
not 100% of the time.

I've never liked the narrative of "let's pass more laws to make
everything safe for everyone," but education seems to be working on most
people, since most commuters on bicycles, other than students, now are
using DRLs. But last Sunday we were out on a trail and I did not
understand why mountain bikers were using DRLs off-road, since there
were not very many of them around.

Will we ever educate everyone? No. But we did get Frank to buy a good
battery powered light with DRL functionality, the Oculus, so there is
hope for the future of our country.


These poor, poor, uneducated riders. No DRLs. They will soon die. https://d3qvqlc701gzhm.cloudfront.ne...16c80c729f.jpg These guys, too. https://bikeportland.org/2011/06/22/...r-photos-55300
All dead.


I have a friend who was an early member of Price Club and he continually
lavished praise on it. I once asked him, "Tom, how did you live before
Price Club?" He responded, "I survived, but it wasn't much of a life."

As to your photos, where DRLs make the most difference is not riding on
open roads or in bike lanes as you show in those photos, but when
"sharing the road," as many transportational cyclists do. When there's a
bicycle lane I still would use a DRL, but when vehicle drivers see a
bicycle lane they're less likely to do stupid things.

But of course you knew all this, and I suspect that you use a DRL when
commuting.
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Old February 22nd 18, 05:11 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2/21/2018 10:57 AM, AMuzi wrote:

I, for one, would rather NOT ride on kiddy paths, a significant reason
among many being I'm hardly ever going where one exists.


You don't understand that most of the bicycle infrastructure is NOT
"kiddy paths." It is mainly used by commuters during the week. On
weekends you may get some small kids on the first quarter mile from
parking areas, but they don't go much further than that.

You should come ride the American River Trail than runs from Sacramento
to Folsom. A very direct ride from suburbs to employment centers. Ditto
for several long MUPs in Silicon Valley.
  #65  
Old February 22nd 18, 05:19 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2/22/2018 7:53 AM, Joerg wrote:

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Oh, oh, now you are coming with hard facts. That is greatly poo-poo'ed
upon by some here :-)


LOL, I find as I get older that I am less tolerant of people spewing
nonsense like "Danger Danger" and "why don't people wear helmets while
gardening," when they are unable to come up with coherent arguments.

It's understandable why they do this, even though it is not a productive
approach. There are too many people that believe cycling on the road is
far more dangerous than it actually is, and unaware of the steps that
they can take to mitigate the real dangers.
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Old February 22nd 18, 05:30 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2018-02-22 09:11, sms wrote:
On 2/21/2018 10:57 AM, AMuzi wrote:

I, for one, would rather NOT ride on kiddy paths, a significant reason
among many being I'm hardly ever going where one exists.


You don't understand that most of the bicycle infrastructure is NOT
"kiddy paths." It is mainly used by commuters during the week. On
weekends you may get some small kids on the first quarter mile from
parking areas, but they don't go much further than that.

You should come ride the American River Trail than runs from Sacramento
to Folsom. A very direct ride from suburbs to employment centers.



And quite full during rush hour. Also on weekends and holidays. Many of
those are riders who spend money at restaurants and such.

Some cities have wisened up and are increasingly providing connectors to
the trail. Folsom being the leader they will now even connect a rather
distant singletrack to it. Then a bike lane connector from El Dorado
Hills which will likely siphon off some discretionary spending in their
favor. As it should.

The rewards for such smart city leaders are often very visible. For
example, when I cycle by restaurants or cafes and there are a dozen road
bikes parked out front. Here in Cameron Park that simply does not happen
because our village leaders are not as smart.


... Ditto for several long MUPs in Silicon Valley.



Next time I am down there I'll have to load a bike into the car and
explore that. Last time I had a hotel room in Redwood City and that
didn't seem all that bike-friendly. The next trip will probably be to
San Jose, Brooktree area. Any suggestions for a hotel with good bike
path connectivity?

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Old February 22nd 18, 05:30 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 9:07:02 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 2/22/2018 7:11 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 3:03:19 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 2/19/2018 8:42 AM, Joerg wrote:

snip

Oh, and bright lights do help in such situations. When a car driver sees
some really bright light in the rear view and outside mirror that does
get their attention. Experienced it myself many times, when they slammed
on the brake pedal.

