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Does MUni impact the trail more than MTB?
harper;1167793 wrote: If staying on the trail applies to riding skinnies our group effort at etiquette leaves a great deal to be desired. That rule does not apply to urban Coker rides. -- john_childs john_childs (att) hotmail (dott) com Team Never Wash Your Muni 'My Gallery' (http://tinyurl.com/3d57bn) :: 'Unicycling Bookmark List' (http://backcountry.unicyclist.com/) :: 'World Clock' (http://tinyurl.com/2blym3) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ john_childs's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/449 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/75402 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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Does MUni impact the trail more than MTB?
The 1-axle thing might increase our theoretical damage, but I think the slower speed thing makes it actually much less. As others have mentioned, cycle damage to trails is often just a yelling point used by other groups who don't like mountain bikes on trails because they go so fast and can more easily run into hikers or spook horses. Since unis go slower, and more interesting to watch, I expect anti-cycle-folks shouldn't be as hostile towards us. -ro -- rolandisimo ------------------------------------------------------------------------ rolandisimo's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/13769 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/75402 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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Does MUni impact the trail more than MTB?
rolandisimo;1167929 wrote: Since unis go slower, and more interesting to watch, I expect anti-cycle-folks shouldn't be as hostile towards us. No one should be hostile toward us. We're better than other people. We're clowns. -- harper -Greg Harper *jc is the only main man. there can be no other.* "Natural logs are what you ride on a Mun'e'." - kevinalexandersmith ------------------------------------------------------------------------ harper's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/426 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/75402 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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Does MUni impact the trail more than MTB?
harper;1167585 wrote: Road damage is proportional to the 4th power of the axle load. A MUni has one axle, a bike has two. If the MUni and the bike weigh the same, and the riders weigh the same, the MUni will do 16 times the damage to the trail that the MTB does. Assuming that road damage is indeed a 4th power function ( care to explain why?) ...should that not therefore be 8 times the damage? Each MTB wheel causing 1/16th the damage? Nao. -- Naomi The dress in which I unicycled was not THAT short, but in retrospect, I think that maybe the blue one would have been more appropriate to the terrain. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Naomi's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/3322 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/75402 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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This kind of stuff is really interesting coming from over here in the UK. Most of our trails are just bridleways, originally old tracks for people to get places on horses, or walking. Because of them being for transport as well as just fun places to ride, it'd be ridiculous to close them in the wet (not to mention that not riding for 3 days after rain would mean not riding for 6 months of the year). Some trails aren't worth riding in the wet, because they get super muddy, but that's just a choice thing. Some trails get a bit damaged, and need to be fixed, but if they become not so fun, people just go ride somewhere else. Part of the thing is that because there's so many trails compared to many other countries (in England and Wales there's something like 40,000 miles of legally rideable trails, 140,000 miles of legally walkable but often rideable trails) that people are spread out a lot. The purpose built trails here are designed for all year riding, there's a lot of work into drainage. Interestingly, one of our local areas now has a designated 'casual riding area', in which making of random trails, riding off the trail etc. is officially allowed. It does change shape a bit every year, new trails appear, old ones disappear, but it doesn't seem to cause any problems, the undergrowth just grows back where the trails have gone out of use. Joe -- joemarshall ' old pics' (http://tinyurl.com/56yl2f) 'new zealand pics' (http://s119.photobucket.com/albums/o...rshall_photos/) 'new pics' (http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/joemarshall.org.uk) 'Where have I been riding? (GPS) ' (http://tinyurl.com/6fxw5x) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ joemarshall's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/1545 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/75402 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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Naomi;1168150 wrote: Assuming that road damage is indeed a 4th power function ( care to explain why?) No. But 'here is one of many' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_axle_weight_rating) references. ...should that not therefore be 8 times the damage? Each MTB wheel causing 1/16th the damage? Yes. My ability (or willingness) to divide by two has diminished with age. -- harper -Greg Harper *jc is the only main man. there can be no other.