£22 million wasted on ******s

On 09/03/2011 19:47, Dex wrote:
On 09/03/2011 18:02, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 09/03/2011 15:31, Phil W Lee wrote:
considered Wed, 09 Mar 2011 08:42:51 +0000 the
perfect time to write:

On 09/03/2011 08:01, Mrcheerful wrote:
Dex wrote:
On 09/03/2011 07:15, Mrcheerful wrote:
Dex wrote:
On 08/03/2011 07:58, Mrcheerful wrote:
Dex wrote:
On 08/03/2011 00:42, The Medway Handyman wrote:


High time we stopped listening to these ******s. If they want to
cycle let the spongers pay for it.



Most of the adult ones do, via council tax.


http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/200028/council_tax/1776/paying_your_council_tax/2




What your Council Tax pays for

The Council Tax you pay goes towards the cost of providing a wide
range of services for the people of Manchester. These include:

...

* Maintenance of roads and bridges
* Traffic management and road safety

Some cyclists undoubtedly do pay council and income tax, but how
many are on benefits, hence they pay nothing?



And these same people on benefits get their bins emptied, free
schooling for their kid, access to libraries and the emergency
services if they need them.

Want that lot taken away as well?

absolutely, if you can't afford it: you don't get it.



So some poor sod who was sacked because their employer moved overseas
to avoid a bit of tax deserves to have his house burned down and his
wife die if she accidentally falls down the stars?

How... charitable of you.

why rely on the state to look after you?


It would be nice if unemployment was virtually unheard of and the
minimum wage was £50 per hour, but it's not.

Paying directly for education, roads, hospitals, street lighting and the
multitude of other things the council tax pays for would bankrupt most
workers.


The real decline of this country
came as soon as the Welfare State came in after WW2.


AFAIC that was the day this country came out of the dark ages,
abolishment of the workhouse system for one example.

It might have become an easy answer to some, but it was and still is
there for the benefit (pardon the pun) of the nation as a whole.

I wonder how many people could afford to run a car if the _entire_
medical and social care costs for the people they cripple each year
(an any dependents they may have) had to be funded from motor
insurance.

If the entire amount of tax paid by motorists was spent on roads & not
pinched for other things we could all have our own road.

Have you done the maths?

A mile of new motorway costs £30m, that's £473.50 per inch, then you've got
the maintenance and gritting when the frost comes. Adding all the 58p per
litre tax on fuel and road tax you bought over a year exactly how many inches
did you pay for?

Ah... talking of "doing the maths" (as it seems one must nowadays sometimes
do when trying to communicate with trendy "yoof"): *if only* the tax on a
litre of fuel were as little as 58p (which is well under half the pump price).

Typically, it now costs about £70 to fill a car's tank from empty. Of that
£70, about £55 - £60 is tax (admittedly, that calculation isn't easy to
follow from day to day at the moment, but it's certainly *way* more than the
pitifully inaccurate rate you erroneously try to claim).

And that's a small to medium sized car.

Just *think* how much tax is charged on a tankful for an artic...

Not to mention the fact that motorways pay for themselves (and that's going
by the claims of the *opponents* of mobility, who whinge incessantly about
new motorways "filling up" with traffic).

On 09/03/2011 19:56, JNugent wrote:
On 09/03/2011 19:47, Dex wrote:
On 09/03/2011 18:02, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 09/03/2011 15:31, Phil W Lee wrote:
considered Wed, 09 Mar 2011 08:42:51 +0000 the
perfect time to write:

On 09/03/2011 08:01, Mrcheerful wrote:
Dex wrote:
On 09/03/2011 07:15, Mrcheerful wrote:
Dex wrote:
On 08/03/2011 07:58, Mrcheerful wrote:
Dex wrote:
On 08/03/2011 00:42, The Medway Handyman wrote:


High time we stopped listening to these ******s. If they
want to
cycle let the spongers pay for it.



