About Trek liquids

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See previous post. Bikes were attached properly. Problem=design
flaw.

Yeah, blame it on a "design flaw". You're funny.


Well, each bike was attached at a different time, by different people,
yet
both were coming off. The design incorporates a lot of "bounce" due to
the
hinge feature that allows fold-down for SUV hatchbacks. We'd
double-checked
installation to ensure that it had been done correctly as well. This is
the
first time this particular rack had been on the freeway. The rack
bounced
the bikes right off the end . .

cc

Hmmm, every non-egghead I know who uses a rack like that backs up the
fastening system with straps or bungees. Now go back to your books.


You are such a jackass, JD. Only you (or MV) could judge someone solely by
their email address. Grow up.

Slacker wrote:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:18:43 GMT, S o r n i
wrote:

JD wrote:
Where I went to high school, the surfers got all of the "cutest
girls".


I know absolutely nothing about this :-) :-)


In my school, it was the euphonium / valve trombone player, who also
lettered in golf despite never breaking 90.

Bill "perfectly accurate memory of all events at all times" S.


Alright, what the heck does "lettered" mean, or are you guys
misspelling littered?!?!?!

Are you serial? It means earning a big fuzzy letter to put on an ugly wool
jacket with leather(like) sleeves. (Thus the term, Letterman's Jacket.)

Bill "but it was making All-State and All-Eastern Bands that /really/
impressed the chicks" S.

"S o r n i" wrote in message
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Slacker wrote:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:18:43 GMT, S o r n i
wrote:

JD wrote:
Where I went to high school, the surfers got all of the "cutest
girls".


I know absolutely nothing about this :-) :-)


In my school, it was the euphonium / valve trombone player, who also
lettered in golf despite never breaking 90.

Bill "perfectly accurate memory of all events at all times" S.


Alright, what the heck does "lettered" mean, or are you guys
misspelling littered?!?!?!

Are you serial? It means earning a big fuzzy letter to put on an ugly
wool
jacket with leather(like) sleeves. (Thus the term, Letterman's Jacket.)

Bill "but it was making All-State and All-Eastern Bands that /really/
impressed the chicks" S.


This thread has been highly amusing. And if half of it is true theres a
helluva lot more differences between America and the UK than I realised...

Steve.

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:31:05 +0100, spademan o---[) * wrote:

This thread has been highly amusing. And if half of it is true theres a
helluva lot more differences between America and the UK than I realised...

You mean the part about jocks, the part about bike racks, or the part
about Treks?

I find it hard to believe that football players in the UK are any better
behaved than football players in the US (and its not even the same
football).

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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:02:25 -0400, Dan Volker wrote:

Each major sport creates its own dynamics....As to your comment, I've never
had any football player act confrontationally to me off the field--in
person. Have you?

Oh hell yes - I went to high school. I never had one actually show when I
offered up a time & place for a fight, though.

And I saw plenty of college players act like children, and lived in Dallas
while the Cowboys managed to win two super bowls with players on
probation for rape & drug use.

Model citizens, these guys.

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"Marty" wrote in message
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As to the military angle, if he talked like this in bars with Navy,
Marines
or Army guys, its pretty likely he'd have gotten his ass kicked
regularly,
and at the very least, he would have been ( would still be)
visiting
the
brig on a regular basis. More likely, if he does hang out with other
military types, he talks differently than he does on AMB.

I don't think you have a clue how people of certain backgrounds and
capabilities interact.
If you did you would understand that there is a camaraderie within
certain
groups
(especially Special Opns). It's rough; it's loud; and it's sometimes
physical.

I would argue that it's your SEAL friends who act differently around
YOU.

Marty

In this case, we are not talking about a situation where any camaraderie
exists---the posts here in comparison, are to near total strangers. I
doubt
you are trying to say that SEALs that are wondering around within the
public, typically are rough, loud, and physical to people they don't
know.

Dan





I know SEALS who are all of that and more but no that's not what I'm
saying.

You missed my point but for the life of me I don't feel like explaining
it...............

Marty

I did not miss the other point you were suggesting---it just does not apply
to me. And you're not going to know until you or someone you trust actually
runs into me in person.

Dan V

"spademan o---[\) *" cc.gov.uk wrote in message ...
This thread has been highly amusing. And if half of it is true theres a
helluva lot more differences between America and the UK than I realised...

The fact of the matter is that there are a helluva lot of differences
between Vo2lker's fantasyland and the rest of the USA. It's pretty
sad, in an amusing way.