* "Natural logs are what you ride on a Mun'e'." - kevinalexandersmith ------------------------------------------------------------------------ harper's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/426 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/75402 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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Bondo;1167567 wrote: Does a Municycle have more or less impact on the trail than regular Mountain Bikes? For downhill I would think MUni does not skid as much so we are better for the trail in that regards. In tight turns/switchbacks though, the single point interface with the trail may mean you grind up a bit more dirt in tight jerky turns. The MTBers might flow through tight turns a little easier. I'm sure some areas of the country may not consider their impact on the trail as much. (Widening trails, double-tracking, shortcuts, deepening trails, erosion etc) Your thoughts? There are some excellent MTB trails about 5km's from my house, Tokai Forest, against the side of the Steenberg mountain in Cape Town. As it's so close I go there very often. Having spent the last year riding there, including through a very wet winter, I have noticed how dramatically trails can get damaged. In order of damage done: 1. Rain/water errosion 2. Horses 3. MTB'ers 4. MUni The first is a given especially when you have steep trails. We had a very wet winter for Cape Town and the damage on the trails by water could be seen weekly. I get so annoyed by the horse riders taking their horses down the single tracks completly ripping up the trails with a single horse doing more damage than 100 MTB's. I noticed this a lot during the winter months when the damage would be even greater due to the muddy/loose soil. The MTB'ers here also tend to take the easiest line, or rather making easier lines by just riding a new path on an existing trail, particularly around some drops and turns. I put it down to pure lazyness and an inability or unwillingness to actually ride the existing trail. This obviously causes more erosion during the wet months of the year. It seems that a large number of MTB'er do not care about the trails they ride on and have personally seen a number of them just locking up their rear wheels while going down some sections instead of riding them properly, going around obstacles rather than over them widening the trails. MUni would do damage to the trails but I believe that the damage is far less than an MTB. I also ride the trail and don't go bundu-bashing because I can and damage the areas around the trail. I ride the drops and whatever else is on the trail. I mean that is the point... isn't it ? I would actually like to get involved with the trail building and restoration in my area for 2 reasons. The first is because I ride the trails I would like to contribute to maintaining them. Secondly, some trail restoration that has taken place lately in Tokai Forest has really "dumbed down" some of the trails, making them much easier for the "everyday" MTB'er taking away some of the trails technical points which is a little frustrating. I believe that if you can't ride the trail... don't ... or at least practice so that you can. Don't "dumb-down" the trail because you're to lazy to increase your skill level. (rant over) -- JohnnyReggae "Take all your overgrown infants away somewhere And build them a home, a little place of their own. The Fletcher Memorial Home for Incurable Tyrants and Kings." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ JohnnyReggae's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/15061 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/75402 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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johnfoss;1167612 wrote: we definitely put more weight down per square inch of tire coverage. I would venture to say that our non-braking impact on the trail is perhaps a little larger than that of a bike, especially with our fat tires, that displace a lot of mud and leave wide indentations behind. I don't agree with that. My (fairly typical) xc mountain bike had 1.9" tyres running at about 40psi. My (fairly typical) muni has a 3" tyre running at 18psi. Although the muni tyre is carrying the entire weight of the cycle and rider on one tyre, a low pressure tyre with a big contact patch will put less weight per square inch of contact than the narrower, harder bike tyres. Also, the fact that you have to ride smoothly on a unicycle in order to keep balance I reckon means we probably do LESS damage than the average bike. But (apart from idiots locking back wheels all the time) a rolling wheeled machine does FAR less damage than a horse rider, who seem to think it's the cyclists that are the evil ones. Rob -- rob.northcott ------------------------------------------------------------------------ rob.northcott's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/7436 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/75402 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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It is counter-productive to blame one type of trail user for damage more than any other. Quantification attempts in this context, like harper, are silly. Use it? Help maintain it. -- entropy Shut up and ride. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ entropy's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/5816 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/75402 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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entropy;1168806 wrote: It is counter-productive to blame one type of trail user for damage more than any other. My post wasn't really intended to point blame, although it did come across that way (horse riders are given a pretty free rein round here, while cycle-legal trails are becoming more and more limited due to perceived damage caused, which annoys me). entropy;1168806 wrote: Use it? Help maintain it. Absolutely. -- rob.northcott ------------------------------------------------------------------------ rob.northcott's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/7436 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/75402 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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