Government Could Raise Speed Limit

On Mar 14, 4:06*pm, Judith wrote:
On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 08:32:33 -0700 (PDT), FrengaX wrote:

snip

Comnplely OT for a cycling newsgroup, especially as we're talking
motorways, where bicycles are not allowed.

So why the **** respond to another post in the same *thread three minutes later?

Simple. I forgot to remove the irrelevant newsgroup before submitting
the post.

On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:10:03 +0000, Rob Morley wrote:

On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:06:35 +0000
Judith wrote:

On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 08:32:33 -0700 (PDT), FrengaX
wrote:

snip


Comnplely OT for a cycling newsgroup, especially as we're talking
motorways, where bicycles are not allowed.


So why the **** respond to another post in the same thread three
minutes later?

What a ****** - you make Mason look bright.



I love the way you hate what all the cyclists have to say but feel
compelled to read it all anyway - it must make you really annoyed.


Hate it?

Wrong.

Laugh at it?

Yes.

On Mar 14, 4:44*pm, Jethro wrote:
On Mar 14, 2:05*pm, Nuxx Bar wrote:





Nice to have a halfway sensible Transport Secretary at last. *Oddly,
he seems to share with me and others the "delusion" that the anti-car
lobby use safety as an excuse to keep speed limits down.

Isn't it despicable to tell lies about road safety when it's literally
a matter of life and death? *How do such people sleep at night? *Well,
Guy?

http://www.businesscar.co.uk/story.a...orycode=7093&c...

Government could raise speed limit

11 March, 2011

Transport secretary Philip Hammond is considering raising the motorway
speed limit to 80mph in order to shorten journey times and boost the
economy.

Hammond claimed the anti-car lobby used road safety as an excuse both
to oppose raising the speed limit and to campaign for more 20mph zones
in cities and towns.

Despite Britain having some of the safest roads in Europe – and by far
the safest motorways – Hammond said safety alone should not determine
speed limits but that a cost benefit analysis should also be factored
in.

The government is also considering bringing in more variable motorway
speed limits, which fall when traffic is congested and rise when roads
are empty.

Although fuel consumption is up to 20% higher at 80mph than 70mph,
Hammond dismissed speculation that speed limits could actually be cut
to reduce consumption.

UK motorway speed limits are lower than in many other European
countries such as France, Italy, Spain and Ireland. Parts of the
German autobahn network are unrestricted with no speed limits.

There were 132 deaths on UK motorways in 2009.

Is it just me, or is this gesture politics of the cynical kind ?

Certainly in weekdays, most cars are going at least 80mph - most
faster. You get the odd car pootling at 70, but as a rule they don't
cause any delays.

Of course the real impact will be that the cars that currently feel
happy doing 80mph (the majority) will presumably feel just as happy
doing 90mph.

Do I take it we've solved peak oil then, if we can afford to fritter
away a finite resource so easily ?- Hide quoted text -

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Isn't time also a finite resource? Driving from London to Scotland
takes for ever driving at 70 mph.

Derek C wrote:

Isn't time also a finite resource? Driving from London to Scotland
takes for ever driving at 70 mph.

Takes a lot less time on the train at 125mph. Less time than it takes to
drive to Manchester. Plus you can read, snooze, watch a movie, eat or
whatever on the way rather than just sitting there holding a steering
wheel.

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Tony

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On 14/03/2011 21:48, Tony Raven wrote:
Derek C wrote:

Isn't time also a finite resource? Driving from London to Scotland
takes for ever driving at 70 mph.

Takes a lot less time on the train at 125mph. Less time than it takes to
drive to Manchester. Plus you can read, snooze, watch a movie, eat or
whatever on the way rather than just sitting there holding a steering
wheel.

Or you can book on the sleeper, which is actually rather civilised.

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On 14/03/2011 14:59, d wrote:
On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:52:29 -0000
wrote:
Gets my vote. Perhaps they should also introduce some compulsory motorway
training for drivers who have passed their driving test.

Hammond claimed the anti-car lobby used road safety as an excuse both
to oppose raising the speed limit and to campaign for more 20mph zones
in cities and towns.

20mph limits round schools also gets my vote.

Given the utter incompetant driving of some of the women dropping their kids
off in the morning I find I'm generally doing quite well if I can get anywhere
close to that speed around 9am in the vicinity of my local school.

"Incompetent driving"?

Nah - it's just an impromptu form of traffic calming, and good luck to 'em.

