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Old January 19th 13, 10:22 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq·
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What idiots Oprah and some of the talking heads are!

They actually think homologous blood transfusions help
because they consist of "oxygen-rich" blood. MORONS!

What they really do is increase the number and volume
of red blood cells which in turn increases the absorption
and transport a greater amount of oxygen to the muscles
where it's most needed for the energy production process.

EPO does much the same thing but it takes longer and
doesn't amount to as much volume. It is also easier to
detect than one's own blood cells.

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(homologous blood transfusions WORK)


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Old January 19th 13, 11:05 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On 19/01/2013 21:22, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:

EPO does much the same thing but it takes longer and
doesn't amount to as much volume. It is also easier to
detect than one's own blood cells.


Biological passport takes care of that, that's how they know that LA was lying
about not having doped after 05.
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Old January 19th 13, 11:12 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq·
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"atriage" wrote in message
eb.com...
On 19/01/2013 21:22, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:

EPO does much the same thing but it takes longer and
doesn't amount to as much volume. It is also easier to
detect than one's own blood cells.


Biological passport takes care of that, that's how they know that LA was
lying about not having doped after 05.



All they do is test the 'normal' level of hematocrit. In Lance's case it's
low - around 42%. The upper level allowed is 50%. Above that
and the cyclist may not compete in that race because they feel
the blood is too thick and a heart attack or stroke could result.
The rider isn't sanctioned, however because it is possible for
a non-typical body to naturally produce that much.

Some of us have naturally high hematocrit levels. Mine is normally
between 45 and 47% and I have never supplemented or transfused
in my life to raise it. Is it fair that Lance be handicapped and made to
compete with his normal 42% against my normal 47%? Five percent
makes a HUGE difference. It is not fair. A level playing field is the only
thing that can determine the real winner.

--
Sir Gregory


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Old January 19th 13, 11:58 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
atriage[_8_]
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Default Oxygen rich blood.

On 19/01/2013 22:12, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:
wrote in message
eb.com...
On 19/01/2013 21:22, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:

EPO does much the same thing but it takes longer and
doesn't amount to as much volume. It is also easier to
detect than one's own blood cells.


Biological passport takes care of that, that's how they know that LA was
lying about not having doped after 05.



All they do is test the 'normal' level of hematocrit. In Lance's case it's
low - around 42%. The upper level allowed is 50%. Above that
and the cyclist may not compete in that race because they feel
the blood is too thick and a heart attack or stroke could result.
The rider isn't sanctioned, however because it is possible for
a non-typical body to naturally produce that much.

Some of us have naturally high hematocrit levels. Mine is normally
between 45 and 47%


Try riding in the TdF for two weeks and then see what it is.
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Old January 20th 13, 10:37 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Martin Borsje[_9_]
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Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· submitted this idea :
What idiots Oprah and some of the talking heads are!

They actually think homologous blood transfusions help
because they consist of "oxygen-rich" blood. MORONS!

What they really do is increase the number and volume
of red blood cells which in turn increases the absorption
and transport a greater amount of oxygen to the muscles
where it's most needed for the energy production process.

EPO does much the same thing but it takes longer and
doesn't amount to as much volume. It is also easier to
detect than one's own blood cells.


EPO stimulates the growing of number of "own bloodcells", so in that
aspect there is no difference in detection.

What can be detected in difference between blood doping (I assume this
is always homologous, may be some Russians will fill their own veins
with horse blood) and EPO generated blood is the difference in age
distribution of total of red blood cells and also ratio red cells
against not red blood cells. This analysis however is not so easily
done and historic profiles of the individual are needed, justifying
blood passports.


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Old January 21st 13, 02:44 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Frederick the Great
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Default Oxygen rich blood.

In article om,
atriage wrote:

On 19/01/2013 22:12, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:
wrote in message
eb.com...
On 19/01/2013 21:22, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:

EPO does much the same thing but it takes longer and
doesn't amount to as much volume. It is also easier to
detect than one's own blood cells.


Biological passport takes care of that, that's how they know that LA was
lying about not having doped after 05.



All they do is test the 'normal' level of hematocrit. In Lance's case it's
low - around 42%. The upper level allowed is 50%. Above that
and the cyclist may not compete in that race because they feel
the blood is too thick and a heart attack or stroke could result.
The rider isn't sanctioned, however because it is possible for
a non-typical body to naturally produce that much.

Some of us have naturally high hematocrit levels. Mine is normally
between 45 and 47%


Try riding in the TdF for two weeks and then see what it is.


Mine is rock solid at 49%.

--
Old Fritz
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Old January 21st 13, 09:44 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
atriage[_9_]
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Default Oxygen rich blood.