True. Anyone that has good DRLs has experienced the difference. But it's
not 100% of the time.

I've never liked the narrative of "let's pass more laws to make
everything safe for everyone," but education seems to be working on most
people, since most commuters on bicycles, other than students, now are
using DRLs. But last Sunday we were out on a trail and I did not
understand why mountain bikers were using DRLs off-road, since there
were not very many of them around.

Will we ever educate everyone? No. But we did get Frank to buy a good
battery powered light with DRL functionality, the Oculus, so there is
hope for the future of our country.


These poor, poor, uneducated riders. No DRLs. They will soon die. https://d3qvqlc701gzhm.cloudfront.ne...16c80c729f.jpg These guys, too. https://bikeportland.org/2011/06/22/...r-photos-55300
All dead.


I have a friend who was an early member of Price Club and he continually
lavished praise on it. I once asked him, "Tom, how did you live before
Price Club?" He responded, "I survived, but it wasn't much of a life."

As to your photos, where DRLs make the most difference is not riding on
open roads or in bike lanes as you show in those photos, but when
"sharing the road," as many transportational cyclists do. When there's a
bicycle lane I still would use a DRL, but when vehicle drivers see a
bicycle lane they're less likely to do stupid things.

But of course you knew all this, and I suspect that you use a DRL when
commuting.


Not when it's sunny. I didn't this morning because of all the light reflecting off the (late season) snow. Plus, with my 50lb studs, I was riding about 10mph. I was in the road, or the snowy shoulder, toe-to-toe with buses and cars. Joerg would have sh** his pants. This is the road, but way more snow today -- and more sun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmgd5rzyeCc&t=71s That puts you in downtown. I tried the pedestrian facility/MUP, but the snow was too deep, and the deep boot print/holes were annoying. That's the deal with physically separate facilities, they don't get plowed or cleaned.

Oh, I had my rear blinky on. It totally saved my life. So did my shoe covers and pocket tool.

-- Jay Beattie.





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Old February 22nd 18, 05:31 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2/22/2018 8:06 AM, Joerg wrote:

That is correct. When neighbors hear about Green Valley Road and my
suggestion to join me for a ride the reactions are between "No" and
"Hell no!". When it's trucking the bikes to a trail head the answer is
often an enthusiastic "Yes". Trucking is something I personally do not
like, I prefer to ride from the garage and not use a car at all if
possible.


+1. While on occasion we do put the bikes on the car, we greatly prefer
not to do that. When it's unbearably hot in Silicon Valley we'll often
go ride our favorite 40 mile coastal ride from Seaside, through
Monterey, Pacific Grove, Pebble Beach, and Carmel, and we do drive there.

Those are the cold hard facts and sticking the head in the sand about
them isn't helpful. Yet that's what some folks do. Luckily few enough
that smart city leaders aren't influenced much by them.


LOL. Could you attend one of our City Council meetings and say that? We
are pretty lucky in my city. We have three people that tend to vote
based on facts when it comes to most issues, two engineers and one
attorney. It's sometimes hard when you hear emotional pleas that have no
basis in fact, especially when they come from your neighbors and from
people you've known for decades whose kids went to school with your
kids, etc..
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Old February 22nd 18, 05:39 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2/22/2018 8:55 AM, AMuzi wrote:

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I was scared by the helmets. Helmets mean 'danger'.


I agree, Any activity where people normally wear helmets should be
illegal. Watching the Olympics, the crashes during men's half-pipe
skiing looked pretty serious, but fortunately both skiers were okay.

What is the purpose of half-pipe skiing? Why can't they ski on normal
terrain? Back in my day, no one wore helmets when skiing. And according
to research, helmets don't prevent all fatal injuries, so why bother
with them, “Wearing a helmet is not going to prevent fatal injury,” said
Dr. Steven Moulton, a surgeon at Children’s who is one of the study’s
authors. “But what it is going to do is lower the risk of sustaining a
serious injury.”

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Old February 22nd 18, 05:47 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2/22/2018 10:11 AM, jbeattie wrote:


These poor, poor, uneducated riders. No DRLs. They will soon die. https://d3qvqlc701gzhm.cloudfront.net


Good God, Joerg! They're riding left of the white line!!! They probably
died minutes after that photo!

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