JD

"spademan o---[\) *" cc.gov.uk wrote in message ...
This thread has been highly amusing. And if half of it is true theres a
helluva lot more differences between America and the UK than I realised...

The fact of the matter is that there are a helluva lot of differences
between Vo2lker's fantasyland and the rest of the USA. It's pretty
sad, in an amusing way.

JD

"BB" wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:02:25 -0400, Dan Volker wrote:

Each major sport creates its own dynamics....As to your comment, I've
never
had any football player act confrontationally to me off the field--in
person. Have you?

Oh hell yes - I went to high school. I never had one actually show when I
offered up a time & place for a fight, though.

And I saw plenty of college players act like children, and lived in Dallas
while the Cowboys managed to win two super bowls with players on
probation for rape & drug use.

Model citizens, these guys.

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I would agree that Pro ball is nearly always going to be bad for an
athlete's behavior---the money, the fan worship, etc.
College ball can be the start of this in some people, but does not have to
be...I don't think I would make a statement that college ball is something
that would make a 30 or 40 year old better off ( as having better social
skills) , because of it.

Highshool ball is another issue. The best players can get spoiled, but most
players will learn more good than bad.....This whole thread is about what
two strangers will say to each other in an argument or discussion. If you
played highschool football, you learned that if you shove someone, you are
going to get shoved back--and what it feels like. You will know all about
planning to hit someone, and expecting to be hit.
The nerd on the chess club--as the flip side, does not experience physical
retaliation for his attacks, and without this as a consequence, and without
experiencing the crushing physical impacts, he has a flawed view of
"consequences" in a confrontation. He can make threats, and fear only words
coming back at him. The football player, the baseball player, the wrestler,
even the pole vaulter, are going to exist in a world where if they cross a
certain line in the sand, as to how far they can push in an argument, they
are going to experience some physical impacts---impacts the chess nerd could
not imagine ( in any functional way) , dishing out or receiving.

This is a physical dynamic that "exists" when we meet with people in person,
but it is frequently missing within NG discussion forums.
I am not saying it is OK for me to intimidate a smaller guy, because I can ,
and have had the experience in Highschool----what I am saying is that
because I've had plenty of physical confrontations, mostly in the course of
sports where this was part of the sport, I don't tend to "push" someone I
don't know to the point of wanting to fight....The chess club nerd may not
have any idea where this line is, or what the ramifications would be if a
fight ensued. Moreover, they do not see words as leading to a fight, whereas
in real life, the words they would use "would" lead to a fight. This is the
dysfunction--the talk that goes way over the line, meaning they expect no
consequences, because in all their life, they never run into situations
where consequences exist.

In AMB, as long as someone like JD is tolerated by the group, he gets to
talk his talk without consequences. Killfiling him is basically tolerating
him. If 40 people slammed him every time he made an unprovoked attack, this
would either take up so much of his time in responding that it would be
negative reinforcement, or he would at least be more likely to see himself
as a butthead. This begs the question---"Does MV see himself as a butthead?"
and the answer would be no, since he's a sick, neurotic ******* that makes
JD look like a role model. Sick people like MV are a case entirely separate,
and ignoring him would seem to be the only solution.

Dan V

BB Wrote:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:02:25 -0400, Dan Volker wrote:

Each major sport creates its own dynamics....As to your comment,
I've never
had any football player act confrontationally to me off the
field--in
person. Have you?

Oh hell yes - I went to high school. I never had one actually show
when I
offered up a time & place for a fight, though.

And I saw plenty of college players act like children, and lived in
Dallas
while the Cowboys managed to win two super bowls with players on
probation for rape & drug use.

Model citizens, these guys.

--
-BB-
To reply to me, drop the attitude (from my e-mail address, at least)


I'd be offended, if it weren't true on way too many levels. Having
played a "bit" of ball (H.S., college, some bull**** semi-pro) I can't
find a lot of things about any of the experiences that translate to
things I am proud about in today's "Kraig" other than being a team
player (you know), being stubborn, and dealing with adversity well.

I think we all realize not all ballers are *******s, but there are
enough to spoil the barrel I guess. It's the "god complex" we bestow
on them when they are ultra-good. We excuse personality faults since
they are good at something other than being a human. We do this with
not just athletes, but celebs in general at all levels whether it be on
a global scale or on a much smaller NG scale.

K.


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ireman_1