Most of the adult ones do, via council tax.


http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/200028/council_tax/1776/paying_your_council_tax/2





What your Council Tax pays for

The Council Tax you pay goes towards the cost of providing a
wide
range of services for the people of Manchester. These include:

...

* Maintenance of roads and bridges
* Traffic management and road safety

Some cyclists undoubtedly do pay council and income tax, but how
many are on benefits, hence they pay nothing?



And these same people on benefits get their bins emptied, free
schooling for their kid, access to libraries and the emergency
services if they need them.

Want that lot taken away as well?

absolutely, if you can't afford it: you don't get it.



So some poor sod who was sacked because their employer moved
overseas
to avoid a bit of tax deserves to have his house burned down and his
wife die if she accidentally falls down the stars?

How... charitable of you.

why rely on the state to look after you?


It would be nice if unemployment was virtually unheard of and the
minimum wage was £50 per hour, but it's not.

Paying directly for education, roads, hospitals, street lighting
and the
multitude of other things the council tax pays for would bankrupt most
workers.


The real decline of this country
came as soon as the Welfare State came in after WW2.


AFAIC that was the day this country came out of the dark ages,
abolishment of the workhouse system for one example.

It might have become an easy answer to some, but it was and still is
there for the benefit (pardon the pun) of the nation as a whole.

I wonder how many people could afford to run a car if the _entire_
medical and social care costs for the people they cripple each year
(an any dependents they may have) had to be funded from motor
insurance.

If the entire amount of tax paid by motorists was spent on roads & not
pinched for other things we could all have our own road.

Have you done the maths?

A mile of new motorway costs £30m, that's £473.50 per inch, then
you've got
the maintenance and gritting when the frost comes. Adding all the 58p per
litre tax on fuel and road tax you bought over a year exactly how many
inches
did you pay for?

Ah... talking of "doing the maths" (as it seems one must nowadays
sometimes do when trying to communicate with trendy "yoof"): *if only*
the tax on a litre of fuel were as little as 58p (which is well under
half the pump price).

Typically, it now costs about £70 to fill a car's tank from empty. Of
that £70, about £55 - £60 is tax (admittedly, that calculation isn't
easy to follow from day to day at the moment, but it's certainly *way*
more than the pitifully inaccurate rate you erroneously try to claim).


Lowering to name calling and personal attack noted.


I'm not trying to 'claim' anything. I check first, and not from the
likes of the Daily Wail.


http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/budget2010/march/bn58.pdf




And that's a small to medium sized car.

Just *think* how much tax is charged on a tankful for an artic...

Not to mention the fact that motorways pay for themselves

How so?

On 09/03/2011 20:06, Dex wrote:
On 09/03/2011 19:56, JNugent wrote:
On 09/03/2011 19:47, Dex wrote:
On 09/03/2011 18:02, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 09/03/2011 15:31, Phil W Lee wrote:
considered Wed, 09 Mar 2011 08:42:51 +0000 the
perfect time to write:

On 09/03/2011 08:01, Mrcheerful wrote:
Dex wrote:
On 09/03/2011 07:15, Mrcheerful wrote:
Dex wrote:
On 08/03/2011 07:58, Mrcheerful wrote:
Dex wrote:
On 08/03/2011 00:42, The Medway Handyman wrote:


High time we stopped listening to these ******s. If they
want to
cycle let the spongers pay for it.



Most of the adult ones do, via council tax.


http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/200028/council_tax/1776/paying_your_council_tax/2






What your Council Tax pays for

The Council Tax you pay goes towards the cost of providing a
wide
range of services for the people of Manchester. These include:

...

* Maintenance of roads and bridges
* Traffic management and road safety

Some cyclists undoubtedly do pay council and income tax, but how
many are on benefits, hence they pay nothing?



And these same people on benefits get their bins emptied, free
schooling for their kid, access to libraries and the emergency
services if they need them.

Want that lot taken away as well?

absolutely, if you can't afford it: you don't get it.



So some poor sod who was sacked because their employer moved
overseas
to avoid a bit of tax deserves to have his house burned down and his
wife die if she accidentally falls down the stars?