On 21/01/2013 01:44, Frederick the Great wrote:
In article om,
atriage wrote:

On 19/01/2013 22:12, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:
wrote in message
eb.com...
On 19/01/2013 21:22, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:

EPO does much the same thing but it takes longer and
doesn't amount to as much volume. It is also easier to
detect than one's own blood cells.


Biological passport takes care of that, that's how they know that LA was
lying about not having doped after 05.


All they do is test the 'normal' level of hematocrit. In Lance's case it's
low - around 42%. The upper level allowed is 50%. Above that
and the cyclist may not compete in that race because they feel
the blood is too thick and a heart attack or stroke could result.
The rider isn't sanctioned, however because it is possible for
a non-typical body to naturally produce that much.

Some of us have naturally high hematocrit levels. Mine is normally
between 45 and 47%


Try riding in the TdF for two weeks and then see what it is.


Mine is rock solid at 49%.


Gee is it, which edition of the TdF did you race in?
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Old January 22nd 13, 01:18 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Frederick the Great
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Default Oxygen rich blood.

In article om,
atriage wrote:

On 21/01/2013 01:44, Frederick the Great wrote:
In article om,
atriage wrote:

On 19/01/2013 22:12, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:
wrote in message
eb.com...
On 19/01/2013 21:22, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:

EPO does much the same thing but it takes longer and
doesn't amount to as much volume. It is also easier to
detect than one's own blood cells.


Biological passport takes care of that, that's how they know that LA was
lying about not having doped after 05.


All they do is test the 'normal' level of hematocrit. In Lance's case it's
low - around 42%. The upper level allowed is 50%. Above that
and the cyclist may not compete in that race because they feel
the blood is too thick and a heart attack or stroke could result.
The rider isn't sanctioned, however because it is possible for
a non-typical body to naturally produce that much.

Some of us have naturally high hematocrit levels. Mine is normally
between 45 and 47%

Try riding in the TdF for two weeks and then see what it is.


Mine is rock solid at 49%.


Gee is it, which edition of the TdF did you race in?


Shucks, it does not matter.
What matters is that I never doped.

--
Old Fritz
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Old January 22nd 13, 10:36 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
atriage[_4_]
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Default Oxygen rich blood.

On 22/01/2013 00:18, Frederick the Great wrote:
In article om,
atriage wrote:

On 21/01/2013 01:44, Frederick the Great wrote:
In article om,
atriage wrote:

On 19/01/2013 22:12, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:
wrote in message
eb.com...
On 19/01/2013 21:22, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:

EPO does much the same thing but it takes longer and
doesn't amount to as much volume. It is also easier to
detect than one's own blood cells.


Biological passport takes care of that, that's how they know that LA was
lying about not having doped after 05.


All they do is test the 'normal' level of hematocrit. In Lance's case it's
low - around 42%. The upper level allowed is 50%. Above that
and the cyclist may not compete in that race because they feel
the blood is too thick and a heart attack or stroke could result.
The rider isn't sanctioned, however because it is possible for
a non-typical body to naturally produce that much.

Some of us have naturally high hematocrit levels. Mine is normally
between 45 and 47%

Try riding in the TdF for two weeks and then see what it is.

Mine is rock solid at 49%.


Gee is it, which edition of the TdF did you race in?


Shucks, it does not matter.
What matters is that I never doped.


Could you post bitmaps of your bio passport for the group to peruse?
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Old January 24th 13, 07:20 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Frederick the Great
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Default Oxygen rich blood.

In article om,
atriage wrote:

On 22/01/2013 00:18, Frederick the Great wrote:
In article om,
atriage wrote:

On 21/01/2013 01:44, Frederick the Great wrote:
In article om,
atriage wrote:

On 19/01/2013 22:12, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:
wrote in message
eb.com...
On 19/01/2013 21:22, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:

EPO does much the same thing but it takes longer and
doesn't amount to as much volume. It is also easier to
detect than one's own blood cells.


Biological passport takes care of that, that's how they know that LA was
lying about not having doped after 05.


All they do is test the 'normal' level of hematocrit. In Lance's case it's
low - around 42%. The upper level allowed is 50%. Above that
and the cyclist may not compete in that race because they feel
the blood is too thick and a heart attack or stroke could result.
The rider isn't sanctioned, however because it is possible for
a non-typical body to naturally produce that much.

Some of us have naturally high hematocrit levels. Mine is normally
between 45 and 47%

Try riding in the TdF for two weeks and then see what it is.

Mine is rock solid at 49%.

Gee is it, which edition of the TdF did you race in?


Shucks, it does not matter.
What matters is that I never doped.


Could you post bitmaps of your bio passport for the group to peruse?


Trust me. I never tested positive.

--
Old Fritz
 




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