What American Cities are Missing: Bikes by the Thousands

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As Calcutta outlaws pedicabs, they are now fashionable with the New
Urbanist crowd. You can take home some stuff on one, if you agree to
walk next to it. That ought to please those who want to go back in
time.


Pedicabs are popular enough in New York that the city council has
enacted regulations for them.

http://www.newsday.com/search/sns-ap...,2759553.story

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John Mara


Yes, just as the third world is getting rid of such exploitation of
workers, NYC is starting up with its hazy visions of great the past used
to be.


"exploitation of workers"? Ridiculous! It's called capitalism and it's not
exploitative. I sometimes agree with you but your wrong this time.


But the reason I posted is why major cities in the third world are
getting rid of pedicabs. That is the reason given there. I think it
applies here too.

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george conklin wrote:


As Calcutta outlaws pedicabs, they are now fashionable with the New
Urbanist crowd. You can take home some stuff on one, if you agree to
walk next to it. That ought to please those who want to go back in
time.


Pedicabs are popular enough in New York that the city council has
enacted regulations for them.

http://www.newsday.com/search/sns-ap...,2759553.story

--
John Mara


Yes, just as the third world is getting rid of such exploitation of
workers, NYC is starting up with its hazy visions of great the past used
to be.


"exploitation of workers"? Ridiculous! It's called capitalism and it's not
exploitative. I sometimes agree with you but your wrong this time.

George only likes market forces when they encourage things he likes
anyway...

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says...

Yes, just as the third world is getting rid of such exploitation of
workers, NYC is starting up with its hazy visions of great the past used to
be.

Having ridden pedicabs in New Delhi and in Vancouver, B.C., among other
cities, I wouldn't compare the two labor environments.

If a country doesn't have effective enforcement of worker's rights, and
even still has pockets of indentured servitude and slavery, it could be
that banning a particular occupation might be the only way to eliminate
a particular form of exploitation.

I'd have no qualms about "exploiting" a U.S. or Canadian pedicab
operator.

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george conklin wrote:


As Calcutta outlaws pedicabs, they are now fashionable with the New
Urbanist crowd. You can take home some stuff on one, if you agree to
walk next to it. That ought to please those who want to go back in
time.


Pedicabs are popular enough in New York that the city council has
enacted regulations for them.

http://www.newsday.com/search/sns-ap...,2759553.story

--
John Mara


Yes, just as the third world is getting rid of such exploitation of
workers, NYC is starting up with its hazy visions of great the past used
to be.


"exploitation of workers"? Ridiculous! It's called capitalism and it's
not exploitative. I sometimes agree with you but your wrong this time.

George only likes market forces when they encourage things he likes
anyway...

Well doesn't everyone? That's the purpose of market forces... to encourage
"things you like".

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.net...
In article .net,
says...

Yes, just as the third world is getting rid of such exploitation of
workers, NYC is starting up with its hazy visions of great the past used
to
be.

Having ridden pedicabs in New Delhi and in Vancouver, B.C., among other
cities, I wouldn't compare the two labor environments.

If a country doesn't have effective enforcement of worker's rights, and
even still has pockets of indentured servitude and slavery, it could be
that banning a particular occupation might be the only way to eliminate
a particular form of exploitation.

I'd have no qualms about "exploiting" a U.S. or Canadian pedicab
operator.


In the third world they view the entire industry as exploiting. We should
be ashamed of ourselves bringing the pedicab back. It shows how morally
bankrupt the New Urbanism is.

In article k.net,
says...

In the third world they view the entire industry as exploiting. We should
be ashamed of ourselves bringing the pedicab back. It shows how morally
bankrupt the New Urbanism is.

Do you consider all manual labor morally inferior, or is there something
specific about bicycling that you dislike?

In India, the carpet-weaving industry is also often condemned, in this
case for exploiting child labor. That doesn't mean that we should also
condemn carpet manufacturing in countries that enforce reasonable labor
standards.

--
is Joshua Putnam
http://www.phred.org/~josh/
Updated Infrared Photography Gallery:
http://www.phred.org/~josh/photo/ir.html

wrote in message
.net...
In article k.net,
says...

In the third world they view the entire industry as exploiting. We
should
be ashamed of ourselves bringing the pedicab back. It shows how morally
bankrupt the New Urbanism is.

Do you consider all manual labor morally inferior, or is there something
specific about bicycling that you dislike?

In India, the carpet-weaving industry is also often condemned, in this
case for exploiting child labor. That doesn't mean that we should also
condemn carpet manufacturing in countries that enforce reasonable labor
standards.

Just wait till he gets rolling. He also things all farms should be big
agribusiness because his wife processed poultry to help support her family
as a child on her family's small farm. He may also obscurely fear that
pedicabs may lead to more horse drawn carriages. He has a phobia about
horses...

-Amy

In article .net,
"Claire Petersky" wrote:

So, next week I'm going to Olympia for work, that's 50 miles, and there' s
no decent public transport from here to there, so I'll be driving down the
5. But as it has been pointed out repeatedly, most people aren't going 50
miles, they're going 5. "Too far" is defined as a half mile, not five. The
five mile or less trips: - to the park and ride when I was too lazy to ride
my bike the whole way in to work, to the post office, to the drug store, to
religious services - I did these by bike or on foot.


It's interesting that I have never heard I-5 referred to as "the 5" until
the past 2-3 years or so. And I was born in Portland. Is this the way
people in the Seattle area refer to the interstate highways? Or just I-5?

While there is probably no decent public transportation for what you want
to do, at least Metro does operate the express bus service that operates
on I-5 between most of the major metropolitan centers in the Seattle
area. Here in Portland such bus lines do not exist, even though a
Portland-Salem service would probably be quite full in both directions.
The current Salem-Wilsonville service seems to be quite full, but
considering it doesn't serve Portland a major piece of the puzzle is
missing, but Seattle seems to have that much together at least.

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In article .net,
"george conklin" wrote:

Those of you who worship the past are in for a rude shock when the time
arrives when the human animal once again becomes a beast of burden. You are
betting that you will be able to hire someone else to do your work for you.


So, North Carolina still has Automat restaurants instead of hand-assembled
fast food?

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In article k.net,
says...

In the third world they view the entire industry as exploiting. We
should
be ashamed of ourselves bringing the pedicab back. It shows how morally
bankrupt the New Urbanism is.

Do you consider all manual labor morally inferior

Pedicabs are not manual labor. It is considered to be abusive labor.