How... charitable of you.

why rely on the state to look after you?


It would be nice if unemployment was virtually unheard of and the
minimum wage was £50 per hour, but it's not.

Paying directly for education, roads, hospitals, street lighting
and the
multitude of other things the council tax pays for would bankrupt most
workers.


The real decline of this country
came as soon as the Welfare State came in after WW2.


AFAIC that was the day this country came out of the dark ages,
abolishment of the workhouse system for one example.

It might have become an easy answer to some, but it was and still is
there for the benefit (pardon the pun) of the nation as a whole.

I wonder how many people could afford to run a car if the _entire_
medical and social care costs for the people they cripple each year
(an any dependents they may have) had to be funded from motor
insurance.

If the entire amount of tax paid by motorists was spent on roads & not
pinched for other things we could all have our own road.

Have you done the maths?

A mile of new motorway costs £30m, that's £473.50 per inch, then
you've got
the maintenance and gritting when the frost comes. Adding all the 58p per
litre tax on fuel and road tax you bought over a year exactly how many
inches did you pay for?

Ah... talking of "doing the maths" (as it seems one must nowadays
sometimes do when trying to communicate with trendy "yoof"): *if only*
the tax on a litre of fuel were as little as 58p (which is well under
half the pump price).

Typically, it now costs about £70 to fill a car's tank from empty. Of
that £70, about £55 - £60 is tax (admittedly, that calculation isn't
easy to follow from day to day at the moment, but it's certainly *way*
more than the pitifully inaccurate rate you erroneously try to claim).

Lowering to name calling and personal attack noted.

What name-calling? What personal attack?

I'm not trying to 'claim' anything. I check first, and not from the likes of
the Daily Wail.
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/budget2010/march/bn58.pdf

Well, it's wrong. Since then, there have been several duty increases which
were planned for in that very budget) and a rise in VAT, which is applied on
the duty as well as on the factor cost.

There might be a clue in the date.

And that's a small to medium sized car.
Just *think* how much tax is charged on a tankful for an artic...
Not to mention the fact that motorways pay for themselves

How so?

That was explained in the bit you snipped.

Do you still insist that the tax on fuel is only 58p a litre?

On 09/03/2011 20:17, JNugent wrote:
On 09/03/2011 20:06, Dex wrote:
On 09/03/2011 19:56, JNugent wrote:
On 09/03/2011 19:47, Dex wrote:
On 09/03/2011 18:02, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 09/03/2011 15:31, Phil W Lee wrote:
considered Wed, 09 Mar 2011 08:42:51 +0000 the
perfect time to write:

On 09/03/2011 08:01, Mrcheerful wrote:
Dex wrote:
On 09/03/2011 07:15, Mrcheerful wrote:
Dex wrote:
On 08/03/2011 07:58, Mrcheerful wrote:
Dex wrote:
On 08/03/2011 00:42, The Medway Handyman wrote:


High time we stopped listening to these ******s. If they
want to
cycle let the spongers pay for it.



Most of the adult ones do, via council tax.


http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/200028/council_tax/1776/paying_your_council_tax/2







What your Council Tax pays for

The Council Tax you pay goes towards the cost of providing a
wide
range of services for the people of Manchester. These include:

...

* Maintenance of roads and bridges
* Traffic management and road safety

Some cyclists undoubtedly do pay council and income tax, but
how
many are on benefits, hence they pay nothing?



And these same people on benefits get their bins emptied, free
schooling for their kid, access to libraries and the emergency
services if they need them.

Want that lot taken away as well?

absolutely, if you can't afford it: you don't get it.



So some poor sod who was sacked because their employer moved
overseas
to avoid a bit of tax deserves to have his house burned down
and his
wife die if she accidentally falls down the stars?

How... charitable of you.

why rely on the state to look after you?


It would be nice if unemployment was virtually unheard of and the
minimum wage was £50 per hour, but it's not.

