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On Mar 24, 2:23 pm, "nash" wrote:
If you are not going to have an injury, why wear a helmet? Should we put that on your tomb stone bud? If you like that idea, Nash, you should campaign to have it etched in the tombstone of _every_ head injury fatality victim. Remember, you'll be doing 50 times as many motorists as cyclists. You'll be doing 40 times as many people who fall around their own homes. The cyclists are going to be less than one percent of the total. - Frank Krygowski |
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On Mar 24, 1:03 pm, wrote:
On 24 Mar 2007 08:46:28 -0700, wrote: On Mar 24, 11:14 am, "nash" wrote: There was a Surrey youth years ago that always wore his helmut while roller blading. One day while just going up and down his driveway he decided not to and he fell, bumped his head and died. It just takes one time. He was an experienced rollerblader too. It just takes one time, all right. Now go look up the _other_ head injury fatalities in Surrey - or in Britain - or in the US - or in Australia, or New Zealand, or any other developed country. What's the major source of head injury fatalities? Nearly half of them happen inside cars. That's the number one source, despite seat belts and air bags and anti-lock brakes. Fully 99% of them (at least in the US) do _not_ happen on bikes (or on rollerblades, for that matter). Yes, it only takes one time. And 99% of those "one times" have nothing to do with bikes. But people continue to pretend that bikes are the major danger. How odd. And worse, some who should know better (we have ozark) call for MHL's "we have ozark" what, "j"? Calling you a liar? Yep, you're a liar. Calling you an obsessed nutball? Yep, you're an obsessed nutball. I think eveyone can see that you're nuttier than the holiday fruitcake. |
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On Mar 24, 12:45 pm, "di" wrote:
wrote in message Let's ask Bill a math question: How many miles at typical cycling speeds per fatality - given that there is approximately one fatality per 450 years of cycling 24 hours a day, non-stop. It really sucks if you are that one, so I'll wear my helmet. Hmm. Not into math, I see. Still, di, you can certainly understand that non-bicycle head injuries are 99% of the problem, right? Can you understand that per hour, the head injury risk of cycling is quite normal and not at all excessive? So if you're engaged in the other things that cause lots more head injuries - things like riding in a car, or walking around the home - does it somehow not suck if you get a serious or fatal head injury? - Frank Krygowski |
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wrote in message ups.com... On Mar 24, 12:45 pm, "di" wrote: wrote in message Let's ask Bill a math question: How many miles at typical cycling speeds per fatality - given that there is approximately one fatality per 450 years of cycling 24 hours a day, non-stop. It really sucks if you are that one, so I'll wear my helmet. Hmm. Not into math, I see. Still, di, you can certainly understand that non-bicycle head injuries are 99% of the problem, right? What problem? Can you understand that per hour, the head injury risk of cycling is quite normal and not at all excessive? It only takes one injury, then anything normal is gone forever. So if you're engaged in the other things that cause lots more head injuries - things like riding in a car, or walking around the home - does it somehow not suck if you get a serious or fatal head injury? Would you feel better if we wore helments when riding in a car? If I remember correctly, we have other protection, seat belts, air bags, hard metal all around us, all which is not available on a bicycle. - Frank Krygowski This all would really be humorus if you guys weren't so obsessively serious. I supposed you would also try to play sports without proper protective equipment, drive without seatbelts, refuse to wear eye protection when using power equipment, etc. |
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On Mar 24, 4:54 pm, "Bill Sornson" wrote:
wrote: On Mar 24, 12:45 pm, "di" wrote: wrote in message Let's ask Bill a math question: How many miles at typical cycling speeds per fatality - given that there is approximately one fatality per 450 years of cycling 24 hours a day, non-stop. It really sucks if you are that one, so I'll wear my helmet. Hmm. Not into math, I see. Still, di, you can certainly understand that non-bicycle head injuries are 99% of the problem, right? Can you understand that per hour, the head injury risk of cycling is quite normal and not at all excessive? So if you're engaged in the other things that cause lots more head injuries - things like riding in a car, or walking around the home - does it somehow not suck if you get a serious or fatal head injury? Gee, can anyone spot the flaw in /that/ "logic"?!? LOL HINT: Think TOTAL NUMBERS. How many more drivers and passengers are there than cyclists? How many more RESIDENTS are there than cyclists? Does a higher percentage of bike riders get injured than of drivers? Home-dwellers? Of course it does. That's why they make protective gear for various activities. Avail yourself of it, or don't. Who cares? "Who cares?" That's easy for you - a normal guy with something going on in your life - to say. But think of poor lil' Franky Krygowski.....without his anti-helmet crusade, the sad old duffer has absolutely *nothing* going on in his life. It gives him a reason to get out of bed each morning. So, of course he CARES. Why else would he drone on and on and on, again and again and again with the same-same- same regugitated bull**** about how helmets are ruining everyone's life? |
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:54:36 -0800, "Bill Sornson"
wrote: wrote: On Mar 24, 12:45 pm, "di" wrote: wrote in message Let's ask Bill a math question: How many miles at typical cycling speeds per fatality - given that there is approximately one fatality per 450 years of cycling 24 hours a day, non-stop. It really sucks if you are that one, so I'll wear my helmet. Hmm. Not into math, I see. Still, di, you can certainly understand that non-bicycle head injuries are 99% of the problem, right? Can you understand that per hour, the head injury risk of cycling is quite normal and not at all excessive? So if you're engaged in the other things that cause lots more head injuries - things like riding in a car, or walking around the home - does it somehow not suck if you get a serious or fatal head injury? Gee, can anyone spot the flaw in /that/ "logic"?!? LOL HINT: Think TOTAL NUMBERS. Oh oh. Bill Sornson doing numbers; this spells trouble, folks... How many more drivers and passengers are there than cyclists? How many more RESIDENTS are there than cyclists? Does a higher percentage of bike riders get injured than of drivers? Home-dwellers? Of course it does. Well, not, a higher percentage of cyclists does NOT get injured than drivers, or home dwellers. Odds of dying due to injury per year of activity (that's a bit under 9000 hours) are pedalcyclist - one in 381963 car occupant - one in 18412 falls involving bed,chair, or other furniture - one in 347076 (this last is only a _single_ one of the many categories of possible death causes for home-dwellers) source: http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm Now, of course, these are figures from just the USofA, and those are based only on the death rate among the population for one year (2003), so the numbers may be different in other countries or other years - but from the above numbers, cycling injuries are roughly twenty times less likely to result in death than those sustained in motorvehicle accidents. Of course, it could be argured that the above reflects just _death_ rates - but injury rates also show the same disparity: injury per 1 million population cycles 453, cars 987 injury per 1 million miles cycles 15, cars 99 source: http://neptune.spacebears.com/opine/helmets.html Now Bill, time to dust off that trusty calculator...but remember to count how many digits it has (using you fingers is allowed, as is counting out loud - nobody's watching). |
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wrote in message ... On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:54:36 -0800, "Bill Sornson" wrote: Of course, it could be argured that the above reflects just _death_ rates - but injury rates also show the same disparity: injury per 1 million population cycles 453, cars 987 What's the numbers, out of 1 million population, may be 990,000+ ride in cars, maybe 1,000 ride cycles. |
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