On 14/03/2011 21:48, Tony Raven wrote:

Derek wrote:

Isn't time also a finite resource? Driving from London to Scotland
takes for ever driving at 70 mph.

Takes a lot less time on the train at 125mph. Less time than it takes to
drive to Manchester. Plus you can read, snooze, watch a movie, eat or
whatever on the way rather than just sitting there holding a steering
wheel.

As you know only too well, only cyclists (who are apparently Considerably
Richer than Yow on average) can afford such an unjustifiable expense.

Especially seeing that it scales up 100% a time for incrementing the number
of passengers in the party.

JNugent wrote:
On 14/03/2011 21:48, Tony Raven wrote:

Derek wrote:

Isn't time also a finite resource? Driving from London to Scotland
takes for ever driving at 70 mph.

Takes a lot less time on the train at 125mph. Less time than it takes to
drive to Manchester. Plus you can read, snooze, watch a movie, eat or
whatever on the way rather than just sitting there holding a steering
wheel.

As you know only too well, only cyclists (who are apparently
Considerably Richer than Yow on average) can afford such an
unjustifiable expense.

Especially seeing that it scales up 100% a time for incrementing the
number of passengers in the party.

About £40-50 one way travelling next week which compares very favourably
with the costs of driving. The average car occupancy is not a lot more
than one so the circumstances where there are more in the party is rare.
But if there are, it doesn't scale up 100% a time because you can use
a Family and Friends railcard to get discounts for parties.

Tony

On 14/03/2011 23:46, Tony Raven wrote:

JNugent wrote:
On 14/03/2011 21:48, Tony Raven wrote:
Derek wrote:

Isn't time also a finite resource? Driving from London to Scotland
takes for ever driving at 70 mph.

Takes a lot less time on the train at 125mph. Less time than it takes to
drive to Manchester. Plus you can read, snooze, watch a movie, eat or
whatever on the way rather than just sitting there holding a steering
wheel.

As you know only too well, only cyclists (who are apparently Considerably
Richer than Yow on average) can afford such an unjustifiable expense.
Especially seeing that it scales up 100% a time for incrementing the number
of passengers in the party.

About £40-50 one way travelling next week which compares very favourably with
the costs of driving. The average car occupancy is not a lot more than one so
the circumstances where there are more in the party is rare. But if there
are, it doesn't scale up 100% a time because you can use a Family and Friends
railcard to get discounts for parties.

Why "nest week"?

What about tomorrow? Or better still, right now (0:10)?

The worst thing about all your stuff is that people like you really *believe*
it. Of course, on your planet, everyone knows everything and carefully plans
everything weeks in advance and takes the same sort of anal delight in the
study of railway timetables that you obviously do. They also don't have heavy
luggage to take and they definitely don't require the use of a car whilst at
the other end of their journey.

On Earth, though, life is more complicated than that.

How much would it cost me from London to Edinburgh tomorrow morning at around
09:00?

On 15/03/2011 00:10, JNugent wrote:
On 14/03/2011 23:46, Tony Raven wrote:

JNugent wrote:
On 14/03/2011 21:48, Tony Raven wrote:
Derek wrote:

Isn't time also a finite resource? Driving from London to Scotland
takes for ever driving at 70 mph.

Takes a lot less time on the train at 125mph. Less time than it takes to
drive to Manchester. Plus you can read, snooze, watch a movie, eat or
whatever on the way rather than just sitting there holding a steering
wheel.

As you know only too well, only cyclists (who are apparently Considerably
Richer than Yow on average) can afford such an unjustifiable expense.
Especially seeing that it scales up 100% a time for incrementing the number
of passengers in the party.

About £40-50 one way travelling next week which compares very favourably with
the costs of driving. The average car occupancy is not a lot more than one so
the circumstances where there are more in the party is rare. But if there
are, it doesn't scale up 100% a time because you can use a Family and Friends
railcard to get discounts for parties.

Why "nest week"?

What about tomorrow? Or better still, right now (0:10)?

The worst thing about all your stuff is that people like you really *believe*
it. Of course, on your planet, everyone knows everything and carefully plans
everything weeks in advance and takes the same sort of anal delight in the
study of railway timetables that you obviously do. They also don't have heavy
luggage to take and they definitely don't require the use of a car whilst at
the other end of their journey.

On Earth, though, life is more complicated than that.

How much would it cost me from London to Edinburgh tomorrow morning at around
09:00?

Don't trouble yourself; I've just checked at www.thetrainline.com

The cheapest one way ticket tomorrow morning at 09:00 is £146 (as I type).