Paying directly for education, roads, hospitals, street lighting
and the
multitude of other things the council tax pays for would bankrupt
most
workers.


The real decline of this country
came as soon as the Welfare State came in after WW2.


AFAIC that was the day this country came out of the dark ages,
abolishment of the workhouse system for one example.

It might have become an easy answer to some, but it was and still is
there for the benefit (pardon the pun) of the nation as a whole.

I wonder how many people could afford to run a car if the _entire_
medical and social care costs for the people they cripple each year
(an any dependents they may have) had to be funded from motor
insurance.

If the entire amount of tax paid by motorists was spent on roads & not
pinched for other things we could all have our own road.

Have you done the maths?

A mile of new motorway costs £30m, that's £473.50 per inch, then
you've got
the maintenance and gritting when the frost comes. Adding all the
58p per
litre tax on fuel and road tax you bought over a year exactly how many
inches did you pay for?

Ah... talking of "doing the maths" (as it seems one must nowadays
sometimes do when trying to communicate with trendy "yoof"): *if only*
the tax on a litre of fuel were as little as 58p (which is well under
half the pump price).

Typically, it now costs about £70 to fill a car's tank from empty. Of
that £70, about £55 - £60 is tax (admittedly, that calculation isn't
easy to follow from day to day at the moment, but it's certainly *way*
more than the pitifully inaccurate rate you erroneously try to claim).

Lowering to name calling and personal attack noted.

What name-calling? What personal attack?

I'm not trying to 'claim' anything. I check first, and not from the
likes of
the Daily Wail.
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/budget2010/march/bn58.pdf

Well, it's wrong. Since then, there have been several duty increases
which were planned for in that very budget) and a rise in VAT, which is
applied on the duty as well as on the factor cost.


The rises were mentioned in the document, I dont recal the coalition
raising duty by 10p in one go at any point.


There might be a clue in the date.

Which mentioned the rise in January this year.


And that's a small to medium sized car.
Just *think* how much tax is charged on a tankful for an artic...
Not to mention the fact that motorways pay for themselves

How so?

That was explained in the bit you snipped.

"filling up" is no way to explain how a motorway pays for itself.


Do you still insist that the tax on fuel is only 58p a litre?


Here is another source

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/mar/02/uk-1p-fuel-duty-rise-dropped-petrol-prices

"Fuel duty was raised on 1 January to 59.85p a litre,"



Don't use VAT as an reason for extra tax on motorists, it is a separate
tax. Don't use the recent unrest in the middle east and rise of Crude to
explain how much extra fuel duty *we* pay either...


Yes, surprise surprise. I'm a motorist too, haven't used a push bike
since the early 80s.

JNugent wrote:
On 09/03/2011 16:45, Tony Raven wrote:

wrote:

That may or may not be good to know (though it certainly doesn't apply to
me). What I'd really like to know is how I can use my car on the roads of
the UK without paying about £4.50 a gallon in excise duty and VAT.

http://www.teslamotors.com/models

That's not my car.

Well make it your car and you can stop whinging about having to pay "road
tax" and fuel excise duty & tax.

--
Tony

On 09/03/2011 19:47, Dex wrote:
On 09/03/2011 18:02, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 09/03/2011 15:31, Phil W Lee wrote:
considered Wed, 09 Mar 2011 08:42:51 +0000 the
perfect time to write:

On 09/03/2011 08:01, Mrcheerful wrote:
Dex wrote:
On 09/03/2011 07:15, Mrcheerful wrote:
Dex wrote:
On 08/03/2011 07:58, Mrcheerful wrote:
Dex wrote:
On 08/03/2011 00:42, The Medway Handyman wrote:


High time we stopped listening to these ******s. If they want to
cycle let the spongers pay for it.



Most of the adult ones do, via council tax.


http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/200028/council_tax/1776/paying_your_council_tax/2




What your Council Tax pays for

The Council Tax you pay goes towards the cost of providing a wide
range of services for the people of Manchester. These include:

...

* Maintenance of roads and bridges
* Traffic management and road safety

Some cyclists undoubtedly do pay council and income tax, but how
many are on benefits, hence they pay nothing?



And these same people on benefits get their bins emptied, free
schooling for their kid, access to libraries and the emergency
services if they need them.

Want that lot taken away as well?

absolutely, if you can't afford it: you don't get it.



So some poor sod who was sacked because their employer moved overseas
to avoid a bit of tax deserves to have his house burned down and his
wife die if she accidentally falls down the stars?

How... charitable of you.

why rely on the state to look after you?


It would be nice if unemployment was virtually unheard of and the
minimum wage was £50 per hour, but it's not.

Paying directly for education, roads, hospitals, street lighting and
the
multitude of other things the council tax pays for would bankrupt most
workers.


The real decline of this country
came as soon as the Welfare State came in after WW2.


AFAIC that was the day this country came out of the dark ages,
abolishment of the workhouse system for one example.


It might have become an easy answer to some, but it was and still is
there for the benefit (pardon the pun) of the nation as a whole.

I wonder how many people could afford to run a car if the _entire_
medical and social care costs for the people they cripple each year
(an any dependents they may have) had to be funded from motor
insurance.

If the entire amount of tax paid by motorists was spent on roads & not
pinched for other things we could all have our own road.



Have you done the maths?

I have. I've learned how to multiply 33,000,000 x 10,000.

A mile of new motorway costs £30m, that's £473.50 per inch, then you've
got the maintenance and gritting when the frost comes. Adding all the
58p per litre tax on fuel and road tax you bought over a year exactly
how many inches did you pay for?


58p a litre? On which planet?

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 09/03/2011 17:50, Simon Mason wrote:
On Mar 9, 5:17 pm, wrote:

But wait, there are other tax-dodgers out there. Cars built before
1973 are classified as historic and are exempt from VED.

Making me feel all nostalgic about the 1st car I owned, a K (1971) reg
Vauxhall Viva.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Mine was a 1969 G Austin 1300.

Classic ******* car.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 09/03/2011 18:23, Simon Mason wrote:
On Mar 9, 6:09 pm, The Medway
wrote:

****wit. You cannot drive a (non exempt) car legally on the road
without paying road tax. If you take the car off the road& SORN it you
don't have to pay road tax.

Notice how "non exempt" has now started to creep in.
Medway finally admits that there are drivers on the roads who have
paid no "road tax" at all.
Progress of sorts.

****wit. the reason 'non exempt' has crept in is because ******s like
you, when faced with trying to justify that you are spongers, always
come up with wanky exemptions.

The VAST MAJORITY of cars are subject to ROAD TAX ******.


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Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 09/03/2011 19:20, Ian Smith wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar, The Medway wrote:

****wit. You cannot drive a (non exempt) car legally on the road
without paying road tax.

Shock realisation for handy: you have to pay VED to use a car you have
to pay VED to use.

Gosh. Who would ever have imagined it? I for one am glad he posted
to share this insight with us.

Tomorrow he might grasp that you don't have to pay VED to use the cars
you don't have to pay VED to use, but one step at a time, ehh.

Has anyone got the vaguest idea what this ****ing idiot is on about?


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 09/03/2011 18:13, Simon Mason wrote:
On Mar 9, 5:46 pm, Ian wrote:

Oh no, you wouldn't do that, even though you've quoted me talking
about vehicle excise duty and then you started talking about duty on
fuel, even though I said nothing about fuel duty in that post, and the
point I was replying to was about VED and not fuel taxes.


It's a classic driver's side step when they get caught out when you
show that millions of motor vehicles are totally exempt from VED.

OK SFB's, lets see some proof that 'millions' of vehicles are exempt
from Road Tax.

There are few exceptions, if you are prepared to drive an antique or a
dodgem car, but I have no doubt you can tell everyone exactly how many
vehicles are exempt.

And don't talk about 'side steps' - cyclists are past masters at it.




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Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk